Emerg Services Confusion Over The Hate Of Police By Some Veterans?

[RussH]

I personally do not like what he is doing. I think, as an American citizen, he should respect the ideals this country stands for, and recognize that no organization is perfect, and never will be.
Having said that I am a strong advocate for the right of free speech, and that includes not standing up for the National Anthem, or for that matter, burning the flag. Now I abhor both of these practices, but if we do not honor their right to protest, then we have failed as a free society.

On the other hand, when people choose to make a public protest, then they should be willing to accept the recriminations of a public that disagree with them. Also this QB needs to realize that the first amendment protects his right of free speech from the government, and that protection does not include free enterprise. If the 49er's choose to let him go, that is their right.

 

[joeylittle]

Generalizations about spoiled athletes aside, which I'll take, this guys story is no specific, epic, struggle. Maybe not perfect, who's was? Trust me....star high school and college quarterback beats my life. Single mom? He was adopted by an incredibly decent family from the sound of it.

If your pet peeve is inaccurate generalization......maybe we should look at this hero's statements about the police more clearly?

All I'm saying is that both sides need to be looked at clearly - that's all. Fighting generalization with generalization doesn't help anyone's side. That's just my opinion, honestly - and I truly, truly understand the urge to fight blanket statements with blanket statements. I really do.

That was the only reason I posted. Not to say that he's got some epic struggle that makes him special or different. Kind of the opposite - he had an ordinary life with challenges, same as most. The fact that sports are a bazillion-dollar industry here doesn't mean that everyone in it is a 'player'. He's got his reasons.

I think the socks were completely tasteless and undermined his credibility. And I wish anyone who had their 15 minutes of fame (including the vets you are talking about on CNN) wouldn't use it to say 'all' and 'everybody' - because that is factually inaccurate, and it adds to the problem, doesn't help solve it.

 

[Ka-9]

All I'm saying is that both sides need to be looked at clearly - that's all. Fighting generalizatio...

I follow you Joey, and literally I realize I blanket statement all professional athletes, but I'll suggest partially because they really just create their own stupdity... Michael Vick, This idiot, Prince Shembo, Aldon Smith, Ray Rice, Aaron Hernanadez..... I'm forgetting about 200 more in the NFL alone.

But there's society for you. Football is a ridiculously inane, stupid, unimportant creation. Yet wife beaters, rapists, dog killers, and otheriwse, so long as they catch a ball, society salivates and rewards them. Is what it is.

Cops battle every day in the streets to enforce order, vets get 1/10th of their value in healthcare, and victims of domestic violence are on their own with shelters barely able to operate.... and Colin Kaepernick thinks he's earned the right to speak? nope. He's earned no respect, and has zero right to speak. He's earned multiple millions.... but earned zero credability. He's simply a spoiled, adored, insolent, little boy, who has no concept of sacrafice or service.

 

[joeylittle]

He's simply a spoiled, adored, insolent, little boy, who has no concept of sacrafice or service.

But how do you know that?

See, to me, it's the same as saying that cops put their life on the line every day and are heroes. Some do. Some don't. Some big-league players have coasted on their talent and committed horrible crimes without being held to account. Some haven't. So how do you know who that one football player is, same as how can you know who all cops are?

(I'm really not meaning to bait you or push on this in a way that causes you stress - honestly. For me, this can be more of an intellectual debate. I don't have any personal or family experience on any of these sides we are talking about. I'm not a sports fan, I don't have cops in my family, I've never served my country in any capacity. So feel free to just say that it's personal, and don't respond if I'm adding to your stress cup. I respect your opinions, regardless, and appreciate the dialogue.)

 

[Virtues]

See, to me, it's the same as saying that cops put their life on the line every day and are heroes. Some do. Some don't...

See you can make a blanket statement here because each and every day a cop puts on his/her uniform he/she doesn't know what he/she is in store for. But he/she writes a blank check payable up to the cost of their life... it just comes along with the job. Same as a firefighter, same as the military, and unless you've signed said blank check than you are right about one thing... you don't know. Being a cop doesn't make you a "hero", but on any given day it means you've sworn to put others lives before your own and that is the difference between a cop and a ball player.

 

[joeylittle]

Being a cop doesn't make you a "hero", but on any given day it means you've sworn to put others lives before your own

I see what you are saying. I think, when I look at the actions of some police officers with real histories of violence on the job, I don't see that they have sworn to put others lives before their own. I just don't see that oath in their actions. Again - I am not talking about all officers. I don't even know if I'm talking about most officers; probably not.

I think this is partially why feelings run so high around this issue. There is an expectation that law enforcement will value human life. So, when there are even just a handful of examples where that really appears to not be the case - it's somehow extra-upsetting, because of the faith we put in the meaning of the badge and the uniform. I don't know of anything else to compare it to. I suppose that may be why some people who hold up the expectation, in the right way, get angry at the ones who don't - so, that could be why vets (in a roundabout way) support the actions of Kaepernick. Because there are some individuals who have seriously damaged the meaning of what it is to serve, and their actions cast aspersion on everyone else.

I am still not defending the socks, or that celebrity can in any way be equated with service. Celebrity is a platform; and really, no-one needs to defend the guy, because he's either going to be fired or he isn't. The conversation only needs to be around, does his action have merit, or is it bullshit.

 

[Ka-9]

I see what you are saying. I think, when I look at the actions of some police officers with real hi...

I see what you are saying. I think, when I look at the actions of some police officers with real hi...

This guy's opinion isn't bullshit....he's bullshit.

Look...Ill be brutally blunt. He's a f*cking idiot. His nuts have been sucked his entire teen to adult life because he was a godly gifted quarterback. I know this because I'm a guy who played any sport growing up. He was raised by apparently wonderful caucasion dairy farmers who gave him every opportunity to be filthy rich, and he's bitching about racial injustice? Maybe he should have thanked the Lac Du Fond officer who was gunned down last year for protecting his hometown, before he slipped on his pig socks. Maybe he should hate the father that abandoned him, and not the dead white cop who didn't.

You research this clown and find 1 single sacrafice he made for his country......and not the 1 million dollar tax deduction out of his total 20 million in wage/bonus and endorsement's this year, to try and save his waxed and manicured ass for being a retard. Does he really think he even has a right to dishonor not a flag, but a creed and concept that men and women died for? That's insanity.

Now, I don't care about his world becuase I'm about as excited about pro sports as I am watercolor painting on PBS. However, when he's stupid enough to open his entitled mouth about those who actually hunt the alleys at night, while he's getting a rub down in his cozy pad, he deserves to be given a football sized suppository big enough to split his spleen.

This is all, of course, striclty my deranged opinion. Oh and the cop was Trevor Casper, 21 years old, he was sgt of his high school Color Guard..on his first solo patrol, hit 3 times in his neck and chest, and he still returned fire. But I bet Colin doesn't know his name, he wasn't worth saluting apparently....only Anton Sterling is.

 

[Deleted member 28740]

According to the data, there were 435 police shootings in Chicago from 2010 through 2015, in which officers killed 92 people and wounded 170. In all, officers fired 2,623 bullets.

• Findings show about four out of every five people shot were black males

Chicago police shootings: data reveals 92 deaths and 2,623 bullets fired

The staggering amount of bullets besides the deaths is breath taking.

 

[Weemie]

lmao i came in here pretty neutral (uh, self-identified "ehhh" on the whole police bs)
ka-9 you literally made me cry actual tears of laughter
its like anything you know
life, informs your experiences and your experiences inform your opinions
at the end of the day everybody is human and trying to get by in this universe
some of the coolest people i know are ex mil & ex cops
and ive met some pretty f*cking shitty people in both
the thing is being in a position like that gives you a certain degree of authority
so you get the retarded ones who go ape shit power hungry and when they're met with a vulnerable population
it just turns into a shitshow
or you get good ones who care about the impact of themselves on what they do
you know who care about how they affect others
it all comes down to empathy and reasoning

 

[Ka-9]

According to the data, there were 435 police shootings in [URL='https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...

You did say Chicago....... right?

C'mon, It's a freaking literal warzone. 530 murders SO far, thousands shot, tens of thousands of shootings, and the police are called to each one. Then politicians sit and blame the police so they can save their collective, puckered, shuddering, asses. Purely example- If there's ten thousand shootings, and police end up shooting 10 people, or say 50.... thats not even 1%. That's like handing out speeding tickets at Indy. Not just the street shootings cops attend..... robberies, domestics, stolen vehicles, drug rips, mental health calls etc.

Like lightcraze stated, there's lots of factors and not saying there aren't unjustified shootings, but do you happen to have the exact incident details on every police shooting there? Who says 96 lethal total annual shootings is out of order, when there are ...what....100 shootings a day, 100 robbery calls, 500 domestic calls? You do realize criminals tend to not wish to be caught? The police are at the asshole end of the machine I'm afriad to say- they don't feed it, just get hired to shovel the shit at the bad end. Who's feeding it.

This is like the golden age of entitlement...... "the Police shot my son!, sure he was armed with an AR-15, but he never hurt no nobody" Then the politicians who have allowed some 100,000 peoples, mostly ethnic, to live in complete and utter hellholes that no human should ever live in, suddenly get caught in the headlights, and their like "It's the pigs!, get the pigs! They hate you black people! Look how they all drive around shooting you!, get em!"

but...1 bad cop can out do the great work of 100 good cops...so I understand part of your feeling.

 

[Ka-9]

f*ck me.... I'll get double PTSD for trying to decipher US crime statistics. My point is, what the f*ck has Colin Kaepernickels done to improve anything? Professional athletes have 1 thing in common.... they get payed obscene amounts to play games. Nice.

WTF is he not donating 10 million from his 60-70...100? million 6 year contract then? Why don't citizens donate their $2,000 spent on season tickets to the NFL, to a youth charity?

"Cops are racist! Their shooting little children in the streets! Crime and social ill's are destroying my people! I'm done standing on the sidelines and I'm gonna do something! I'm gonna sit my ass on this here bench for 5 minutes, making $3,000 during that time, hear me roar!"

 

[Sideways]

Maybe the pay they get is way over the top.

But with crime statistics like that, I can understand why people like watching football. Seriously.