News Human Rights For Sex Offenders

[jimmy-joe]

I don't mean to be callous, but why is it that people are allowed to beat/rape/steal/kill/burn innocent children and other victims, but then all they get is a slap on the hand and sent to prison(just because pedos get killed in prison doesn't mean they all get it, I mean check out how they're protecting the mass murderer who just shot 60+ people, killing 12 of them.... WHILE THEY WERE WATCHING A MOVIE?!?!?!

I'm all for rehabilitation and such, but the person with the "illness"(aka the pervert) needs to seek help... Unless they are doing it their sleep, then help needs to be forced on them.

It's an extremely sad state of affairs when we, as a society, protect those who plunder and pillage our children, family and homes.

Why would anyone want to protect them? If they cared, if they REALLY CARED, they would make up some story, or better yet, just not tell anyone what they've done, go, get help, and do the best they could to make amends, to spread good in the world to make up for the evil they put out.

But no, someone who kills someone in a drug deal because it was their first time and they got nervous, could go on to become a doctor and save all kinds of lives(saw this in a movie, so not quoting anything, but it IS possible), could then be put in jail, taken out of the area where they are doing much good, for one single crime they did years before, and could get put away for 20+ years.

Now, we have child molesters and rapists and murderers who just keep on keepin on with their perverted little lives, laughing at the general weakness of society, who get out and violate again and again, with little more than a slap on the hand and a stay in the warm/fed joint. Where, assuming they keep quiet, they can just bulk up for the next victim...

Seriously, that actually disgusts me lol. We protect murderers and rapists? For some stupid notion of "morality"?

COME-ON!!!! IF THEY REALLY COULDN'T CONTROL IT, BUT REALLY CARED, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE KILLED.

We need to stop protecting those who harm us. It's one thing if they change they're ways(even that's a bit iffy in cases like parents abusing their children, considering the situation...), but to protect them?

How many more innocents need to die/be wounded and have their aggressors protected before people get this through their heads?

I read a while ago that Greece is/was considering giving pedophiles a government aid check...

WHAT?!?!?!??!?! WHAT?!??!?!?! WHAT?!??!?!?!?!?!1

REVOLTING.

Something needs to change... We don't need to ease up in the hopes that the "good spirit" of rapists/child abusers/murderers will be allowed to grow... Illegals are being treated in our hospitals(outside of the crime-related situations, I have no issue with that), how is it that these "wounded/sick animals" can't manage to mosey on into one? They don't have to tell the truth, they've most likely already learned how to lie. They won't have to pay for it for a long time.

STOP CODDLING THEM. It's so retarded that we have potheads getting in more trouble than these scum. Like seriously. I personally go from 0-100% "I want to tear you apart and laugh as I do it" anger in an instant, yet I would kill myself if I ever violated/harmed anyone other than said scum.

P.S. I also heard a good idea on the radio, for non-violent offenders, make them do chaingangs to clean up all the litter and crap, so you can leave the full-time prisons to the violent ones and have more guards there etc(Idk how the system works, but I figure it's a good locale to find manual labor with all the non-violent ones)

P.P.S. OK check this out, we protect the human equivalent of cancer/virus/disease, yet we are putting so much money and effort into eradicating these things? Why do we care at that point? We protect our far more painful diseases... (some might argue, but what would you prefer? to be tortured and killed? to be tortured and have to deal with that the rest of your life? or to get sick and either live or die, but if you live, it gives you, many times, a renewed sense of hope... You just survived cancer!)

P.P.P.S. And some people may say, "oh well you don't know how hard it is to resist", to that I say... I got beat/brainwashed almost every day of my childhood, molested throughout, and raped for part of it. All by one person who controlled EVERYTHING about my life, in fact still has quite a bit of control. After he slowed down due to heart issues(or getting prepped for the next phase lol), when there would be no bruises/proof I got sent to treatment, so basically just cementing that I'm all sorts of f*cked up, and now I'm living in the life that I WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO LIVE. That's all that kept me sane growing up, the comfort of knowing I would die before I became an adult. It's been four years, the last 3 of them mostly shitty. I've never felt love, I've never felt like I belonged, I've always been the demon staring out at everyone from behind the glass... AND YET

When pretty much ALL I've known is boredom followed by terror followed by rejection followed by boredom followed by terror followed by rejection followed by boredom followed by terror followed by boredom, I have some serious OCD PTSD ODD BPD DID Bipolar, blah blah blah, and YET, the one time I ever came close to giving in, I stopped myself. ONE TIME. So I'm kinda a small sliver of proof that it IS possible to control it, WITHOUT MEDICINE, WITHOUT SUPPORT, WITHOUT THE WILL TO LIVE... Merely through force of will lol. But then again, I've also been kept almost completely separate from the world, so I don't know, maybe will is something that you are born with, not something you build.

Thank you, goodnight spaghetti, lasagna-ricotta cheese, calzone - ricotta cheese, all ricotta and cottage cheese should be burned. It's terrifying, and not like normal, legit cheese. It also tastes like wet paper. YUCK. I'd rather eat steamed spinach, barely, but still.

 

[unvrsplysfvrts]

As a pacifist, I'm pretty adamant about being anti-death penalty. That doesn't mean that I don't think they deserve it, per say, but I also feel that it isn't my place to judge whether a person lives or dies. The only exception for this would be if I were in a situation where it was my life or another person's. Obviuosly my self-preservation instinct would kick in.

I'd probably be more traumatized after the fact, but that's the only way I could decide whether someone lived or died.

But I agree with you completely, Jimmy, in regards to other parts of the matter. I don't think they should be allowed special treatment other than to simply opt out of activities.

Also, seeing as American prisoners have a higher quality of life than I do, it really pisses me off that they would even have the gall to ask for more privilege. They made their decisions, they should suffer the consequences.

I also feel the need to point out that even though their crimes were exposed in a court of law, every last one of my abusers is walking free. For the exception of my mother who is now dead. But that's a whole different subject in regards to the morbidly skewed American justice system.

Suffice to say, I think it is ludicrous to give special treatment to people who have performed violent or abusive acts toward others. Double standard much?

 

[Deleted member 1860]

Sorry, freakO, you contradict yourself when you say we have a right to lock up sex offenders but we don't have a right to punish them.

Last time I checked, prison IS punishment.

TBH I skipped over everything else you said as you lost total cred with me.

 

[jimmy-joe]

Last time I checked, prison IS punishment.

TBH I skipped over everything else you said as you lost total cred with me.

Would you rather be fed and housed and kept warm and allowed to exercise, or be raped/robbed/murdered/tortured?

Whoops I realize I should clarify that since it looks like a threat* I was just comparing experiences on either side of the conflict violent criminal(I know this thread is just about sex offenders, but the topic easily extends further) vs. victim.

Who do you think gets the shorter end of the stick? The victim? Or the perp now safely tucked away awaiting their next chance to violate? (obviously some people do change in prison, but let's be honest... how reliable is that rate?!?!)

P.S. Also I skimmed most of the thread as usual, so I'm not sure what the conversation I just hopped into was, but hey, there's my 2 cents!!!!!

 

[Loveneverfails]

I agree 100% with Maddog, it's hard to have 'sympathy' for a person who causes that kind of long term damage to a child and then tries to argue their right for anything above a cell. We ARE giving them the right, the right to live. They get to remain standing, breathing, eating human beings. It's hard to believe they deserve to (or care if) get anything above a meal, a small cell and the occasional turn about the prison yard. Too many of them think too highly of their 'rights' in the first place. When you commit a crime, you give up your rights to comfort. When you molest or harm a child, you give up the option to certain luxuries like tv or gym exercise. It is indeed a sort of street justice that the other criminals are more than willing to see to it those same luxuries are lost. When we seek out human rights, we have to remind ourselves, just as Hashi said, what those particular rights are- and what are in actuality, priveliges.

 

[freakofnurture]

And if they really felt that bad about it, and really couldn't control it, (…), then they would probably thank someone for killing them to free them from the pain.

I know I feel that way, lol and I haven't even given in to them.

And you are the single most perfect model of how every human works; is that what you are trying to say?

However, I think making excuses for them to get special treatment, or to not be punished for their actions is making excuses.

Human rights are not special treatment and punishment does accomplish absolutely nothing outside of quenching society's primeval thirst for vengeance.

Also, if you really think about it, being a pedophile is its own punishment already. Realising that you have disgusting urges, fighting them, losing the fight still conscious of the fact that the urges are taking over your thinking, your emotions, losing control to the illness, intense inner conflicts, fear, horror, having lost most of what you once were to the illness, knowing that you are part of the most dispised, hated demographic in all of western society, constantly hiding, knowing that you'll lose absolutely everything you ever had when you're found out…

It's full blown, 24/7 psychological torture and it doesn't even cost the taxpayer a single cent.

etc make the conscious decision to act upon their impulses-knowing that it is wrong.

If only human psychology were that simple.

But I feel that these people should absolutely be punished.

And what punishment outside of jail are you envisioning? Because no one here is disagreeing about the fact that these dangerous people need to go to prison and stay there at least until they are no longer dangerous.

Murder and rape can be justified by mental illness, too.

No. Murder and rape can be explained by mental illness but never ever justified by anything; not even by the victim being a disgusting amoral child murdering rapist.

If this is the case, why do pedophiles deserve the special treatment and the other prisoners don't?

They aren't getting special treatment, they are merely protected from excessive abuse.

Especially when almost none of them show or offer any kind of remorse.

Their lack of initial remorse is a symptom of their mental disease.

In my opinion, if I make the decision to do something wrong, I should suffer the consequences. Why are they any different?

They aren't, and they are suffering the consequences by being in jail.

I think they should have the right to not exercise, but I don't think they should get special treatment.

And forcing them to confining themselves to their cells even during exercise time in order to be safe is not special treatment (in a negative was)?

When you have a number of guards supervising this special group with their special requests, there are less guards to supervise and keep the peace between the more violent offenders.

Then employ more guards. And if there's not enough money for that, reform the prison system, reform the legal system so that people don't go to prison for the pettiest little shitcrimes anymore.

It's an extremely sad state of affairs when we, as a society, protect those who plunder and pillage our children, family and homes.

So let's become just like the pillagers and go berserk on their asses? Because stooping to the low low level of your enemies is the only civil thing to do.

Why would anyone want to protect them?

Because they are human beings.

IF THEY REALLY COULDN'T CONTROL IT, BUT REALLY CARED, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE KILLED.

Your caps-lock is on.

Last time I checked, prison IS punishment.

And it shouldn't be. The purpose of prison should be to keep dangerous people out of society and give them the therapeutic interventions that they need in order to overcome the problems and illnesses that cause them to be dangerous. Prison should be an institution that fixes broken people so that they can go back to being a useful part of society. Just like a repair station for robots.

 

[freakofnurture]

@jimmy-joe: Since the edit period for my post is over, I add here what I forgot:

Big kudos to you for being so willing to sacrifice your own life for the benefit of others. But we cannot demand that from other people. We can only demand that they seek help before they act on their diseased impulses.

What I think about the situation concerning help and therapy for pedophiles I have already stated in detail in an earlier post, so look it up if you wonder about that.



Other than that I just want to say: I'm out of here. I said everything I have to say about the topic, clearly, directly and in detail. I'm a humanist, not a pedo-friendly pervert cuddler. If you don't understand the difference I really can't help you.

 

[jimmy-joe]

And you are the single most perfect model of how every human works; is that what you are trying to say?

Actually what I'm trying to say is that I'm a pretty good example of a psychopath, and I think it's unfair that while I control myself and try to make a decent impact on the world, other people get to run around, often with far less in the way of trauma than me, with this "illness" and because other people, who apparently have forgotten or never knew what it felt like to be abused/raped as a child, are willing to protect these freaks, yet not their victims.

May I ask you this? Why is it that someone can kill someone else and live? Why did the victim have to die? There are a lot of repeat offenders, whom, if killed after their first one or two victims, would not have killed anyone else.

But because people want to pretend like it's moral to protect the vile strong and ignore the innocent weak, these rapists and sadists and murderers get to stay alive, while innocent children and women and men get harmed, in the name of "humanity."

That's really sad that you can think you are doing a good thing by protecting them. And speaking from the experience of someone who has had to master those same urges, yes if they feel guilty about it and cannot stop, kill them. it's what they want. they can't stop, they don't want to do it, going to therapy and doing worksheets is not going to change that. kill them, set them free.

Seriously, it is a sad state of affairs when people are allowed to get away with murder/rape/torture.

Your black-and-white thinking about the "rights" of humans(just fyi, there are no true rights, the only right there is is the right to fight for survival.), is in fact, contributing to the ability of these criminals to get away with more.

They are laughing at your weakness.

I don't get what is so hard to understand about that? If you thought about life, you would realize that A) it's pretty much scientifically proven that you either can't, or in very few circumstances, destroy or create energy. IT just goes somewhere else, B) just like in the atom, there's a balance of energy, positive, neutral, negative. When there is an imbalance, it becomes radioactive(for neutrons anyway, an ion if the extra particles are charged), both of these can kill us. This is repeated throughout life. Laugh all you want, lol, I'll be laughing harder when you finally realize it.

This last paragraph is important, because it means that, since we do not live forever, our balance is constantly shifting, when you let these people out, and they keep offending, they are adding more negative shit to humanity, which then spreads out. Just look at all the corruption, just look at how many people get raped, abused, killed. Just take a step back and think about it.

Is it better to avoid blemishing your own so-called goodness? Or is it better to try to keep the balance? To snip negative influences off where you can? Is it better to protect the future victim? Or to protect the perpetrator?

How many children have to die before people realize that this notion of "morality" is just making it easier for the criminals to get what they want?

Seriously, this isn't about vengeance(yes, personally I'd enjoy avenging them) it's about protecting innocent people.

Why do you want to give more privileges to those who break the rules, and leave those who don't to fend for themselves? Or to depend upon the oh-so-never-possibly-corrupt government?

If you were interested in the welfare of humanity, you would see the detriment these criminals have on it. You would see how we could avoid many deaths by snipping the weeds out when we find them, as opposed to letting them take over the yard, "because they have rights too".

What happened to the victim's rights?

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to stand idly by.

P.S. you do realize that the vast majority of this scum goes for the weakest target they can find. Why do you want to protect them?!?!?! Aren't you afraid for your children?!?!? Your life?!?!?! Why protect the people who enjoy stealing that from you?!?!?!?

P.P.S. Oh yes, and then, by their very own definition, they aren't humans... they are animals, hunters... So that's really Humanist to protect animals.

So let's become just like the pillagers and go berserk on their asses? Because stooping to the low low level of your enemies is the only civil thing to do.

I'm sorry, but getting the electric chair, or the firing squad, or the poison, is far more humane than what these perverts do to their victims. So no, it is not stooping to their level, I'm sorry you can't tell the difference.

 

[unvrsplysfvrts]

Freakofnurture, whether you reply or not, I stand by my statement. But just for clarification, after having my post entirely picked apart, I'll itemize my responses to your questions.

I don't know what it's like to be a pedophile. I'm not sexually attracted to children and I don't have impulses like that in any way, so no, I can not imagine what sort of torture you assume this problem is. Also, I don't feel that I could just take the word on a pedophile describing it as torture because pedophilia also comes with pathological lying. I CAN say, however, that only one of my attackers has ever shown remorse, and even that didn't come in the way of an apology, but by overcompensating by being especially nice to me and never being inappropriate again. I haven't finished my story in the diaries section yet, but before the age of ten, I was repeatedly attacked by multiple people. It didn't seem to bother them in the least. I think your assumption that they are under 24/7 torture is subjective at best.

On rehabilitation-many sex offenders and pedophiles can be rehabilitated if they so choose. Many of them, obviously the repeat offenders, do not follow the guidelines. They don't like taking the medication prescribed them because, well, becoming aroused isn't something they can be anymore. They MAKE the choice to go off their meds. This is almost immediately followed by the CHOICE to attack another person or child. So there are two choices that lead to them acting on their compulsions.

On punishment-you said they shouldn't be punished, but jail IS punishment. I'm not saying turn them loose in the streets to be beaten down. I'm saying they have performed vile acts against the most innocent in our society and that doesn't warrant special favors.

They should definitely be allowed to be grouped together in a cell block away from other offenders as a form of punishment. This doesn't cost extra tax dollars. As most prisons have multiple meal schedules, I see no problem with one of them just being for sex offenders. That doesn't change taxes. But charging tax dollars to build a special wing for them to have their half hour of activity? I think not. That's expensive, not to mention showing favor to what is probably the most horrifying group of criminals that exist. Splitting the guard staff in half or having to pay more taxes to hire more guards just so they can go outside and play? I don't think so. That's also expensive and showing favoritism.

I'm not talking about removing their basic human rights-shelter, clothing, food-but they don't have the right to ask us for more than that when they have attacked the most vulnerable of our citizens. I think in granting special privilege to the offenders, your negating the torture of the people who have been attacked by them. I am often seething with anger that these people have done such awful things to children and live better than I do-a victim of these kinds of attacks. It infuriates me that the taxes I earn when I do manage to keep a job go to their cable internet or their college degrees, while I can't afford to have either of these things. They get three meals a day while I'm rolling change to go buy ramen. I don't think enough is being done to care for the victims.

On rape and murder-there are disorders (whether the offender is a victim of them or not) which have PRIMARY symptoms as violent acts toward others or compulsions to perform these acts against others. So yes, actually, rapists and murderers can and have gotten away with, or had more lenient punishments, by reason of temporary or other insanity.

On confinement to their cells- the damage their attacks have had on the victims cause many of us to have severe social problems. i am often confined to wherever I happen to be staying(currently homeless) because of my fear of social situations. I don't feel any kind of guilt at the suggestion that they are confined to a room for whatever length of time. At least most of them have cell mates to keep them company.

I say, yes, protect them from harm, but don't charge me more money or give them special gifts in doing so. That's like a slap in the face to the people who have been hurt by this kind of abuse.

 

[anthony]

I think sex offenders should be all placed in a big cell together, then let loose to offend one another for the rest of their lives.

Child sex offenders (males and females) should be put in cells with the biggest, toughest, anti-childhood sexual offenders possible, and see if they ever choose such an act again... if they live that is.

 

[Deleted member 12723]

Bravo Anthony. Thank you, well done. I applaud you. I couldn't have said it better. My sentiments exactly. The damage they do is infinite.

 

[piratelady]

I agree with Anthony. I know of a child molester who was finally caught and put in jail. I am told he is kept isolated from the other prisoners so he can be kept safe. It's ridiculous that extra precautions are taken to protect him after the horrible things he did. I say put him with everyone else and let the chips fall where they may. If he is harmed in prison, then he can experience at least a small piece of the pain he caused to the girl he hurt.