Cbt

[The Albatross]

I could not get there Shimmerz on a relational level, but I found I could on an educational/intellectual goal level if that helps.

If you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail... however you have been disinclined to do CBT... so what are you distracting from today and how (if at all)does it/this serve you?

 

[The Albatross]

K so Silver... CBT technique or no, what is it - put in words what your issue is and what your are looking to achieve? Techniques totally aside. What do you want/need?

 

[Silver.]

I don't have a major issue, or a minor issue, that can be resolved through thought process.
I have accepted most things I cannot change.

examples:
-custody problem with mini, I cannot help her father moved 4 hours away, I can only accept that the court will decide the best schedule for her, and right now, she gets extra time at home, and that is all we have wanted considering I have primary custody.
-my house is too pricy for us, but I keep looking for something more affordable, and I am glad it is quiet and we have really good neighbors
-I didn't go to the book club this month, because I couldn't get through the book, but that is okay, because I have next month, and that book looks good
^^
these are thought processes one would have after going through CBT

 

[The Albatross]

Those are thought processes with or without CBT. They are problem solving skills, and emotional reregulation, perhaps you would be better served to look at those than look for negative experiences with CBT?

 

[Silver.]

I am not sure what you are saying, as I don't feel my thought process needs to change.

I am more interested in learning why people have not been successful with CBT, because it was interesting to me to read that article and then learn that it isn't successful to everyone, and for a myriad of reasons that I hadn't even thought about, such as what shimmerz had posted

 

[The Albatross]

K so parting shot cuz I have to leave the house. "I just think that CBT therapists.... " (silver). I did not have access to a CBT therapist and got benefits because I took an educational approach... however it seems to me you are revisiting a point where you were at one time or several, resistant to suggestion and trying to decide if/whether the CBT skill would assist you. Yeah they can, but not with what you brought forward in your last post.

CBT aside, what problem solving skills do you have?

 

[The Albatross]

If you have problems and feel your thought processes do not need to change, then you need to problem solve. Why did CBT pop for you? What are you avoiding.

 

[Silver.]

"I just think that CBT therapists.... " (silver).

I have not said this, and I feel like you are derailing greatly from the purpose of my post. If you have nothing more to add on CBT not working for people, then please refrain from posting here. Thank you

 

[joeylittle]

The article was interesting to me.

I was frustrated by CBT, but benefitted greatly from DBT. In the end, it had to do with pretty slight shifts (I think) in skills application. DBT relies on the foundational concepts of CBT - and I personally believe that anyone with mental health issues is going to benefit from learning the very basics of the CBT platform.

By basics I mean, conceptualizing how a catalyst event (situation) triggers any one of the four responses (thoughts, emotional, physical response, behavior) and how those things are generally working in a domino effect. This image, essentially: https://www.online-therapy.com/files/img/cbt.jpg

I think everyone needs that stuff. It's nothing to do with whether a situation is real - it's simply to do with how we react, as emotional, thinking creatures. Other basics, like how to recognize cognitive distortions, how to use a thought record to challenge things...these are great tools, that are often useful, and (I think) for some people are already intuitive and semi-integrated into their coping strategies. That was my case. It helped to review them, but it felt like a good amount of what I was already doing (although, it was good to learn that I wasn't really doing it in the most useful ways. So even then...stuff to learn).

The first thing mentioned in the article as a reason why CBT might not be right is, in my observation, the biggest thing. She writes:

1. Your therapist may lack skill, experience and education about effective cognitive behavioral techniques.

Yes, yes, a thousand times, yes. And it's a shame that so many people end up thinking CBT isn't useful, just because it was badly applied by an untrained therapist. In some ways, I think people can work a lot of CBT on their own, just through reading and applying it. Not everyone, but many people. ('Mind Over Mood' is one of the workbooks generally recommended - it's written to accommodate people at many different reading levels/thinking levels, pretty user-friendly).

custody problem with mini, I cannot help her father moved 4 hours away, I can only accept that the court will decide the best schedule for her, and right now, she gets extra time at home, and that is all we have wanted considering I have primary custody.

I believe you. I'm going to ask a follow up question, which you are absolutely under no pressure to answer.
When you think about this situation, does it bring up any negative thoughts for you about yourself?

And, one other question:

I don't have a major issue, or a minor issue, that can be resolved through thought process.

Can you share an example of an issue you have that you know cannot be resolved through a thought process?

 

[Friday]

Clarification?

When you say CBT do you mean

- the entire branch of psychology? ((Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is the therapy one receives in Cognitive Behavioral Psychology))

- a specific therapy used in CBT ((which are often short handed as (a) CBT)) also done by a CBT therapist? Or done by any therapist of any branch?

- a specific therapy founded in CBT used by other branches of psychology?

Sorry. Psych background. Your original Q reads to me like asking if people don't like food, when they may very well mean exactly that, or they may mean Asian food, or they may mean ordering Chinese food from the Diarrhea Dragon (Chinese) is horrendous but actually love and adore DimSum (Chinese), as well as Thai, and Vietnamese.

^^^
All answers are fair :) I don't get on well with the entire branch of Psychodynamic Psych, although I like some individual practitioners & would happily work with them until the cows came home (and flat out despise Behavioral Psych, although I've used it); and happen to -often- love Jung, even though his branch is Analytic Psych not Psychodynamic, people often conflate the two. <grin> Just trying to get a better understanding of what you're actually asking. Mostly because my answer would change a lot depending on it.

 

[Silver.]

@joeylittle
As far as mini, I do wish I had a lawyer, but I know that is not possible. I don't feel anything negative about myself regarding this situation, as I know I am doing what I can to make her as comfortable and adjusted as she can with this transition
Being able to afford a lawyer cannot be resolved through a thought process, it comes down to money, of which I don't have. So I will be representing myself (and in turn mini) in court, which I have done in the past.
There is a possibility that it could get frustrating, because I sometimes lose my words, but I know that I can bring in paper, notes for myself, which will help.

@Friday Of my therapists since 1996, there were 3 that tried to walk me through/talk through/practice the skills in CBT.
The first one was specifically a CBT Therapist
and maybe all 3 of them were not trained as they need to be, as all 3 of them have run through different cognitive distortions, have wanted me to come up with an example(s) in my life in which I might apply that I had experienced one of them.
I do say that maybe they weren't as trained as they should be, because they just jumped right into trying CBT without actually getting to know me.
(as in, had we met a few times before starting, and we actually talked, perhaps they would have seen that when things come up in life, I automatically jump into finding the positives or finding resolution.)

As I have said, I am sure that I probably do some of these from time to time, ("shoulds", and I know that my "I am going to die" panic attacks must fall into some of the categories of distortions, but death is inevitable), but more often than not, my brain does not go to these distorted ways of thinking.

(and I would like to add, even though people might think it's nuts, that I do believe that reading The Celestine Prophecy when it first came out, (and then repeatedly through the years) decidedly changed my beliefs, and the way I thought about the world and my interactions. Positive energy plays a key role in this book.)

 

[joeylittle]

Do you think you have any negative core beliefs?