News Another Shooting In The Us

[Abstract]

The US is rapidly turning into a police state and it has been proven that many of these mass shootings are staged by the federal govt as a means of pushing gun control legislation.

Sorry Butterfly I don't mean disrespect but :wideeyed::wtf:

 

[Abstract]

It's funny how the UK is a place that is incredibly strong on freedom of speech and personal freedom then.

 

[mybutterfly]

Ms Spock, I have hundreds of gigs of research material that is NOT from any type of conspiracy theory website. Unfortunately, you are incorrect when you state that people in therapy and on their medication rarely hurt anyone. It is precisely the people who are either medicated or are trying to wean off their medications who are MOST likely to go on killing sprees. The reason you will rarely hear about that on the evening news is that the pharmaceutical companies spend billions of dollars in advertising and the media does not want to risk losing that funding. If you want a respected expert, check out psychiatrist Peter Breggin. He has been called the conscience of modern psychiatry.

The Batman shooter was a medical student who was under the care of a psychiatrist prior to the shootings, yet no information has been released on whether Holmes, like Colorado shooter Eric Harris, and countless others, was under the influence of psychiatric drugs documented to cause violence, psychosis, and even homicidal ideation. A couple of his professors stated that he was involved in a govt. mind control experiment, but their statements were later scrubbed from further news stories. I do have copies of the news stories where these professors testified before the info was scrubbed. His apartment was also rigged with countless booby-traps that the police described as "highly sophisticated" using materials that are not available to anyone but the military or CIA.

I don't have enough posts to include links for you, or apparently even mention a search engine, but if you will just check out Dr Peter Breggin and agencies like the Citizens Commission on Human Rights International (Sometimes just referred to as CCHR), it should give you enough info to get started on your own research. I'm certain you will find some conspiracy theory websites among the search results, but you will also find plenty of legitimate sources. I'd love to give you more to go on, but I'm not allowed to at this point.

 

[AS1975]

According to the CDC, there are nearly 11,000 deaths from drunk driving each year AND More than 110 MILLION incidents of impaired driving.

Yet how many incidents were there were a single driver killed 20 people? How many drivers were involved in non-fatal accidents/incidents and lost their license to operate a vehicle because they posed an unnecessary risk to themselves and others? I mean, cars don't kill people, people kill people, we all know that. But the vast majority of people on our road have had to at least demonstrate some knowledge of how to utilise a motor vehicle properly, an ability to follow road rules and operate that vehicle under the knowledge that a failure to follow basic rules will see that "right" to operate the vehicle removed from them. Yet I see no amendment in the US Constitution that enables everyone a "right" to operate a motor vehicle, why is that?

See my basic problem with this is that I lost several nice weapons as a result of the sale of weapons (and the subsequent use of them) by one Martin Bryant. I lost my entitlement, despite being a responsible gun owner and user, to own the weapons. This without any regard to the fact that I have had at least some military training and was extremely competent with weapons.

The NRA best watch it's step, and pick it's battles, if it continues to agitate for any cretin to be able to purchase any weapon without basic license requirements, without compromise, then they'll lose in the end, without compromise. Guns are no more intrinsically evil than knives or axes, they are simply more effective in the hands of homicidal f*ckwits at causing unnecessary carnage. I would dearly love to see the results of some simple psychometric testing on those that misused firearms, both worldwide and in the USA. Because unless someone starts seeing that large parts of the voting public are being pressured by continuing carnage and starts to compromise, expect to lose your weapons the way we did.

 

[mybutterfly]

mybutterfly, if you look at shootings in schools and public places, other than the U.S, such as Australia, Canada and the U.K - they certainly don't have with the same frequency or in the same way.

They also don't have any where near the amount of psychotropic drug use. Like it or not, The American Psychiatric Association and Big PHARMA are in collusion. Their only interests are in lifetime profits.

 

[AS1975]

Sorry to burst that particular bubble, but Australia is the Amphetamine and Amphetamine-type drug capital of the world. If they aren't psychotropic/psychoactive I don't know what is. I've lived in the murder capital of Australia (Alice Springs - worked out per capita) and very few firearms are used (almost none). The weapons of choice are knives, axes and star pickets. Given the demographic, I'd have to suggest quite strongly that the only psychotropic/psychoactive substances that would figure in most homicides in Central Australia would be marijuana or ethanol.

 

[AS1975]

When guns are outlawed, only criminals have guns.

I would actually agree with this, thanks to the efforts of one deranged imbecile, responsible gun owners in this Country were disarmed, quite effectively, as a result of an outpouring of anger in the electorate. Now the vast majority of gun owners in this Country are unlicensed, with a huge number of illegal weapons being bought in and stockpiled by both gangs and religious nutjobs (I wouldn't suggest for a moment the two are connected).

But the fact is, the irresponsible, psychopathic and just plain imbecilic gun owners ruined it for everyone. Australia is seeing an increase in gun crime at present, due entirely to the fact that illegal gun ownership is on the rise. Don't imagine for a minute that with sufficient support that the 2nd Amendment cannot be re-amended. Even more likely than that is that the Politicians will promote judges who will read it much more strictly and narrowly, enabling licensing restrictions. It's like I said, the NRA isn't willing to compromise, so when the day comes they can expect no compromise.

 

[AS1975]

Do you need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt dear? They don't shoot back... so what is wrong with a bolt action single shot rifle for those hunting their food or for sport?

An SK* or SLR was a perfect weapon for pig-shooting, but any .303/.308 will do the job, you just need to know how to use the weapon properly. That said, I wouldn't like to go pig shooting (at least anything of any size) with a .22, .222 or .223 bolt-action, they just don't have the stopping power front-on at short range.

 

[Hashi]

When guns are outlawed, only criminals have guns.

We're talking about controlling guns, not outlawing them.

If you wanted to talk about the difficulties of disarming those who already have guns, I think that would be a valid point and is probably the biggest question, although not impossible. That's one reason why Northern Ireland was discussed earlier. But you don't seem to be saying that.

If you actually look at crime statistics for countries with strict weapons control, very few criminals have guns and there's little gun crime. It's not a scenario where criminals have the upper hand because they're the only ones with guns. Why on earth would any country have strict gun controls if that was the case? Why on earth would those of us in countries with strict gun controls be saying it works?

Those intent on murder or suicide will always find a way.

How many times do people have to point out that multiple murder:

• is much harder with guns that have to be reloaded or any other type of weapon
• happens rarely in countries with strict weapons control (not just guns, but all weapons and items that could be used to make bombs)
• is likely to be less successful if attempted (eg fewer people killed before the killer can be stopped)?

There are also the points about accidental shootings, being able to shoot before having time to assess a situation, the much higher chance that an incident involving a gun will be fatal, the presence of guns escalating situations that might be otherwise resolved, etc.

Things can still happen without guns, but guns make a big difference and the type of gun makes a difference.

An armed populace is a citizenry. A disarmed populace is a bunch of slaves.

There are many countries as economically developed as the US where the populace is largely disarmed. The UK, for example. If you're going to make this claim, please could you demonstrate our slavedom and lack of citizenship?

 

[Hashi]

Yes, unfortunate incidents like these will always happen, but realize that 10 times as many people are killed every year by drunk drivers than by guns. Should we outlaw cars?

No, but more controls on licences and how people drive them would be good.

 

[anni]

Hee. Yes, but there certainly is some resentment broiling beneath the surface- hence the replies. And I did not singularize my post towards any one person, not sure where that came from. There's an awful lot of talk about ' America needs to '. We know what we need to, of course, can see it in the faces of our American babies we just buried this week along with the night-clerk at the Quicki-Mart near here who isn't going to be home for Christmas, the young man and father recently discovered a few iles from here when someone opened there garage door one morning ' Oh look, another dead person laying in my garage'.

Our gun lobby's mother ship, the NRA, just came out with their 'Official position', about as reasonable as one would expect from a bunch of radical right-wingers who brush their teeth with the decayed bones of the commerce-driven victims of their collective carnage here. The thing is, they are NOT a part of our government nor are they an actual voting art of the house or senate- do not comprise an element of representation in any portion of official Washington. If anyone could benefit from guidance from other countries, it'd be them but they simply consider themselves beyond God himself as far as power and control here while at the same time representing a mere fraction of American Citizenry. This time they're the wolf, with asthma, puffing and huffing and this house is not going to be blown the heck anywhere at all. The Big, Bad, Gun Lobby- Puleeze. Certainly it's taken too long to get this far, certainly also it's over the dead bodies of our citizens we've finally gotten here but Here we are.Arrogance oozes from every, sleezbucket pore, so let 'em rant. It's at thin air this time since thier insane arguments are finally being heard by 100% of this country- it's WONDERFUL. Fully armed guards in all the schools, Swat-team trained teachers AND students, kevlar handed out to kids- shooting themselves in thier colective footsies, the wusses, hiding behind these teeny bodies we've just buried. I asolutely LOVE every, single sentence these ninnies put out there because America itself distances itself further with every kookbird, heartless and mealy-mouthed verb and adjective.

The gun lobbies own a bazillion politicians, afraid to vote against them. Now they are forced to make that choice- Thank God, and will finally have the glare of the nation upon them as they finally make the correct choice. The world media can be as alarmist as they like- it's more interesting to listen to doom, gloom and the prospect of more dead children than to project what will be the case. That will be more than just a discussion this time- it will be mental health/assault bans/clip restrictions/- go down the NRA's list and what these swine call fror, check ' none of the above'.

I'm also not imagining a growing, dismissive perspective on America- and am not offering a knee-jerk defense. I plain-old love this counrty, bottom line. We've found our middle time and again through history, every, single time the pendulum has swung too far and threatened to turn democracy into something more akin to Madame la Guillitine. We've bee threatened by outside forces, hoping to control if not exterminate us. They got a stern answers- fractious amongst ourselves, we are US, not going anywhere at the behest of bullies. This is no different, the NRA merely a big, loud mouthed, bully rapidly becoming devoid of real power thank goodness. If everyone else is free to offer perspective and solutions, so am I, although am hardly contentious or confrontational in my wording or phrasing, much less the entire Anni perspective. Mine is no more or less important than anyone else's, to be sure, but it's equally valid.

 

[ms spock]

They also don't have any where near the amount of psychotropic drug use. Like it or not, The American Psychiatric Association and Big PHARMA are in collusion. Their only interests are in lifetime profits.

In terms that Australia has a population of 22,851,345 to America's population of 314,996,389? Or in terms of per head per capita? I can see how you might argue that Australia doesn't have a comparative population but in comparison to Canada and the U.K? I think Big Pharma is well embedded in the U.K.

I can see that the abuse and poor prescription of psychotropic drugs is concerning mybutterfly. If a psychriatrist doesn't have the skills sets to be good in therapeutic practice (a good talker) and relies on the drugs too much there can be long term effects that are not good for certain types of medications. But many people don't have use them lifelong - they can use it for three-five years and wean off them. And for some people they can take them lifelong and live productive lives that would never have had access to without medications. Of course there are the issues that you are concerned about, which cannot be dismissed. The drugs do need to be carefully monitored and wisely used by a psychriatrist that is highly skilled.

I looked into it mybutterfly and the use of psychotropic medications such as antidepressants, anxiolytics, sedatives, antipsychotics, mood stabilisers and attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) increased in Australia by 58% from 2000 to 2011.

(Source: Trends in the utilisation of psychotropic medications in Australia from 2000 to 2011

1. Chris P Stephenson
2. Emily Karanges
3. Iain S McGregor

1. School of Psychology, University of Sydney, Australia

1. Iain McGregor, School of Psychology, University of Sydney, A18, NSW 2006, Australia. Email: [email protected])

So the use in Australia, of psychotropic drugs is not marginal.