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Conflicting Feelings About Relationships.

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but how did it help you Laura 2?

It's given me a chance to revisit my reasons - rational and irrational - for my complete avoidance of relationships.

I've considered your - and others' - ideas about how to run sexual/romantic relationships and widened my perspectives.

I've thought about my own needs as I thought about yours and had a minor celebration that my boundaries are recovering their health:tup:
 
I've considered your - and others' - ideas about how to run sexual/romantic relationships and widened my perspectives.
@Laura 2 I have a suggestion for you, if you don't mind. I would spend less time trying to develope romantic relationships, or avoiding them for that matter, and focus on making friends. I personally think for a male / female relationship to truly work, romantically,, has to have a bedrock of friendship.

I married my best friend. We met in college, and just started hanging out together. We would go to McDonald's for coffee, sometimes go to a movie, but it was never dating; it was just two friends doing things together. We did not have romantic aspirations, at least I didn't at first. It allowed us to develop a good, deep friendship without the pressure of "dating". And then one day we got engaged and went on our first date. We have been happily married for 35 years, and remain best friends.

So, not intending to the hijack the thread, good relationships are possible, even likely, when you build the right basis for the relationship, and ladies, guys too, but in the context of this thread, ladies, don't waste your time on guys that will not treat you with respect or guys that are control freaks, or guys that just want you to get you in bed. Perhaps this would be a good question: Is this a guy I would want to be good friends with? If the answer is no, then why in the world would you consider them for a romantic interest?

Ok I will get off my soap box. I guess deep down I just wish others could find the happiness my wife and I have found together.
 
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Wait..you got engaged, then you went on your first date? I was like awe! then that part confused me lol!! But yeah, Ive heard of successful relationships starting that way. But then also, college is the easiest (?!) time Ive heard to meet someone in comparison to later in life, because you are in a situation where you are completed surrounded by people within your age group, at around the same stage of your lives in a social environment, who are for the most part single... plus when you're younger...you do have your whole life ahead of you, and the biggest focus is on well...making friends and studies, without stuff like responsibilities or much of a history. You spend all your time together in class, studying, partying, etc.

I forget the exact details, but I read something like how the majority of people met their significant other while at college. I went into the Army after school, and though I've never read much about the same thing happening, just from my experience and what I saw of others, I'd say its close to the same thing.. except that there's a much wider age group, but a lot of people in the military end up marrying someone in the military, because of the dynamics of how much time you spend together with your friends (well..all your time! lol)

Dating is a whole different world once you aren't in a confined situation with other people like that....you have to actually go out and its an effort to meet someone and make the time outside of your daily life to spend any time together. I think people who meet the love of their life earlier in life are super lucky..!! And it makes or a very sweet love story when then do :)
 
Wait..you got engaged, then you went on your first date?
@silkleaves that is absolutely true.Not only that we had never even kissed. However, up to that point we pretty much did everything together, as much as our schedules would allow, so we had been out many, many times, but they were not considered dates, and we did not share a goodnight kiss at the end of the outing. We were, after all: friends.
Some things transpired and we had an opportunity to really explore how we felt about each other, and we talked about it. Somewhere in the process of being friends we had also grown deeply in love with one another, and realized we did not want the end of school to be the end of us, and we wanted to spend the rest of our lives together, so I asked her to marry me. The next day we both went to our respective homes for christmas, me to Alabama, and my wife to Michigan where we told our parents our plans, which they were happy for us

When we got back to campus we went on our first offical date, and yes I did kiss her goodnight following the date.

The rest is, how that say, history..
 
I actually think this is the best way as well. I don't like dating, and try to avoid it. I have two male 'friends' who I hang out with sometimes, and think that building solid foundations of friendship is best.

This guy wasn't someone I was considering in a romantic way though Russ, I was wanting to have fun and get my immediate needs met. There is no way I would consider someone who treated me this way just casually for relationship material.

As I've said before and had confirmed by Gizmo as well, it can also work out with people who meet and have sex on the first date, though it obviously isn't the norm. I've had relationships this way that lasted for a year or more...but came to the conclusion that for something longer lasting a solid foundation is the best approach.
 
That is pretty sweet @RussH ...!!! But yeah, definitely a sign of young love. I cannot imagine adults getting engaged before even considering each other as a romantic partner.

We cannot turn back the clock and be able to do that, so those of us who are further along in life are sort of stuck with the suckiness that is dating LoL
 
As I've said before and had confirmed by Gizmo as well, it can also work out with people who meet and have sex on the first date, though it obviously isn't the norm. I've had relationships this way that lasted for a year or more...but came to the conclusion that for something longer lasting a solid foundation is the best approach.

I think so too... like, crazily enough, the guy I actually ended up marrying started off as a one-night stand. Did not at all expect I would see him again, I actually couldn't even remember his name (yes, I know thats bad...)

But of the two long term relationships I've had since then, I waited for a couple months, at least, before we got intimate. Not just for the sake of waiting, but waiting until I had a better idea of them, if they were someone I could see myself with, if I thought they were someone who could fit in my life and family unit since I had a daughter to consider... like, until I got to know them to the best of my ability, and felt they were someone I could take seriously as a partner who shares my same values, goals, etc... Which all takes time to figure out.

ETA all three of my long term relationships lasted about 4-5 years. In comparison, when I slept with a guy right away, that generally lasted about 2 or 3 months. THOUGH! there is one exception...a friends with benefits situation, with a guy who I met and immediately we knew it would be a purely sexual relationship, we were together (no romance, just sex..and friendship) for 2 years...and now almost 12 years later, we are still very close friends (still no romance lol and no sex in nearly 9 years now) but I think that is highly unusual.
 
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Yeah, after the last few relationships fizzling out once I realised I had not much in common with them "who is this person?" I decided that getting to know someone is the best way to determine if they will fit in my life according to what I want...which I actually have a much clearer idea of now that I've had a few relationships...but that doesn't mean I discount the ones I had that started off as a one nighter. Life is all about different kinds of relationships. There is no one formula fits all.

And it's kinda demeaning to all men to say that every guy won't be able to see past their conditioned thinking that a woman who sleeps with you straight away must be somehow self medicating or has deep seated issues...as I was told by a male 'friend' the other day when I decided to see how many male friends I know who do think this way, and how many think that a woman has the same right to sleep with someone she likes without it meaning anything derogatory about her character.

I was kinda surprised and a bit disgusted that this guy said that to me, as I've known him for a few years now. I guess I'm not too surprised but he basically told me that I had deep issues and was "self medicating"! Yeah, I have issues, but having a one nighter, when I don't sleep around usually does not mean I slept with him to self medicate from my "deep issues". It was pretty insulting actually.
 
I was kinda surprised and a bit disgusted that this guy said that to me, as I've known him for a few years now. I guess I'm not too surprised but he basically told me that I had deep issues and was "self medicating"! Yeah, I have issues, but having a one nighter, when I don't sleep around usually does not mean I slept with him to self medicate from my "deep issues". It was pretty insulting actually.
@Philippa I personally do not consider it self-medicating, but I know sometimes (I don't sleep around) I just need that human contact; that sense that someone is accepting me for just who I am, so if I seek out a friend, someone to connect to, someone who is willing to look beyond my faults and just accept me. So, while I do not consider it self-medicating, I am still using that human contact to fill a need I have in my life.

I hope you do well, and I truly do hope that sometime soon you will get past the PTSD and all that surrounds it.
 
Yes RussH, that is what I was needing mostly...just basic human touch and contact, fun, enjoying each others company, hanging out, cuddles, nothing too heavy. That doesn't make me some kind of f*cked up head case who is trying to escape her pain (though I am f*cked up, and ptsd is something I live with.) We're all screwed up though. Anyway, at least I have more insight into how this person thinks of women who do sleep with someone on the first date. Glad I'm not interested in him that way, or he me.

Thanks for the kind well wishing. :) Now I'm off to a party. I've had invitations from other male friends to hang out, so I'm taking them up on it, and not thinking about this other guy at all. I only thought about him once today, mostly to reflect that it was a good thing I didn't have sex with him, and yeah...what a douche.
 
So, after spending last night drinking wine with a couple of girlfriends, I came to realise that my standards are not shared by people I hold dear, after I shared the story of the 'tinnitus' guy who stood me up to get drunk and stay out all night. I know it's been weeks, and I hadn't thought about him or the scenario more than a couple of times in that time...but we got on the subject of men and relationships and this came up again.

I woke up feeling somewhat upset and second guessing myself, which pissed me off, after hearing my friends basically say to me the same thing this guy said when I told him I felt disappointed...they said that if it were them they'd probably just make a joke of it with him at the date!!

Really? So that makes me the too serious one who needs to lighten up more and make a joke of it, have a sense of humour, and not feel disappointed, or at least give him another chance even if I do feel disappointed. I stuck to my guns and got a bit pissed off at the suggestion...though bear in mind I had drunk a fair bit of wine. They sat up to attention and realized that I was not like them in this way, and started to change their tune, but it all felt very like they were just saying stuff to appease me at that stage and held their own thoughts on the subject...which is fine.

This town I live in is full of people who drink regularly, and I guess with that comes a lowering of standards, or possibly just greater tolerance than I have shown? Not sure, but it did help me to solidify what my own standards are in this kind of scenario. Even if it would have only turned out to be a fun casual thing, aren't I still allowed to expect a certain level of respect and etiquette or standard for meeting with someone who wants to get to know me more...even if it is primarily sexually?

I was having trouble relating to them at one stage as one of them has 3 kids and the other (whom I only met last night and don't really know) has just found out she is pregnant to a guy she hardly knows and is keeping the child and trying to convince him to get on board with the idea that things don't always have to follow a sane, rational, sensible path in life...that it's ok to just have a child without even knowing each other and then get to know each other...like the Indian arranged marriages gig. Should I really be listening to someone like this in the first place? :D

Not that she wasn't nice, but it did become uncomfortable to be around two people I did not relate to, as I am without children and didn't want any, which can often baffle women who do have kids or want them. So, I was judging her as stupid, and she was probably judging me as weird. I was able to put my own opinions aside...my terribly stereotypical feelings apparently, that parenthood requires planning and sensibility, though I realise 'these things happen'...and I did my best to be supportive of her position, even though I found it unfair of her to expect the guy to just 'come around' to the idea that he's going to be a father, when he really didn't want to be. But anyway, I'm venting at this stage.

My main bone of contention was to hear them talking about how I 'should' give him 3 chances, because he sounds lovely and I did like him...but I am not really a 3 chance giver these days. I tend to think 3 chances can easily extend to 10 or more once you start on that road and just how understanding am I supposed to be about his situation?

I guess I am not as 'motherly' as these women are. My friend is a VERY mothering, martyring person who is always helping someone she knows who is in need...but there is usually a sense of her feeling owed by them the same in reciprocation after, and when it doesn't come she gets angry and disappointed. These days if I don't know the person that well I won't get involved in their problems, as I once would have to avoid my own problems. I don't think it is cold hearted of me to not want to get involved with a guy who has, from the sounds of it, serious medical issues that impede his ability to get his shit together as a 46 year old father.

I expressed how it made me feel to him at the time...he thought it was silly and tried to make it out to be a joke or something that I failed to laugh at sufficiently..and these girls apparently think the same?

Is it just because I'm not a big drinker that I somehow missed the memo that this kind of behaviour is ok or acceptable and it's me who needs to just lighten up and turn it into a joke and give him crap about it in a jokey friendly way? It was a twilight zone moment for me to say the least. Just needed to vent about it I guess.

It left me feeling self doubt, and upset that maybe I didn't handle it well enough, even though I was honest with him at the time about how I felt, so I think I was right. I didn't react the way he did, or the way they would, but that doesn't mean my reaction or feelings are somehow 'silly' or 'lacking in humour' for not just getting over it and laughing.

This is why I tend to avoid as much as possible sharing my life situations with too many people. What happens is I have a group who support me in telling me that how I felt is valid and the guy was a douche, and then I get others who say the total opposite and act all laid back about it as though it was nothing, and the opposing views can cause me to get confused. I think I let them know though that I was ok with how I actually did feel about it at the time and didn't appreciate being made to feel like I didn't handle it with enough humour.
 
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