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General Fubar! hubbies brother will think very lowly of us

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Backstory: My spouse is a vet and from a military background. When you read this you must keep in mind how much having your things in order is valued in the military. His family does not do feelings. They keep a stiff upper lip. He has several brothers who know he has PTSD. We employ a cleaner. Everybody in his family just lives for spit and polish. You can eat from the floor in their homes, they pay so much attention to orderliness, smartness of appearance and so. Last weeks have been pretty shitty and pretty stressful and I never found the time to give the bathroom a proper cleaning. The day before my vet, who had been sleeping very, very poorly for days, was so knackered in the evening. When he had a shower he just threw his clothes, a shampoo bottle and so on on the floor.
When we were cleaning up the day before, some of his siblings were coming to visit, we said „let’s just clean only the first two floors because nobody will see the third floor anyway“. The third floor looked so horrible. We already employ a cleaner and I do a whole lot of cleaning, but our children trash any place in no time.
So his siblings arrived, my vet did not have the time to shave (it was in the morning when they came and he had slept poorly in the night and slept in), but apart from that everything was fine. So we ate, drank, talked... but then one of my Vets brothers needed to use the toilet. We have one guest toilet and the one in the bathroom upstairs. To my shock and horror I realised that he was going upstairs. After a while he came down again holding the shampoo bottle.
This brother typically is not very friendly, but rather blunt, but now he talked in a very friendly and mild voice „Is this your bottle of shampoo“ showing it to my vet and then he said, he had cleaned up the bathroom a little and hoped we did not mind and then he drew a deep breath and asked my vet for how long he did not shave, taking his hand and striking it gently. He made it sound like my hubby had not shaven for weeks and looked like a tramp living under a bridge. Then another one of his brothers said „Yes, you did not shave. I noticed it too. Would you like to shave? I do not mind, but some people are idiots and care about those things“ in a gentle voice... like talking to a sick child. Then he went to shave and we continued to eat.
Why is this so bad? Because typically folks in his family are not like that. I mean noticing someone did not shave is very much like them... but talking in such a gentle voice, being that friendly, striking someone’s hand is not. Calling people for care for appearance idiots is so unlike them... because they actually ARE those people who care for this.
I just think that they now started to believe we are beyond all help.

I am feeling just so bad about myself. I let my hubby sleep in by switching of the alarm clock because I thought he needed his sleep, otherwise he would have shaven and maybe also cleaned up a little more.

I am just so saddened by their reaction. I would have loved to be told by them that it is disrespectful to have such a chaotic home when you invite guest and that it was disrespectful of hubby not to shave but this...

Thanks for reading.
 
You did a nice thing for him by letting him sleep in. I would have chimed in with something like , "I think a bit of stubble is sexy."

I would be more than a little pissed of by it. I am sorry that he has judgmental assholes for siblings. A spotless house with children doesn't make for a very happy home. If I go to a home with children, I expect the lived in look. As for the comments about his shaving, I am mentally slapping the sibling upside the head since I feel bad for you guys but can't exactly do anything about it from my end. :hug:
 
Thanks! *sniff* You know, they were not even acting judgemental. Typically they are judgemental and I got used to this... but yesterday they seemed to be concerned. They seemed to feel sorry for us *sniff*.
One of his brothers even cleaned our bathroom a bit and as we parted hugged him and told him to call when he needed something. He must have been so shocked by the chaos in the bathroom. That was really the worst room in the house but I thought nobody would see it because we have another toilet.
They were concerned by the stubble on his chin because we went out later that day and they did not want anybody to see him that way... but I am sure he would have shaved later anyway.
I feel that we got treated like the senile old greatgrandpa some people have or like the crazy homeless person living under the bridge who must be patronized.
Really ashamed and do not know how to look them in the eye next time we met.
 
You're a lot more polite than I am... I would have told them to mind their own business.

It's your house, you'll clean or not clean it as you please.

It's his face, he'll shave or not shave it if he wants.

If a shampoo bottle on the floor makes them concerned, what do they do when he's really sick and symptomatic? Maybe they need an education in PTSD.
 
Not sure if I'm reading correctly - apologies if not - but you seem to be saying that you are used to a more direct and abrasive approach from them and its the change to something softer that's bothering you?

Sounds to me like they might be concerned about him? Has there been anything else happen recently that might have made them switch to a more gentle approach or to maybe make them more worried about how he might be doing?

taking his hand and striking it gently.
talking in such a gentle voice, being that friendly, striking someone’s hand
Did you mean to write 'striking' here, or 'stroking'?
 
Yes @digger. Typically they are blunt and rather unfriendly. It is the way they are and they do not mean I’ll. It is just they way they talk, they are a bit rough around the edges.

The reaction I expected was something like „Your bathroom looks like a dung heap. You are dirty“, but he did not say anything like that. Instead he was that friendly. That‘s very unusual. I think he started feeling sorry for us *sniff*. I hate it so much when people feel sorry for me.
He acted as if he thinks we are just beyond all help...

The third floor looked really, really bad, the bathroom looked really, really bad. *sniff* in fact it looked the worst it has ever looked.

Yes, he STROKE his hand.
 
@Sweetpea76: My Vet‘s symptoms are „invisible“, he often sleeps poorly and that makes it difficult for him to function during the day, he cannot do crowds and noises very well and he avoids those things, but he does not act out or have fits of anger.
He startled easy but he does not show it, you cannot see it from the outside
 
I think I'd be even more concerned if they totally ignored everything that didn't seem "usual" and didn't mention it at all, given their track record of spotlessness and such, as you mentioned.

I think I might be somewhat relieved that in their noticing, they didn't choose to be abrasive assholes, for a change, and would likely have to ask them what brought their change of heart in how they are choosing to communicate.

I think they may already realize the significance of how he's feeling inside since they are also former service members, maybe more than they ever care to share, but similar feelings/experiences/exposures are still very much there.

I think I would have mentioned to please only use the other bathroom once they arrived if I didn't want them to see the other.

I think I'd ask the hubby how the whole scene made him feel before I let my "what ifness" brain get carried away with its usual self-defeating dialogue that ends up convincing me things are way much worse than they actually are, and wasting precious energy trying to accurately assume the thoughts of others, which is impossible from the get go.

I think I'm just randomly pulling straws from the air based on very little actual knowledge of your situation, so I hope it's somehow helpful.

If it's something that can be done and both of you can comfortably be on board with it, let them help when and where you actually could use a hand, as it sounds like you're overwhelmed in trying to keep up.

I very clearly remember having to totally re-evaluate my own expectations of cleanliness once becoming a f/t step-mom. White glove test shit wasn't going to cut it any longer. Reality trumped my former lifelong conditioning and it was such a huge weight off my shoulders, after the initial freak-out period.

Familiar genuine support from a place of love can be smoother and much more nurturing in the long run, from my experiences, compared to that of well-meaning strangers, with a few rare exceptions.

If it's coming strictly from a place of simply wishing to keep up false appearances and not make the family look bad, then that needs to be addressed in its own way, too.

Asshole behavior needs clear boundaries put into place, regardless of who the asshole is.

May relief from those feelings and the overall overwhelm be on the way and may it decide to stay.
 
I think you are seeing it as being judged, and then not having feelings. Honestly i agree with @digger that in this instance this is how they are showing concern. One of the first "signs" they teach you in the military to look for regarding PTSD is not shaving, not pressing uniforms, and disheveled things in general. So by saying other idiots, not him... he might be trying to get him to shave because he might think (wrongly) that him shaving will help his PTSD or keep others from seeing it, I guess. Also saying he is not bothered by it showing he isn't judging.
I know that the ONLY time my vet is clean shaven every day is when we're visiting his father (parents).
I also know when he came home from deployment, before they released him, he stayed for treatment. His friend was there for a while too. He would mention shaving to my S/O out of concern...I think it's just how they're trained to notice...

So I think it is out of concern and not judgement. It doesn't make any of the other behavior okay, but hopefully it helps you know there was hopefully no "lowly thoughts" in this.
 
When my brother in law visited the last time the guest toilet did not work so he had to use the one upstairs, but we had it repaired and I told everybody so when they arrived. He is actually physically disabled and I think climbing stairs is difficult for him. Why he went upstairs nevertheless? No idea. When I realized he did I just had a freeze reaction and did not stop him. Would have been easier for him too.

It is okay when they are just concerned but I am so worried that they started to feel sorry for us the way you feel sorry for people who are crazy psychological basketcases and beyond help.
I hate the idea of people looking down on us, feels so bad.
 
How can I find out if they already started looking down on us? How can I stop them from doing so?

Are there any bulletin boards for people like my vets siblings like spit and polish-the bulletin board. I guess not. Only joking, but it would be nice then I could ask people like them how they think about it.

I know my vet is very judgmental of people who are unkempt and unclean. If he had been invited to an unclean house he would have been shocked.
 
Gonna see them again on Christmas and I feel like I really do not want to. I don‘t know how I am going to look them in the eye because they might feel that we are scum :(
 
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