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Any Practical Suggestions? Work, Exhaustion, Spontaneous Si, At The End Of My Rope

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Oh hee SG, you're funny. It will be ok, it's coming around. I have to understand more (better), not be a target, keep learning how to respond differently.

If it's ok I'll stick around to learn some self-validation techniques. :)

Oh yes, I know opinions aren't always going to be accepted, or I will offend without meaning to. More concern that I haven't burnt out or harmed my sister or when I've been helped. I hear so many people (here) say they've wasted their time or worse really regret all of it, it's hurt them. As I said, if it's even half as bad for others as it feels for me, it's more than twice what anyone could or should bear!

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Any trust is gone, however. It was just misplaced though. I was wrong to trust. Who's fault is that? Well, of course only my own.

In my opinion your not wrong to trust. I'm sorry that you trusted the wrong person but that is not entirely your fault. Some people are so good at deception that it is impossible for loving and caring people like you and I to see what they truly are. People that pray on people like us are the ones that deserve the fault. As you can probably tell I have trusted people I shouldn't have also.

I have been unloved, or 'unlovable', since birth, and have never experienced something different. Evidently, the fault is mine, as everyone else can't be wrong. I find the frustration is in someone telling me how different it is, or will be. No, it hasn't, and it won't. I can't wait til it's over, frankly, and I somewhat resent people who say that's 'wrong', in that they don't walk in my shoes. I don't think they would walk in my shoes for long without taking that action. Not sure what I did, but must have been born very defective, without hope for change. It's not a 'mood', it's the reality.

I too was born unlovable. I was born breech and the Dr dislocated my hip at birth but it wasn't detected until I started walking. Then I was in the hospital with surgeries and traction and cost my parents so much money and incovinience that they never recovered. They made me feel like I was the reason from all their problems.

I have struggled with this for years. But I ask you..... could you ever see a new born baby as unlovable or can you see that the parents have the problem. I wonder if you are just listening to what you were brought up to believe and maybe it's time to start challenging these ideas. Easier said then done I know but your worth the effort.

There are many people on this forum who see a beautiful side of you. Can we ALL be wrong?
 
the self-care seems undeserved,

This is very common for people with PTSD. I struggle with this also. Why do you feel you are undeserving of self-care?

Lately I have been trying to put myself in someone elses shoes. For example, when I think I don't deserve a break because I am not working full time etc, I ask myself, if I had a friend with 4 children, 1 adjusting to college, 2 with special needs and the youngest struggling with other issues as well as PTSD herself, would she deserve a break or some pampering.

It's funny because if I ask myself if I deserve a break I come up with a million reason's why not but if I think of a friend having all this to deal with then I definately think she would deserve a break.

Is there a chance you are harder on yourself then on others like I am?
 
Relationship building is difficult for anyone where there has been past hurts. I think you have to keep in mind that we are talking most people where the whole family (even past generation) has been abusive and dysfunctional. That comes with a lot of challenges that families that only has one family member with an issue due to alcoholism or drug addiction for example.

Most of us here have failed relationships since birth into an unhealthy family. And to try to communicate properly while we are still trying to sort ourselves out?!! Imagine what kind of reality show that would look like??!!

Yes Junebug, self validation is important. You need to know that you know that you know. You need to believe in yourself. Break the programming of self doubt and fear that has been written. :)
 
Dear Nimkekaa and Sailorgal, thank you so much for your kindness. :hug: :hug:

Oh Nimkekaa, not only were you lovable (and are), but I've also heard that children who need the most tender care, are the most special. Not only am I horrified by the burden or blame that you never, ever deserved that your parents placed on you, but yes I agree entirely- you only should have recieved only copius quanties of love. I am so sorry for what you so truly should have never had to endure. :( And not only would I cut yourself the slack (for self-care and otherwise) for all you are doing, but I so also agree. I heard a few days ago someone criticizing someone off ill, and it made me so angry. They never miss a day and have to recover- it's the only thing anyone sane would think of doing (of course, except for as regards myself). It helped a lot to realize that much.

Oh my gosh, yes I've trusted the untrustworthy. Oddly enough, that comes with less hesitation (or less fore-warning that they are untrustworthy), than those that are trustworthy. :(

You sound like a most wonderful mom. :) :inlove:

Dear Sailorgal, thank you for your words of wisdom, too. Yes, it's been generation(s) of stopping abuse or of different 'recoveries'. I don't believe in myself, but I think there's even a happy medium, or a lack of (self)-abuse. It's a start, anyway.

It is very late- I don't have the words I wish, but your posts help me a lot. And dove-tail with what I was thinking of today. I don't want to be a person who uses any one else, or any reason, as an excuse or justification for what I fail at myself. I can think of even close calls (physical health ones of my own), when I think of surviving them, or during them, I didn't think of large regrets, but small things, the 'now'. Though I certainly don't mean (equally) in any way invalidating common sense, respect, boundaries, self-care etc. It requires the opposite, but with a bigger perspective. [In fact, I actually ate 2 nights in a row healthy meals (veggies included, lol) ]. For example, the last couple of days it felt like Christmas was just coming. But then I thought, hey- our tree is up and beautiful, there's still music on the tv, and even heard a couple of Christmas tunes I love today, and then again the same one from a car while I was waiting at a bus stop (thought I was going nuts, lol). Funny thing is, I know it's not 'so' (Christmas), but in another sense- why not? Every day 'is', in a way. I don't care what anyone else thinks of me. And, turns out, just heard it's Ukranian Christmas Eve. I'm not Ukranian, but maybe 'honorary', today. :)

It's strange, my parents were loving in so many ways. Perhaps it was 'myself', in that with so many difficulties going on, what parents aren't "relieved" to have a kid who is sort of silent as to needs or wants, and self-sufficient? But just in the last maybe 2 years, I realize no 'child' actually 'is' (or shouldn't be). I remember having an ulcer by 5, that made me think what 5 year old gets ulcers (and says nothing, too?) Yikes.

Even now, I think I've found out how to fix some of the stuff (physical) getting to me, seems it's (normally) characteristic of a suppressed immune system. But, stress and stuff, guess that's the culprit. I have to learn how to not add stress on to myself, as well as not adding it on to others.

It's strange, because only up to a few years ago, none of these things ever crossed my mind. I never gave it a thought (or wasn't even aware), of things like lack of self-care, acknowledging pain, asking for help being 'ok' (healthier sometimes than not). Then, and even now, I can't really say "why" those things never occurred to me. Except at some level I can think I don't 'deserve' it (go figure :rolleyes: ).

I really appreciate the kindness and help and wisdom you've all given. I'm going to try (and am trying) to get a grasp on this stuff. :) You are all so loving, kind and sweet people. (And thank you Nimkekaa, think you have many beautiful sides- obviously. :) )

Sweet dreams for now, xox :hug: .
 
I'm not sure what to say, much has happened. But felt I should say something, as everyone has been so kind.

I asked a friend of mine who's helped me so much, to tell me the truth if he regretted it. He said no, it's always worth it to help someone. [ But I said, perhaps he (is) a bit 'crazy'?.. ] But he said no, "NO REGRETS". I think it is true, because he thought about it, and I think would say the truth. I hope so.

Which made me think, because he has got the worst, that maybe I was less 'regrettable' in the past, than I thought? .. Because I never 'melted-down' (that people knew of- I mean I did but they didn't know, mostly. Because they were abusive, or what have you, I couldn't let it show. Except for my poor mom, I guess, she saw much of it. Because I wasn't afraid of her or her reaction.)

And I realize, I've always thought "I must be crazy" (because of what I did after this all started 30 years ago. Though it was textbook coping when it comes to ptsd.)

But then I thought.. "PTSD".. I've been in a lot of denial. No offense to anyone here- God knows- but I don't like/ want to believe it really is so. It's scary to think it. Oye.

Truth be said, and again, I apologize from my heart-of-hearts because I don't mean it offensively, I'm afraid I'll end up like the people who are struggling the most here. (Though of course, more often-than-not, that has been 'me'. :rolleyes: )

And I thought that sometimes even the 'wrong' (and yet 'right') reason is enough. For example, I felt lousy I left my friend knowing about the SI, so promised I wouldn't. Not really for my sake.

And I thought as regards past traumas, it's the 'details' which get me. The graphic ones. :( And that interpersonal traumas, leave fear 'I' will cause damage to people, interpersonally. Naturally-occurring traumas, leave fear anything (bad) could happen at any time.

But (and) also, if my behaviour- even this bad (plus the SI, etc etc), was not regrettable, then all of the 'triumphs' through it- so to speak- can be thought of as 'all good'. :) Not to be concentrated on at all (the negatives), but just happy. The "wow- hey...yay!", factor. :)

And yes SG, I will be getting fat! Hee. :) It's strange, I can't say, for example, I'm thinking "I should eat", it's just there's an absence of a thought (or 'feeling'/ belief/ judgment), that I "shouldn't", if that makes sense? Not that I consciously think not to, but even if I forget to, when I remember I choose not to. It's a self-condemning thing, I think.

I think the combination of all 'stuff', beyond losses, can leave people broken-hearted. It's like you give up but it's not conscious. Like no appetite etc.

I think I do condemn myself for some things. And maybe when my dad died, not speaking up what the 'nurse' did. I mean, after 12+ years working palliative care, and at least a dozen relatives' deaths since then, no one goes 'like that' (naturally). Not that I've seen, anyway.

Which makes me think like other things/ times, I haven't spoken up. But even when it came to a loved one's life, (or saving it). :(

And yet, my friend said I have a good heart. Though I think that part is because his heart is good so he sees others as having good ones.

((((((((Hugs to all))))))))))) and thank you :hug:.
 
I meant to say, can you say what you are anxious about? Is it the interview?
My anxiety was due to trying to get my documents together. Oh it's a mess......I need it for the interview so we'll see what happens. EEEEEK!!!! If you never hear from me again, I've gone off the deep end somewhere. Thanks for asking and the hugs! I'll keep you posted if it's good news. If not.....you'll read about it in the paper. :confused:

Ok back to the story....

But then I thought.. "PTSD".. I've been in a lot of denial. No offense to anyone here- God knows- but I don't like/ want to believe it really is so. It's scary to think it. Oye.
Dear Junebug, I believe we all say this to ourselves. Denial is "normal" for everyone no matter what the situation is. Broken up relationship, financial issues, medical problems, etc. you name it. Denial is part of our ways to cope so I wouldn't be so hard on yourself just for that. When the denial turns into facing reality to where you are endangering yourself in some way like not getting proper treatment or about to lose the house, then definitely denial needs to be addressed.

And I thought that sometimes even the 'wrong' (and yet 'right') reason is enough. For example, I felt lousy I left my friend knowing about the SI, so promised I wouldn't. Not really for my sake. And I thought as regards past traumas, it's the 'details' which get me. The graphic ones. And that interpersonal traumas, leave fear 'I' will cause damage to people, interpersonally. Naturally-occurring traumas, leave fear anything (bad) could happen at any time.

I'm not sure if you just think too much about what people are gonna say or if you just aren't sure how you might come across. In life, it's always a gamble how people may take things. Yes, the history of the relationship and having PTSD really louses things up and makes it difficult to focus on the here and now without digging things up in the past. PTSD puts us on super high alert - much more paranoid than if we didn't have it.

I don't know if this makes sense because maybe I'm not totally clear in what you're saying but here is something that happened last night and maybe it is similar to what you are saying.

Last night I started replying to an email - actually it was to clarify something I wrote the day before. I realized when I reread the email my tone was a bit....harsh? Not directly but it was clear I wasn't sending out warm and fuzzies. I started to reply and then I went into a whole other tangent. Then I started getting upset and anxiety started kicking in. I started going through FB.....I just went down a spiral. After numerous attempts to just send a nice explanation, I just decided not to. I realized that at first, my good intention to explain was going to start sounding like excuses that over email didn't sound very good because I started pointing the blame back at them. Anyhow, in relation to your situation in general, all this happened because I wasn't sure what to put. I purposefully didn't include things which I know bothered this person and made it look like I didn't care. I was too scared to try to explain because all that has happened between us will just come back to haunt him and that wasn't my intention to explain. So.....you never know if you are saying too much or too little.....if you are really saying anything clear or worthwhile...so you say nothing at all or as little as possible and it doesn't quite come across as you intended in your mind. :sick:


I think I do condemn myself for some things.
Don't we all Junebug. If only we did this. If only we did that. If only, if only, if only.....

What I noticed was different for me was my communication verbal and non verbal. Before PTSD, my communication was very clear. After PTSD, it was like those gumball machines. Things spin around and you think you're getting green and then you get the yellow with a bit of red smeared on it. It's like a bad radio frequency - all the signals are jumbled up and what spits out is different than what you thought would be.

Regarding our previous conversation, I think one of the challenges with healing and moving forward in PTSD is that the other people have a history with us that is hard to overlook, especially if they have it themselves. How do you move forward to a healthy relationship with them when everything reverts back to what they saw years ago? I believe that is one of the hardest problems between you and your sister and maybe others. Because our perception is a bit skewed, who knows how we really come across. If we saw ourself in a movie now, would we really believe we were thinking that way at the time? It doesn't help when people aren't supportive. We don't need to be right, just accepted and acknowledged. But unfortunately PTSD puts us in a "victim" mentality and I believe it is much more obvious than you realize. Your friend is very gracious to you. Thank goodness for his generous heart. But I'm sure he will also say that as much as it's worth to be there for you, he isn't going to say it's the easiest thing to do.

I hope you are feeling stronger and more energetic with your new healthy eating plan! Does that mean we have to cut back on the mojitos?

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My anxiety was due to trying to get my documents together. Oh it's a mess......I need it for the interview.. I'll keep you posted ..

I'm not sure if you just think too much about what people are gonna say or if you just aren't sure how you might come across. In life, it's always a gamble how people may take things. Yes, the history of the relationship and having PTSD really louses things up and makes it difficult to focus on the here and now without digging things up in the past. PTSD puts us on super high alert - much more paranoid than if we didn't have it.

Don't we all Junebug. If only we did this. If only we did that. If only, if only, if only.....

What I noticed was different for me was my communication verbal and non verbal. Before PTSD, my communication was very clear. After PTSD, it was like those gumball machines.

I think one of the challenges with healing and moving forward in PTSD is that the other people have a history with us that is hard to overlook, especially if they have it themselves. How do you move forward to a healthy relationship with them when everything reverts back to what they saw years ago? I believe that is one of the hardest problems between you and your sister and maybe others. Because our perception is a bit skewed, who knows how we really come across. If we saw ourself in a movie now, would we really believe we were thinking that way at the time? It doesn't help when people aren't supportive. We don't need to be right, just accepted and acknowledged. But unfortunately PTSD puts us in a "victim" mentality and I believe it is much more obvious than you realize. Your friend is very gracious to you. Thank goodness for his generous heart. But I'm sure he will also say that as much as it's worth to be there for you, he isn't going to say it's the easiest thing to do.

Dear Sailorgal, thank you for your help. When is the interview (what day)? I am saying prayers you find what you need! Were there circumstances in which they were misplaced? Usually they will give you some time to produce what is necessary, when they want you on board. Can you get another copy? Needless to say, I'm praying you find them, and have what you need. Please do write back and let me know. :hug:

Oh SG. I don't think I was writing to express anything particular, more like a summary. I think I may have expressed it poorly (or incompletely). It's either not quite what I meant, or I will try to think more deeply on what you've said, to see if I'm avoiding something or don't understand.

You see, (what I meant to say), is that denial re: the ptsd is silly for me, because I've lived with the consequences for so long! I recall finding this forum, it was such a positive to be able to identify with others' experiences (mostly to be able to say what I found helped me, and might possibly help them.) And to see how virtually any subject could be approached here.

Yet, it's just ocurred to me, how bad 'this' (or my own behaviour) has been.

I have tried, actually, to not say anything (outside of the forum) much to anyone, that is my nature. My friend I did ask for help (but he was an anonymous stranger at first, was an e-mail), back in 2006, I never thought it would not remain anonymous. Somehow he put it together- never said 'how'. At that time, and until 2008, it was as regards guidance what to do in a particular situation. But he is in a helping profession (and quite frankly, I fear he just should have then or now turned me away, but he didn't want to say that). Well, life went on, a relative needed 8 surgeries in a short time and was given a short-term prognosis to live, different things (than that) happened. I said those things (asked for prayers, too). Well, come 2008 I melted down after a happening. I didn't say about that. Well, in a couple of months there was a book left outside- (hope this makes sense)- upshot was I eventually (cannot recall when), said about the SI, because we both saw the book and that was the topic (the title). And on stuff went. I said things I swore I'd take to my grave. Mostly to try to get myself together and be honest, and to try to stop the SI.

I don't care 'how' others view me- well, of course I do, but if the shoe fits and I've earned a negative response, well that's not their fault but mine, just 'facts', even. I meant, telling anyone about S(I)- well I know anyone 'normal' - or even anyone for that matter- it's a 'creepy'/ gross/ yucky topic. Similarly, because it is, I meant I promised not to so that my friend would not ever think about it again. I was trying to be less of a burden. I guess by last year, I told him about the ptsd.

Well, I've struggled like crazy to get my act together, and then it started to hit me.. all this 'stuff'.. perhaps it is too much for anyone at all to bear hearing, no matter how much I still kept to myself (but the damage is done). I know I can't rewind the clock, or life. I never intended to say anything, over time things 'fell out', almost. I realized on New Years, that I have been so busy putting out fires, I haven't recognized the cummulative burden it's been. Much as I've always realized it's burdensome, and negative, or yucky. I asked whether that was regrettable, not to be told otherwise (reassured not, I know it was likely each time), but for the truth. Because I felt if I heard anything it wouldn't be a lie (he would tell me the truth if he chose to answer, which I gave up on, actually- thought even the question was a further biurden). But I did so (asked) with the obvious foreknowledge I couldn't go back to the past. I wholeheartedly agree it's not only 'not been easy', but undoubtedly been horrendous, for him to have been burdened by that. Though so many miraculous things have occurred- such as my aunt lived 2 years instead of 6-8 weeks, etc. But I still hoped he would answer. Because as much as I'm thankful for everything/ all the help, if it was as burdensome as I fear(ed)- regrettable- then it's my responsibilty to never do it again. It's a burden on another to be told information, sometimes. That's what I meant about the SI. :( Because I'm prone to defaulting to negative thinking, I asked to know if I should just be 'happy', and thankful for all that's happened, and the help. Or, conversely, to realize that the ptsd and myself have left me very selfish; to me, sharing what I have has been very selfish. (And if I will always have ptsd, then maybe I should make myself scarce because maybe I won't manage it well enough. I didn't say that, though. That's just realistic- protecting others from 'myself'.)

And yes, you are right, he hesitated and said he had to read it again, so yes it's been difficult/ burdensome (Lord knows, that I know, and knew already). But I do believe (only because he said it, and more than once), that he doesn't regret it. Because he said that. I try to give him credit to believe it.

I don't really have an 'adult' pre-ptsd time, so I can't recall 'being' different or someone else, or even for the most part entirely symptom-free (except it really nose-dived in 2008). My sister and I, we have our history, and yes, Oh God- those past triggers. But most is within the present. I think we both try not to concentrate on the past or hold resentments, though she has expressed things from the past she does not forgive me for. Fair enough.

To be honest, much is just the differences, when drinking is part of it, also. But I try to give her credit for her feelings, as well. Though I've told her little, I (also) may be a burden to her (with and without my ptsd) in other ways.

But, I have no regrets as to the Big Picture, with her, either. I would rather have been and be there, despite everything. Certain individual 'happenings', well I wish I wasn't. But no regrets for me, either.

I have to say, for all of it, I haven't felt like a 'victim' (mentality). I have felt stripped, defeated to the point of no-strength, and horribly vulnerable despite all efforts, since 2008. But, I have been Blessed by help, so much, including this Forum, too.

It's that I hope to concentrate on, provided its not unfair to others to think of it that way, because of the burden I've been. But to give them credit, even my sister for putting up with me, too. That all their hard work or kindness and help carrying my burden(s) with me, has produced some pretty amazing results. Because I'm not a great poster child for success or worth, but I have been in such bad shape and so 'un-helpable' it's miraculous I'm here. Thirty years has taken it's toll. But I am thankful for others sharing their strength, guidance. Forgiveness, too. Most people wouldn't, they would just judge it or regret it, not be kind. And rue the day I ever appeared, or they got stuck with it ('me').

Big hugs dear SG- nope, bring on the mojitos (of course ;) :) ) :hug: .
 
It reminds me of something, also, I learned years ago. They said that there is a 'shattering', that breaks everything (us) apart and we start new, an inward shattering. But there is also conversely an outward shattering, like a 'dumb bomb' that spews out broken glass and hurts those around us with the fragments. Sometimes I find it very very very difficult to discriminate which category I fit into. But if it's the latter, I have to accept that and act accordingly. My ptsd (or anything else) does not justify harm or regret or sorrow being brought on to others, even if I am in denial of the degree of harm I might do, or the ptsd complicates.

If that makes sense.
 
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