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Are Vets Who Wern't In Direct Combat Actions Really Welcome Here?

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i am one of the original veteran's that the diagnosis was written for. they threw all the natural disaster shit in to give it some legitimacy . . . not everyone is as complex or chronic as me, but everyone want's that 100% - .

Obnoxious or what, I thought everybody suffers there own nightmare of PTSD, guess I was wrong. I mean that my PTSD is worse than yours, we can all relate to, but f*ck me, Besides I don`t get shit, and I ain`t intrested in it either, and I dare say some of you other guys out there don`t either.

I appreciate your input, but get of your high horse mate. Just because you were in Vietnam does not make you special. Howdo you know how complex or chronic anyone else is????

He doesn`t, the way he is going on I reckon he is over compensating. I dunno, probably had a wet packet of cigeretes while out in the jungle. Just my opinion, but disgrace to the uniform comes to mind. PTSD is no excuse for what happened here.

For someone who has been dealing with PTSD so long and has learnt so much, it has to be a prime example of someone who hasn`t learnt the fundamentals of getting to grips with it.

Real sad that is.
 
23 years of treatment can't fix stupid. Go kick a dog you wanna be Rambo Internet Commando bitch. I don't give a shit what you have been through or how much of a bad ass you think you are, you don't decide who has PTSD and who doesn't. I f*cking hate little bitches like you that make it seem as if this PTSD shit cant be gotten under some kind of control. Your just a weak minded little faggot that has had more than enough time to try and learn how to act like a decent human being. If you still act like this now then there is no hope for you, stop wasting your time in treatment and go f*ck off somewhere. PTSD has beaten you old man. I know we are not supposed to get personal on here but he was attacking a fellow veteran for no good reason and there is nothing that can still trigger my own rage beast like a f*cking bully. So I'm sorry to the rest of the forum if I only pissed people in here off more. I usually just lurk like the weirdo I am. Now I have to go take my medication, it's a 600 lb tractor tire in my back yard that I flip over and over until I forget all about wannabe tough guys on the internet that threaten to rip people's heads off.
 
I want to say this. Ive been upset and thinking on what I want to say all day.

Firstly, That is not a real Marine. We have guys like that that are in the Marines but we tend to run them off pretty fast.

Secondly, I am sorry. I feel a duty in explaining that all branches have assholes. That is a giant asshole. And I am ashamed that he wore the uniform of the Marine Corps. Truely.

Thirdly, I feel like I have grown from the first few days I joined this site. Earlier in life I would have gotten all over that jackwagon and dished out some verbal abuse. I walked away and didnt bite. +1 on my baby steps.

I know this site is a place to grow and learn and help. It is not a pissing contest into who ate more bugs and stacked bodies higher. Like I said in a pervious post, if thats the case, I was a cook. I peeled spuds and made you guys real crappy food while selling the good stuff to the locals for cash profit. :)


one last thing, Daniel, your on iggy! you wanker!
 
The only person who called him a Marine was himself Red. No worries. The rest of us are all routed in reality. One bad apple doesn't ruin the Corp on here.
 
Gentlemen, I'm speechless. I welcomed Dan here as an old friend that had thought enough of a bunch of us to put together a PTSD site of his own to try to help us. The site finally went down due to spammers. But I respected him for all the work he went through. I can only say that the man who posted here is very different than the man I knew.

I don't know if it's medication issues, or what. I do know that, largely untreated for many years, PTSD gets worse as one ages. Perhaps that's the case with Dan. I know it is with me.

Dan, I'm gonna man up and tell you to your face. You're outta line here. This is probably THE most legit PTSD site I've ever been to. Jimmy is right, trolls and folks "cuising for stressors" are soon detected and gone rather fast. They have been gracious enough to let post here, even when I'm "winged out". I ask you to show some respect.

Sarg
 
Many years ago I used to be one angry prick... never hid this from the main ptsd forum site when I created it. It takes more courage IMO to man up and acknowledge when wrong, than it does to run of on some tangent of nobility, crusading how important one is over anyone else. I really hated the pissing contests between corps whilst in, let alone people carry it when out.

I was a poge, field refuelling... and let me just say, we were usually ahead of infantry on what you may want to call a "front-line"... so we were normally behind the line in enemy space, with small mobile refuelling sites for blackhawks and gunships to get in and out of. We were often on our own or had a small detachment located near us for fire support. We would get back to locations and Infantry would be sitting around drinking brews, eating all they wanted to eat, having a great life in some fancy shed. Then we had times when we were back from the fighting areas, had a generator, tent, fridge with cold drinks, etc... with a much larger, more permanent refuelling establishment. Infantry would come by and slang shit at us for having it easy.

It was often funny when someone from SAS was around us, some grunt would speak such shit, and the SAS trooper would give them a reality shock of what some poges actually faced compared to Infantry. That would shut-up especially more experienced soldiers... but newer ones had that pride of corps bullshit going on.

Funnily enough, some of our own people were ex-grunts, because it was a job they had the best of both worlds. They got the cruise locations with all the perks, yet they also got out into the dangerous territory... except they didn't have the support of their battalion behind them, instead they quickly discovered just how f*cked they were when in some location for a few hours, a couple SAS or section of grunts to protect us, refuel flatout for a couple of hours, then pack up, sling the crap under a chopper and gone again before enemy fighters could hopefully reach us.

Reality was a bitch to ex-grunts who became poges due to injuries, then suddenly realised the job was more dangerous than their own combat missions.

My brother-in-law was a medic on a ship of Somalia and Rwanda... helping to patch up all the injured, watching them die due to it taking too long to get them onboard, etc etc. Body parts everywhere, nothing like what any doctor would see in an ER unless there as some type of major attack or such, which is rare at best. The ship was providing supporting fire to land based troops, as well as being a massive still target for enemy... sinking a ship normally ends badly for most onboard. He has PTSD due to his serving in combat zones, all done from a ship. He is messed up, but not as bad as I was on land. Again... land based troops are usually more messed up.

It is believed that special forces troops all have PTSD, hence why they keep them in action near constantly, and they have such flexibility when not in action with the shit they pull and get up to, usually way outside the scope of normal, because the are literally trained to have PTSD and learn how to control it the best they can... because the most effective soldier on the battlefield is normally one with PTSD, due to the symptoms it possesses as strengths in combat, but weaknesses in civilian society. This is also why most special forces endup taking jobs with civilian security companies so they get back into combat zones. They simply can't function outside them all that well... and it takes them many years to slowly chill out from their experience and training.

Combat is just so diverse... and PTSD comes from so many different sources.

A storeman would rarely have in their mind they are in danger. If a mortar hit close to their stores and location, suddenly the realisation they're not untouchable, or excluded from conflict, hits them hard... thus PTSD can form because they can't see their enemy to even have a fighting chance, hence helplessness kicks in. Stores and such are far better targets nowadays in modern warfare than ever. Enemies stopped fighting head to head long ago, instead they began targeting logistics. We all do the same... we go for logistics. You cut of logistics, you suddenly make an easy enemy to fight due to low morale. Urban warfare is seen today as worse than jungle, as jungle you have a level playing field to some degree. Urban, they can pop out a window, rooftop, corner, then disappear before you can even get a grenade or such in their location... usually ending up with innocent casualties as a result, which didn't occur in jungle warfare for the most part. Yet jungle has more deeming psychological problems than urban due to the isolation.

This is why, IMO, all veterans and combat types are really quite equal. PTSD is PTSD... when it comes to obtaining it in combat zones. Severity changes and experienced trauma is obviously different, thus equating to symptom severity... but the PTSD is still the same and can easily go up or down without notice.
 
It takes more courage IMO to man up and acknowledge when wrong, than it does to run of on some tangent of nobility, crusading how important one is over anyone else. I really hated the pissing contests between corps whilst in, let alone people carry it when out.

'nuff said. I will not talk about the detail of what I have seen and done and been landed with. But damnitt, my old man saw more crap than I ever did and, in our local pub he had a reputation as a really good bloke, never a bully. (9 Para, all the way through end of Empire, India, Palestine, Borneo, Malaya, Aden, Cyprus and Suez). And some of the old boys he shared a pint with were original SAS (Western Desert). I wish I'd paid more attention whilst I was having a couple of pints before scuttling downtown to get lairy.
Point is, none of those real blokes EVER tried it on. They set me a good example.
 
WOW!! I saw this thread last night but couldn't post something as I was on my way out. Thought about this alot over the evening and this morning. So, although it's really been hashed out I guess I gotta' have my 2 cents as well. Not that if matters as such but I just hate seeing people in need in pain.

The therapy I'm in now has uncorked the bottle that I kept things bottled up for more than 40 years. What's in there is more devil then genie. One thing that I have realized is that when I came back everyone minimized what I'd done, where I'd been and what I went through. So, I locked it away..... Or so I thought. Now I'm dealing with all that and it made me realize one thing; all I really wanted at the time was validation. That people would accept that I did what I did and was f*cked up to boot. Seems like a simple thing.

When I was in Nam I always would rather be out in the field. It was safer. Back in the rear area we were constantly getting mortared and rocketed and Sappers were constantly trying to break though our lines. Never felt safe there. In the jungle I could be invisible. I liked that, more of an even playing field. So, sitting in a giant tin can a few miles off shore from some crazy man with scuds and chem weapons would be crazy scary to me. Bar, don't doubt yourself. Your feelings and PTSD are real.

I knew someone that was on the Forestal when it blew up on the way to Nam. The story still sends chills down my spine. To be somewhere that you really can't even escape from has got to really play havoc on your mind.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But even here on the internet the words we say and things we do are quite powerful. I personally hate flame threads and no shit contests. It reminds me too much of the gaming sites I go to from time to time. What's next, will we have to post how many kills we got or maybe how many hand to hand kills. It all sounds kind of silly to me.

This place is a safe haven. Where we can come and not have to get 'approval' that we really are vets or have PTSD. I'll always help anyone that comes here. To me that's what this place is about. We're all in the same shitty boat, so to speak, with PTSD directing our lives. I won't ever minimize what someone else is going through, to me it's just wrong. I've had it done to me and perhaps that's why I feel this way. As always, Just Jar's 'ramblin' 2cents.

Jar

P.S. If I haven't said it before; Welcome Bar. It takes a strong man to talk about what you feel like you have.
 
Well said JarHed. And I think a perfect conclusion to this thread.

Also a reminder that I don't think any of us would trade horrors, regardless of branch, location or otherwise.

Wagon
 
Sorry for posting then disappearing. I've spent the last 5 days in the psyc ward (5150'ed - involutarily admitted). I'm kind of numb at the moment. I am sorry for the shit storm that happened. Yes, I was grasping for straws. As someone else said in this thread, constantly being invalidated (mostly by the VA) can undermine ones self confidance and feelings of self worth. I have been diagnosed with PTSD, but my ex-therapist (I fired him the same day I was admitted to the hospital) wouldn't acknowledge the PTSD part of my prblems very much. He diagnosed it, but wanted to treat my anxiety and depression more.
 
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