• We are a multilingual website again. Read the notice about this.
  • Understand AI use at MyPTSD: all AI use is explained in our AI help page. AI use is by choice here. It exists if you want it, but does nothing unless you choose to use it.

I Think I'm Sabotaging Myself.

Status
Not open for further replies.

Loner

Gold Member
This is strange for me to say, but I think I am subconsciously sabotaging my life, in pretty much every aspect, and have been for a while. I like to think of myself as a very self aware and analytical person, so this seems so strange to me, but its starting to become clear.

I've worked long and hard in therapy, and not that long ago, I think about 5 months ago, I stopped because I felt that I had gotten all I could get from it. My knee had been injured skiing a few months before, but I had worked hard and my recovery was going well, I was mountain biking and optimistic that I would continue to get stronger.

I have always been a loner, but I was making an effort to be social, I was talking to strangers more, meeting people mountain biking, and also doing some hiking and mountain biking with groups from a website called meetup.com. I actually met a few really cool people. Things seemed good, I was feeling happy, interacting with people and having fun, not caring what anyone thought of me, while managing to actually feeling like I must have some kind of charisma. Perhaps most importantly I was not smoking very much pot, and had not been for most of the summer.

Then something happened thats hard for me to talk about. This is so strange, its so mundane, I have all kinds of strength, its almost amusing that its hard to talk about this, but, of all the horrors I have been through, it seems what really broke me is to finally have a really amazing day. I went on a hike with a group from meetup.com, it was just one of those days when everyone seems to connect with each other and after a few hours a group of mostly strangers seem to have developed rapport and even inside jokes. I had really interesting intellectually stimulating conversation with a couple college students, as well as plans to go mountain biking with them sometime, participated in jokes and other fun talk with the rest of the group, and especially enjoyed joking around with one woman, older than me, definitely nothing romantic between us, but still, I often feel like I have a strange sense of humor that most people don't like, and that seemed to disappear that day. After the hike, part of the group, myself included, agreed to go get some food and drinks nearby. I happened to make a slightly flirtatious but odd joke with the waitress, I didn't really think about it, it just popped out, but it seemed out of character for me, it wasn't rude, in fact she did not seem to mind at all, and the older woman who I had been joking with all day laughed and slapped me on the back and told me how much she liked my attitude and that I was a lot of fun to be around. I kind of freaked the f*ck out at that moment.

I've never been good at taking compliments, I'm always afraid they are a trick of some sort (narcissistic personality disorder mother) or something, but this time I freaked out more just at the fact that everything seemed to be going so well. I was moving too fast into unfamiliar territory. It seems every since that moment, things have been going downhill. A week ago I was feeling sorry for myself marveling at how much shit life has dumped on me, and how bad my luck is, but I'm starting to see maybe thats not entirely the case.

So that hike was in august, in September I went on a big moutain bike ride I had been hoping to do as soon as my knee was able. Turned out to be too big, too soon, and its taken me since then to be ready to return to sports, I still havent biked again and havent skied this season. Now I did a lot to work up to this ride, but a couple days before I felt like myknee was a little sore and still went on the ride. I told myself I just dismissed it as soreness and thought I'd be ok, but now I htink maybe I deliberately sabotaged myself. After that ride I didnt even go to the dr for a week or two. I just got depressed and rested and hoped it would get better, when really resting completely just made the knee weaker. Again, I think I was just tearing down my hard work. After that I started smoking pot again. At first I just felt like I was trying on my old behaviors seeing how much I really wanted to change. Then, it just continued, and I think I've been hiding in fear of change every since.

I think I'm more comfortable being the dark mysterious weird loner, the pariah, suffering in silence. I think this is because I'm still hoping someone will love me out of pity, that is, see how much I suffer and love me for it because I am still a good man and I havent' let my suffering take that from me. I'm still hoping for love like parents are supposed to give. People though, besides with their own kids, don't love others like that, they love people for being awesome. I am awesome, I could list a hundred reasons why, but Ill make it short, and in the context of interpersonal relations, just say I have charisma. This much is obvious to me.

Its strange though, to think of that word, cus it seems like such an attribute, but only when I'm in a positive place in my mind. I have struggled to understand this, cus in my mind, how much people have seemed to like me at certain times, seems to contradict how much they seem driven from me in other times, especially because I don't treat others poorly even when I am doing poorly, I may be less friendly but I always try to be polite and courteous. When I think of myself as a charismatic person, it all makes sense. When I'm positive I exude a lot of positive charisma, people are drawn to this, when Im being negative I drive people away from me very effectively, its hard to describe, but its finally making sense. Ive wondered just what it is for a while, cus I've always felt like I deserve love and have been mystified at why I am so alone. I don't do wrong to others, and I've noticed that other people who are kind of strange don't arouse as much ire in people, but I think I can't helpp but affecting others with my mood, its not like I take it out on them, its just what charisma is.

Over the last few months I have been depressed. Up until a few minutes before I started this thread I just thought it was a natural consequence of recent misfortunes, but I think I actually caused most of those. A month ago I injured my finger at work, which has prevented me from playing guitar since. This I think was a pure accident, not something I did subconsciously, but instead of filing workers comp right then, which would of resulted in a mouth swab drug test, which I would of passed, I waited a few days, then stupidly asked HR about how workers comp worked, and was somehow surprised when I had to do a piss test, which I failed, for pot, causing me to lose my job. I'm smarter than that. The possibility existed, even after missing the opportunity to take the mouth swab test that day, to clean out my system THEN file for workers comp. I'm not beating myself up, I'm just stating a fact based on past performance, I'm smart enough to have gotten my workers comp, and kept my job. Its almost like I was being deliberately stupid.

I had been kind of negative at my job for a while too. I'm a good employee but I think I was a little negative. I thought I was just pissed about not being able to ski or play guitar, but I think I was actually crying out for help. I was hoping someone would notice I wasn't doing well and reach out to me, but that doesn't happen, except in the movies. Perhaps me subconsciously setting myself up to get fired wasnt completely self destructive perhaps I subconsciously knew I needed to move on from this job anyways, but regardless, this was not a conscious decision and the fact i seem to of acted on it scares me a little.

I guess I need to stop smoking pot all the time. I also need to stop hoping for anyone to pity me or care what I have been through in life. Not everyone is going to like me but if some people are they will like me for my positive charisma, not the negative. This is so strange though, I kind of judge myself for being so weak, I am in control of myself dammit. Guess not. I am only a human animal I guess.

Just as an aside, my finger and knee are doing better. I am skiing for the first timeon friday and hopefuly playing guitar in a couple weeks.
 
I kind of freaked the f*ck out at that moment.
they are a trick of some sort
I think its quite normal to freak out when we are in a situation that is so different from what we are used to. From what I know we have a mental map of the world and us and when it gets challenged it causes stress. Oh and I relate to the "trick" concept.

dark mysterious weird loner, the pariah, suffering in silence
I also think there may be a little black and white thinking going on for you over here. You don't have to be Mr Charisma or Mr Pariah.

I guess I need to stop smoking pot all the time. I also need to stop hoping for anyone to pity me or care what I have been through in life. Not everyone is going to like me but if some people are they will like me for my positive charisma, not the negat
I don't think you need to be Mr Charisma or Mr Positive for people to care about you but I think that wanting others to love you or care or give you attention because they pity you is a very negative and unhelpful mindset and will only bring you pain and disappointment. It puts you in a child mode and that of a victim rather than allowing you to be the adult you are and take power back in your life.

I think what people will respond to is you being you but the adult you. Oh, and I don't think the pot helps either! ;)

You sound like you have had some big and helpful realisations. :)
 
Howdy,

I believe we all dwell in the process of understanding precisely what happened to us way back in our beginnings. Not all counselors understand this and neither can those that do actually help in all situations.

You mentioned " I'm still hoping for love like parents are supposed to give ". Was it that your parents were unable to love you because of their own (personal) situations, or were you once hurt and they didn't know about it? This makes a difference I believe. Would it have felt strange to you to have actually been loved as a child? It would have for me.

I needed to learn how to keep a focus on my past (actions) while not letting them seep into my present, during my interactions with others. Otherwise I would sabotage myself also.

You seem to be on a good course with yourself.
 
I also think there may be a little black and white thinking going on for you over here. You don't have to be Mr Charisma or Mr Pariah.


I don't think you need to be Mr Charisma or Mr Positive for people to care about you but I think that wanting others to love you or care or give you attention because they pity you is a very negative and unhelpful mindset and will only bring you pain and disappointment. It puts you in a child mode and that of a victim rather than allowing you to be the adult you are and take power back in your life.

Thank you, I agree with everything you've said, but I kind of disagree, but also agree with the black/white vs grey area thing. I agree because I shouldn't try or need to be liked by everyone, if I fail to be charismatic it does not mean I am failing to be true to myself. I should just strive to find my own happiness, and if people want to be around me then fine.

I disagree though because like it or not, I have come to see that I AM charismatic. Its not really a choice. Its why I create so much negativity around me when I am feeling depressed. I don't do or say anything bad to other people, but like it or not it appears I do have some amount of charisma that just radiates to other people. I don't really understand it honestly, but things seem to make more sense when I look at them from that perspective.

I don't always have to be outgoing, sociable, and friendly, but I think I still have some amount of charisma even when I'm keeping to myself. This is hard for me to describe, I think I'm just going to leave it at that, the part I was more hoping people would relate to here is the self sabotage. Honestly it scares me a little that I'm so not in control of myself, especially after how far I have come.

I agree completely about being a victim. Before this regression I really had stopped caring what people thought of me and was just allowing myself to be happy just for the sake of being happy. It seems so strange I wasdoing fine with that until other people actually started wanting to be around me.

Was it that your parents were unable to love you because of their own (personal) situations, or were you once hurt and they didn't know about it? This makes a difference I believe. Would it have felt strange to you to have actually been loved as a child? It would have for me.

My parents just aren't capable of love, period. They, and my brother, were the only ones who REALLY hurt me growing up.

The idea that people like me and want to be around me is alien.


Thank you for your replies. I think I mostly just needed to get this out there. I would rather figure it out here than go back to therapy again, I feel good being a bit more independent and self sufficient these days.

Still wondering if anyone can relate to the self sabotage.
 
I think get what you're saying about self-sabotage. I know I've gotten in the way of my own progress, if that's what you mean. The subconscious mind is a sneaky, smart thing. Sometimes it doesn't let us in on the plan until after the fact, but it sounds like you're piecing together the clues pretty well.

As far as the pot, if you're thinking it might be time to take a break I'm going to say you're right. You know what's best for you.

Charisma is a double-sided thing, when you're giving off the glow of joyfulness the world smiles with you- they can't help it. They also can't help but feel the grey clouds coming down when you're in a funk. What you've said about that makes an awful lot of sense to me. Maybe grounding and centering in a more new-age sense would help with that- sounds like you're fond of the outdoors, perhaps blending a few elements of that into your daily routine could help balance out what you're projecting into the world around you? Sorry to get hippie-dippy, but I can't think of a better way to explain it.
 
This is strange for me to say, but I think I am subconsciously sabotaging my life, in pretty much every aspect, and have been for a while. I like to think of myself as a very self aware and analytical person, so this seems so strange to me, but its starting to become clear.

I've worked long and hard in therapy, and not that long ago, I think about 5 months ago, I stopped because I felt that I had gotten all I could get from it.

Hi, Loner :)

I think ( & hope) I know what you mean by "self-sabotage." I'm sorry to hear about the struggles you have been having :( and I hope things start turning around for you soon.

You do, indeed, sound quite analytical and self-aware, and I guess I can relate to those personality traits, too. I mention them in a good way! I think it's cool to be like that, and they seek to influence and strengthen the other very well (in my case they do, anyway). It sounds like it's your analytical mind and you being self-aware that led you to realize you may be struggling with self-sabotage in the 1st place! To me, that is very cool and admirable :cool:

I say admirable because I think it takes a lot to admit that we are struggling with something that is impacting us and our lives in negative ways. I feel like it can easily bring up a lot of shame and self-doubt, and moving forward with those feelings in-tow is very difficult.

I'm not trying to make this about me, but I have experienced some things that both me (and my therapist) felt were examples of self-sabotage at work. I grew up "in the church," so church has been a big part of my life for most of my life. When I went away to college, I had trouble finding a "home" church, but I did have some pleasant religious/spiritual experiences that compensated for that to a degree. Once I graduated and returned home, however, I was isolated again, and desperately needed/wanted a faith community to belong to. On top of that, I, unfortunately, dealt with 3 different living situations over the course of about 8 months that were very damaging to me emotionally and exacerbated my major depression to the point where I made a plan.

Now, things are better, and I have found a faith community and a support group that I could lean to for help. Here's where the self-sabotage part comes in...After attending a couple church services and making connections with members of the congregation (and 2 of the 3 pastors), I did not go back for a good 3 months straight. I LOVED going. Absolutely loved it. It was everything I needed and more. Everyone was so welcoming and kind to me. People asked me about myself; like, they genuinely wanted to know who I was...like, as a person :eek:

I simply was not prepared for all of that. I could not handle it, I swear to God (no pun intended!) I was near tears after one service. I rushed out and went all the way to the train station before I turned around and was able to return for a small group meeting they were holding for new visitors. I was soooo happy when I went to those few services, and I enjoyed meeting new people around my age and with religious/spiritual experiences similar to mine. And I stopped going. The last time I went was in, like, July of last year. That empty feeling that was getting full before is dry again. My small issues with social situations (I'm an introvert) that were little more than initial nervousness upon meeting someone new have grown into authentic fears of even sending an email to arrange a meeting :nailbiting:

As for your therapy, man, I encourage you to try to make another appointment (if you really want to, can afford it, etc). While I applaud you for identifying an area you are struggling with, :tup: I think the negative impact has been so great that you may be well served seeking help again. You don't have to go through this alone, Loner :hug:
 
I just joined this forum today because I read this post and can relate to a lot of what you said. I am analytical and self aware. I have been working on myself for years with healthy friendships and such and awhile ago, I found myself I guess subconsciously self sabotaging myself. This happened when I was the happiest with my life and myself and then I suddenly turned on myself as if I was preventing myself from being my truly happy self. I just started doing things that were meaningless and hurtful to me trying to make myself cry but I could not cry.

Loner said:

Honestly it scares me a little that I'm so not in control of myself, especially after how far I have come.

When I started self sabotaging, I realized I was doing it and this scared me because it felt like it took something away from me, like control and after this realization, it altered my view of things and me and my life and made me angry, so I just kept on self sabotaging.
 
I found an interesting article about this.

http://notsalmon.com/2012/10/17/why-people-self-sabotage-their-happiness/#.USolD0l1_uk.facebook

Im thinking back to a few years ago. I think three or four years ago I met a young woman on top of a mountain that we had both hiked up. I approached her and asked her if she wanted to come with me to explore a little further, down the far side of this mountain and up another. I mostly asked because the terrain was pretty rough and I would rather have someone else there in case something happened, but we ended up hanging out a few times. I said some stupid uncouth things. Not hurtful, just kind of strange. At the time, I realized, I just had way too much anxiety, I wasn't ready for what I was trying to do with her and sabotaged myself so as to make her push me away, which would cause the anxiety to lesson.

That was then though. Now, I think I am ready for a whole lot of things,but I still sabotage myself just because I'm more used to rejection than anything else, I'm most comfortable with failure. The thing is though, then, with that young woman, I think I wasn't ready, so the coping mechanism made sense. Now, I think I am ready, and making myself fail at things actually causes a lot more pain and anxiety than success would. I would really like to start succeeding.
 
I would really like to start succeeding.
It sounds like you are ready for that now, loner. Good luck.

Hello, Roseyq. Welcome to the PTSD Forum. You might want to take the time to go to the introduction threads and tell us a little bit about yourself. You don't need to say anything you don't feel comfortable with. But just a Hi howdy do.
 
Loner, the thing is... that the propensity and pattern of self sabotaging is now in your conscious awareness. You are no longer unconscious in your behaviors. Your realizations and observations of past behaviors, habits and experiences, can now guide you to personal growth in this area.

I think you are ready to start succeeding!
 
Thanks for the support, but I just want to say NO I"M NOT!!! I am so scared to succeed at anything. I hate this. I'm so mean to myself and I don't deserve it. I want to believe I can change but I just don't know. I've always been good at analyzing myself but past that, I pretty much suck at things.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Donation drives

2026 Donation Goal

Goal
$1,800.00
Earned
$910.00
This donation drive ends in
0 hours, 0 minutes, 0 seconds
  50.6%

Trending content

Featured content

Back
Top Bottom