News Another Shooting In The Us

[catjudo]

I haven't read all of the most recent posts in this thread...this latest event is more than I can really handle thinking about at the moment. It is devastating and scary. I am the mom of a 7-year-old who attends a public elementary school in an area that is considered affluent and safe. Geographically we may not live close to this event, but it really has hit close to home for me and I have cried more than a little.

I did see some posts where people were talking about schools needing better security. It would seem that is not enough. If the reports that I have heard so far are correct, that school had a far better security system in place than any other public elementary school that I know. I've always thought my daughter's school was reasonably secure, but the security system at the school in Connecticut makes the security system at my daughter's school seem like a joke.

If you have bad people or sick people who are determined to hurt others, sadly a security system is not going to stop it from happening.

 

[Whitneys story]

Inordinate is right, most gun owners have not gone through proper courses of ownership! No one should have a gun that has not.

It has nothing to do with target shooting! JMHO

 

[Queen Boudica]

It is all about no one having moral values, and letting evil fill their lives. It is morally decadent and corrupt here, evil is prevalent everywhere. People have turned their back on God.

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Triggered. This is the sort of justification my mother would use to be violent and abusive. Everyone is Evil and has abandoned God. Really? Ughhh

 

[Ayasha]

It is all about no one having moral values, and letting evil fill their lives.

There is evil in this world, yes, but not all Americans have lost their morality. I'm from the US and I'm appalled by what happened in that school, just as millions of other people are. It's horrible, what happened to those teachers and children, and I hope so much that such a terrible event never happens again.

 

[Innordinate]

moral values, and letting evil fill their lives

What about the teacher that hid all of her grade 1 kids in the closets and cupboards and when the shooter entered her classroom, she told him the kids were in the gym? She died to save her class.

That was definitely not lacking in morals.

And the first responders? And everyone on here praying for the families?

Check out an article called - I am Adam Lanza's mother. It's worth the read.

 

[Loveneverfails]

Check out an article called - I am Adam Lanza's mother. It's worth the read.

I am the adoptive mother of a young girl with sensory and mood instabilities that will be diagnosed later as a mental illness(now undiagnosed because she's so young and not severe enough for the rare early diagnosing) and I can tell you that article is spot on. One of my foster parents also adopted a child with severe mental issues and I witnessed first hand similar behavior to what that mother described.That article needs to be highlighted everywhere and on every news network in my opinion.

There is a stigma even I played into and catch myself on repeatedly with mental illness in this country. We're preconditioned to treat them like outcasts, to ignore mental illness as a reality entirely. We call the parents of these children flawed, abusive and neglectful and don't fully realize what they're struggling with is real. I say that both as an observer and from first hand experience. It must change.

 

[ms spock]

The US isn't the UK or Australia, stricter gun laws are a possibility(one I agree needs to happen) but disarming the populace altogether will not happen any time soon.

This may be true, but getting rid of the assault weapons means that 20 little children aren't mown down.

If we take guns away there will still be violence.

This is true. But limiting as least the assault weapons might stop the little children being mown down. Something worth considering.

 

[Loveneverfails]

This is true. But limiting as least the assault weapons might stop the little children being mown down. Something worth considering.

Removing weapons is always worth considering, no matter who is being killed, I agree completely. But knowing my countrymen as I do, living in a 'red' state, as I do- I know a dream when I see one. Maybe one day we will disarm and I would be overjoyed to see it, I hate guns personally, I think they're a cowards weapon. But I also understand it won't happen any time soon, it isn't a realistic dream...yet.

I do want to stress again however that there are other factors in the violent crime debate rather than just the weapon of choice. If you remember the Columbine shooters also had pipe bombs, abortion clinics have been bombed, the Oklahoma City bombing had a daycare in the building at the time of the explosion. Mentally disturbed individuals will find a way to make maximum damage with or without firearms. That too is something worth considering.

This wasn't an ordinary man who snapped one day, this took premeditation, a downward spiral into psychosis if he wasn't already deeply entrenched in it to begin with. The fact that the only teachers gunned down were women and the children targeted were young like his Mother's students speaks of another troubling factor that will likely be addressed in the coming months. This wasn't just a gun crime, there is more to it than that. Focusing solely on how he did it is like treating a psychiatric patient for their symptoms alone without ever searching for a cause or diagnosis.

Anyway, I think I'll excuse myself from this thread for a while. I feel oddly like somehow this is dishonoring the families of the victims though I'm not sure why. Thanks for the civil and forthright discussion from everyone I've spoken with. It's nice to speak with others about troubling and differing opinions without it coming to an argument.

 

[ms spock]

Removing weapons is always worth considering, no matter who is being killed, I agree completely. But knowing my countrymen as I do, living in a 'red' state, as I do- I know a dream when I see one. Maybe one day we will disarm and I would be overjoyed to see it, I hate guns personally, I think they're a cowards weapon. But I also understand it won't happen any time soon, it isn't a realistic dream...yet.

I respect your opinion. You have on the ground knowledge that I don't. It might well require intergenerational social change, education and creating a feeling of safety for people.

It's nice to speak with others about troubling and differing opinions without it coming to an argument.

It is - isn't it? I almost didn't post in this thread, but it has been a positive experience.

 

[ms spock]

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I do want to stress again however that there are other factors in the violent crime debate rather than just the weapon of choice. If you remember the Columbine shooters also had pipe bombs, abortion clinics have been bombed, the Oklahoma City bombing had a daycare in the building at the time of the explosion. Mentally disturbed individuals will find a way to make maximum damage with or without firearms. That too is something worth considering.

They don't seem to do that in Australia - so perhaps that is part of the culture of fear in the media?

 

[anni]

Oh, it's a vast country, Ms. Spock with vast social problems, tough to always pin down. This one? Tentacles deep and entrenched all the heck all over the place, in pockets of ugly we have to look at now somehow without flinching. I think we will. It's part of our country's inate ability to find a fresh, clear spring from which to re-route the drinking water when it's become too stinking to be palatable any more.

America has much, much good here despite this awfulness- one man did this, millions spring from obscurity to help these bereft people pray, stand with them in the horror. Stripped of the rest of the conversations, it's where we are at the moment, and in deep mourning for some of our citizens.

 

[Innordinate]

I think the entire developed world mourns with you. This event seems so much more tragic than any other because of the age of the victims involved and the senselessness of it, and probably also, how close to Christmas it occurred.