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Questions For Veterans About Isolation

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Redhead75

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Whether it's appropriate to call it isolation or solitude at different times, I respectfully have a few questions to ask of veterans in particular, who are willing to answer. I realize that every person is different, so all the answers may be interesting!

That being said, my guy is one who says what he means. Where some might be in danger and in need of immediate medical attention if they let the world drop off for awhile, I truly believe he's going to be fine.

How long do you usually isolate? What gets the urge started?

Are there stages to it for you, such as
1. Dropping off social media slowly, changing your email and phone, etc.
2. Running into the next new scene, new relationship (or series of one night stands), leaving a geographical area, switching jobs, etc. Major changes, in other words.
3. Finally cutting off everyone who would normally be those few kept close (parent, sibling, significant other). No contact whatsoever, where there once was a drive to stay connected to at least one person.

Do you sleep a lot? Work a lot? Get creative? Get shit-housed? Knit? Write? Hunt? What do you do?

What causes you to come out of it again?

When you do, if you find that your current significant other is still there, do you initiate contact and physically return? If so, what can he or she do to assist you best?

If you don't want to return, what is your motivation for not doing so (assuming the s.o. would be a good, healthy connection, of course)?

If you're the kind of person who wants to be left the hell alone, and if this has been respected no matter how fearful your s.o. has become, does that help your trust levels return when you emerge?

Yes, I know that respecting his wishes to not be hunted down, knowing what I do about him and his state of mind (and approximate location) could be viewed as irresponsible of me to not report certain behavior. I'm a therapists worst nightmare on the support side of the fence, I'm certain. No, I will not do what the book says to do!

Because it's not my choice. If he wants to be dirty and unshaven, drunk or sober, medicated or not, in fights, safe or not, screwing strangers, learning to crochet, staring at the floor grow mold, or even alive, it's all his choice. It's finally, finally his choice. And he knows I love him anyhow.

Respect is a huge thing between us. As is non-judgment. This comes natural to both of us independently, as it does together. We are each other's confidant, and while I was the last person he stopped speaking to a couple of weeks ago, I must emphasize that it's not about me right now. So I'd prefer not to address what his decisions might be doing to me. That's my bag to handle, as they say. Hence the questions directed this way, instead of at him. He and I will talk one day at the fire pit. Some day.

I'm sure I have more brewing somewhere. This is all going toward better understanding for me, so I thank you sincerely!
 
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This is very interesting and I would like to know the same answers. Mine too, says what he means. He is not seeking help, as far as I know. (We broke up 3 weeks ago) Hoping for some good feedback.
 
@Redhead75 , I'm a supporter but I will tell you some of the things that my sufferer tells me and things that I have seen him do. Yes, they sometimes do sleep a lot, they do withdraw maybe for a few days to a few weeks, mine isolated himself from me for 30 days and he blocked my calls and texts messages because I didn't give him space when he asked for it. Now, he is slowly coming back but last Monday, we were intimate and then I talked to him last Thursday and I have not heard from him since. He is not answering my calls once again. So they will be on and off. Usually they will come around on their own. My sufferer told me just to let him be and he will bounce back on his own. Depending how flirty they are, they may start relations someplace else but not always true. Best thing to do is not pressure them because they will get worse and will not want to be around you at all because they will see you as one of their triggers. Yes they will shut down on a lot of things sweetie. Mine likes to go see his family if he gets too stressed out. I hope I helped you some. :-)
 
@Della, Thank you so much for your response. It's hard from one five minutes to the next, to understand where they're coming from. But the underlying thing for me, is to take what IS said simply for what is said, instead of using the usual suspect set of emotions to steer my thinking. It's difficult (for him) to even voice responses when there's no will to be understood, so I've got to remember that. Regardless of anything I feel from moment to moment, I solidly love him.

I wish every vet with ptsd had a strong supporter...just someone to be there. Sigh.
 
@Redhead75 , yes I know what you mean about that. The thing that people don't understand about mental illness is that their way of thinking is not of a normal pattern of the way that we think but normal thinking people will not understand that. They will have no patience with somebody like that. Just like alcohol and drug addiction, it's an actual sickness but PTSD is sickness of the mind. Sometimes, they will be selfish in thinking and will be controlling because of them being PTSD suffers, they at times feel that they have no control over that disorder so they try to control outside things and people because they can't control inside themselves most of the time. Find ways to comfort him by not being too assertive because they don't like that either, try not to make too many demands on them as this will become overbearing to them. Sort of let them move at their own pace and I have come to find out, the more you let them take the lead in the relationship, sometimes the more they will open up to you. They at times don't even know why they act the way they do. Continue to study about the disorder and some things that may trigger and plus watch very closely at your partner and pay very close attention to the way that they talk ok because it's very important to listen to them and hear them. Even if they talk about the same thing over and over again, in which they will, don't tell them that they told you that before because they will shut down and not open up as much. They will tell you what they like and don't like so take heed as to what they say sweetie. Best of luck dear :-)
 
How long do you usually isolate? What gets the urge started?
It very much depends. Hours. Days. Weeks. Months. Even years. If I'm doing well it tends to be hours and days. If I'm doing badly it tends to be weeks and months. I have to be off the reservation to go years, but I have done it.

Are there stages to it for you, such as

Not the ones you listed, but yes. Very much stages. Although they can come on in a *snap*. There may or may not be build up. Depends on how hard I'm hit, and how fast.

Also a few different types of stages, depending on what's going on. An example of types, is I may be isolating from what's most stressful for me, or I may be isolating from the people I care about most -but f*ck everyone else, they can deal or kiss my ass, I really DGAF-, or I might be isolating from everyone except one or more people I care about most, or I may be prioritizing.

I compare PTSD to the stomach flu an awful lot. (Hey, I've had both ;)). Both the types and stages of isolation slot neatly into being plain ole regular sick. Just a little bit & you'll still be going to work, going out, meeting up wih family, etc. you won't be super happy about it -after all, you're sick- but you can still do it. Maybe you get better, it was just a passing irritation. Maybe not. As you get more sick? You start prioritizing. The house can suck it / not cleaning today, not going around Jenny & the new baby -don't want them to catch it-, gonna cancel the meeting with good friends / they'll understand, but keep the meeting with so&so because of XYZ, still go into work need to be paid even if everything else gets cancelled... Or stay home sick from work, I need the energy to be able to go to so&so's Wedding, but the baby shower? I'll give them a gift later... Etc. Until you're sooooo sick (head on the toilet seat, and you don't care how long since it's been cleaned, it's cool) that absolutely everything is canceled. How long is everything cancelled for? Or how long are you prioritizing? Depends on how long you're sick for! (And if you overdo too much to soon, and relapse all sick as a dog again, or get meds that work, or, or, or. And if it was a 24hr bug or a 10 day real flu, and whether or not the moment you get better and go to the store? Some kid sneezes on you, and 72 hours later you're all over the stomach flu, but have bronchitis from hell & no voice :wtf: )

Do you sleep a lot? Work a lot? Get creative? Get shit-housed? Knit? Write? Hunt? What do you do?

LMAO. Yes. During the worst of the worst, I'll be sleeping 20+ hours a day (or locked in anxiety attacks/ flashbacks most of the day, or 3 days no sleep, and cry for 20+ hours a day of sleep). Or I'll work 80 hours, because at work my head is clear. Or I'll run around getting a bunch of shit done, because 1 or more stressors removed? I suddenly can. Or, or, or, or, or. It really depends on where my head is at.

What causes you to come out of it again?

Back to the flu analogy. What makes you get well? You just do. Are there things you can do to speed it up? (Rest, fluids, etc.... Rest, destressing, self care) Yep. Are there things you can do to make it take longer? DEFINITELY. You can't really guarantee getting well faster, but you can absolutely prolong it! Trying to do too much too soon is probably my biggest. That's a fine line to walk, because if you don't push when you can? Stuck. Push too much? Stuck harder.

When you do, if you find that your current significant other is still there, do you initiate contact and physically return? If so, what can he or she do to assist you best?

As soon as I feel better I reach out, unless I feel guilty.

If you don't want to return, what is your motivation for not doing so (assuming the s.o. would be a good, healthy connection, of course)?

I'm sick of putting them through this bullshit. I don't want to have to deal with it, & I sure as hell don't want anyone I love to have to deal with it. I am *attempting* to knock that shit off & let people make their own stupid decisions / it's their right to make the decision to be with me, even if I think that's stupid.

If you're the kind of person who wants to be left the hell alone, and if this has been respected no matter how fearful your s.o. has become, does that help your trust levels return when you emerge?

N/A... I can't be with anyone who gets freaked out by my absence. Whether they're a mess over my being deployed, or a mess over getting my head stuck up my ass... That's not someone I can be with.

This is different from the above / letting people make their own decisions, because this is a me-decision / something I cannot deal with in a partner. There are plenty who can, known blokes who got all :sneaky: and starry eyed and there there, by their partner being worried/afraid/etc. Not that they enjoyed making them afraid, they just saw it as WUV! and were all super tender/sweet about it. Me? It pisses me off. And distracts me. And makes me seriously unhappy. I *cannot* be happy being the cause of someone else's fear/misery. Shrug. LOL. Someone for everyone.
 
Until you're sooooo sick (head on the toilet seat, and you don't care how long since it's been cleaned, it's cool)

@FridayJones This whole response is excellent. The above quote has to be my favorite though. I can feel that!

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. No matter what I try to figure out, I keep coming back to the same conclusion. It's a very self-guided path once the need for isolation hits. When it does, it's time for folks to back off, and love without stipulation.

I hope you have a really good day!
 
I am *attempting* to knock that shit off & let people make their own stupid decisions / it's their right to make the decision to be with me, even if I think that's stupid.

Agreed, excellent as usual, Friday. You always impress. But this quote is my favorite take away.

How many times have supporters heard the "you can do better than me" speech? I've read it so many times here from people when shit hits the fan and I know I've been on the receiving end of it myself two or three times from Tater. Ugh, stop! Stop being a martyr and stop being so down on yourself. This is my stupid decision and I happen to love your dumb ass! LMAO!:rolleyes:
 
Love this!! I really needed those answers as well...and yes I got the you can do much better speech 5 weeks ago...still no word.

It should be my stupid decision if I stay or not I got my big girl pants on lol
 
How long do you usually isolate? What gets the urge started?
It very much depends. Hours. Day...

Thank you for your response! Being in a relationship with one who has combat PTSD is hard and does hurt at times, but your words have definitely helped me understand a lot more of the "why's".
 
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