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No, I haven't told my psychologist either, not deliberately I just haven't thought to. I don't know what her reaction would be as she has never suggested any sort of support group. I'll tell her next week & see what she thinks.

Personally I think the forum is great, when things are really bad there's always someone here, especially when I can't sleep!
 
I told mine a long time ago and he was supportive about it. Knowing that I could connect with other sufferers and get support for things that we PTSDers 'get' (that others can't) has been a great thing for me.

Honestly, I'm so stubborn...even if he'd poo-poo'd the idea I would have kept up with something that's helped me.

Lisa
 
Hi guys,

I have to agree with Tlight on something here. A lot of people on this forum talk about whether PTSD is 'curable', with many people saying that it isn't. Actually, no mental illnesses at all are 'curable' in the sense that we use the word- there is nothing for any mental illness that will just get rid of it.

We have many different types of treatment but mental illnesses are caused by changes in the brain, and the aim of treatment for any mental illness is to try to either reverse these changes or to lessen their effect or cope with the results of the changes better. This applies whether the treatment is medication or therapy oriented. Research shows how therapy is able to change the brain and how it works- we even have evidence from brain scans showing the biological changes caused by psychotherapy. So even when changes in the brain cause mental illness, this doesn't necessarily mean that the change is irreversible.

PTSD in particular has on average a very good outcome compared to virtually all other mental illnesses. PTSD has a much higher prevalence rate than bipolar and schizophrenia yet far more people with PTSD recover and PTSD results in fewer hospital admissions and suicides than these other serious mental illnesses. Bipolar and schizophrenia are life-long illnesses, whereas the vast people with PTSD do recover with appropriate treatment. I feel that it is important to stress this point rather than to promote very negative views about PTSD and the possibility of recovery, although of course there are exceptions and some people have a much harder time than others on the rocky road to recovery. But we should aim to be positive about the possibility rather than promoting negative images which must surely discourage people who are newly diagnosed or those battling their way through the illness.

Just my take on it! I don't wish to undermine the seriousness of PTSD in any way but I feel as though at times it is being seriously mis-represented with respect to the possibility of recovery and a good outcome.

All the best, KB
 
I'm not a neurologist. I'm just a journalist. And I'm not a sufferer, I'm a carer. But I see a therapist myself who has some expertise in PTSD, because it helps me do my half of keeping my marriage as healthy as possible. We've been discussing exactly this issue a lot.

I've talked with my therapist a lot about that question, because she refers to it as "curable," and the concept bothers me a little. I think that, at least in her case and probably those of other medical professionals, they use the word "curable" to mean that a PTSD sufferers symptoms can get better. But the degree to which they can get better, how long it takes, and how much ongoing treatment is necessary to keep them that way....well, it is different for everyone, and we don't really know all that much about it.

There have apparently been fairly recent studies showing that the brain of a PTSD sufferer is actually different than the brain of a non-sufferer. The hippocampus, which plays a role in memory formation and in processing stress, can be as much as 20% smaller in a PTSD sufferer than a non-sufferer. If you laid two brains on a table in front of some neurologists, they could pick out the PTSD sufferer from the brain of the non-sufferer.

The challenge is different, even, for those exposed as children and those exposed as adults. Some people can remember themselves pre-PTSD and say "I'm thinking differently now," which alters the treatment and, often, what they believe is possible for them. Some people can't.

Think about that one -- my brain and my wife's brain are different. So it's not as if she can just decide to think like I do. We have different types of thinking machines.

In a relationship, it's not fair to say one is a good brain and the other one a flawed brain. Keeping score could be harmful. It's just important to keep in mind that you're approaching everything with different thinking equipment, so a LOT of communication is necessary to ensure everyone gets their needs met.

In my own marriage, we have an ongoing issue with trust, which may be our biggest conflict -- she has a hard time trusting me. She has a hard time trusting anything. It took me a long time, and a lot of therapy, to learn that it's not about me. I can't earn her trust -- her truster is just broke, so to speak. The best we can do is get to a place where she can think to herself "I may not be right to be scared of this right now. It might be PTSD." We actually seem better sometimes when I stop working so hard to try to get her to trust me. That isn't up to me, anyway.

Now, apparently, my therapist tells me, there have been studies in rats showing that damage to the hippocampus can be partially repaired, but never fully repaired, and only over a long time. A rat exposed to extreme stress when they are young develops a smaller hippocampus as it grows. But if the stress is removed, it can actually grow some of it back...but that hippocampus will never be as large as it would have been if they hadn't been exposed to that stress. At least, that's how it's been explained to me, and again, I'm not a scientist.

So I can live with therapists who call it "curable" because I think they mean that, compared to some severe brain diseases like Schizophrenia where no recovery is really possible, PTSD has a pretty good prognosis. Sufferers can reduce their symptoms. But it's a lot of work, there's no proven method that works for everyone, and really, the science of this is very young...hopefully we'll know a lot more in ten or twenty years (god knows, the wars of the last few years have tragically given us a lot of cases for medical science to observe), we'll have therapy techniques that always work and maybe even a drug that helps the therapy along.

But right now, sufferers have to work like hell to get better and carers have to do what they can to help that along while staying physically and emotionally safe. We're all in the dark ages of PTSD treatment.

That's why I'm so amazed by all of the sufferers here working to get better. To me, it looks like every one of you has been asked to move Mt. Everest with their bare hands -- and some days, I see you slide it. Sometimes a few feet, sometimes an eighth of an inch...it doesn't matter. Every day you even put your shoulder into it and try, and I'm just in awe of that. You guys are all incredible.
 
I told my therapist, he was fine with it, has asked me about it a couple of times since. Finding like suffers has always helped people heal, that is why AA and NA and all those other addiction groups are so popular and why therapist (at least mine) had me read "Courage to Heal", that was just the 1980's version of a forum.
 
My psychotherapist recommended that I find a forum for PTSD because he was an intern at the time and had limited knowledge of PTSD. He thought I could benefit from the interaction of other people with similar situations.

Tammy
 
Hey Butigotup, I think you summarised that really well.

For all mental illnesses without exception, changes have now been found in the brain, and the hippocampus and the amygdala are commonly affected by mental illnesses. The hippocampus is quite susceptible to damage, and changes to it (and often the amygdala as well) have been found in depression, bipolar disorder, dementia (particularly Alzheimer's disease) and also schizophrenia in addition to PTSD. Thus in most (if not all) mental illnesses these two structures are affected- not surprising given that they are linked to memory and emotional regulation. These changes can either be seen structurally (i.e. the amygdala is physically a different size) or functionally (i.e. there is more or less activity in this area compared to a normal brain). Different types of brain scan can detect these two sorts of changes. So whilst it is possible for brains with mental illness to be differentiated from completely healthy brains, it is presently extremely difficult to identify which brain has a certain mental illness just by looking at brain scans (possibly with the exception of some types of dementia).

However, the brain is plastic- that is, it can adapt. When we undertake therapy, whether it be drugs or ECT or psychotherapy, we cause more changes in the brain. The jury is still out to some degree on whether we are reversing changes or whether we are making new pathways in the brain which replace the old pathways that no longer work, but we can see in people with depression that the brain can return to normal functioning even after a very severe episode. Whilst the brain is clearly abnormal at the time of the illness (as shown on scans), it can recover and post illness scans may be normal again. There is less research on PTSD with respect to this but I have no doubt that research of this type will be underway somewhere.

So let's all keep our fingers crossed that one day they will have it sussed!
Best wishes everyone, KB
 
There's an interesting thread on here somewhere as regards stimulating right brain activity (ie. playing an instrument with the left hand, provided you are not ambidextrous already).

Somewhere, I think there is something to that. Especially since it is the right side of the brain predominantly responsible for emotion, intuition, etc, and yet the left containing the centres for language expression, of these feelings.
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I told my current therapist about this site early on and it was recorded as proof that I had been trying to help myself throughout my struggle. My first therapist was not interested in hearing about the forum, nor too serious about treating me, but my second therapist advised caution (which I always am online) and to continue to use it if it provided me with resources and support.
 
I haven't - just as I don't mention every article I read. I feel I use this site for information, or to see if anyone else has experienced something - but the details and the actual therapeutic interaction I keep face to face.
 
I haven't told my counselor. i think he'd think it was good for me, but I'd be paranoid that he'd come looking for me. Highly unlikely, but I've learned that I have a right to protect my privacy!
 
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