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[RC135Linguist]

I must admit that emotion hits me hard from time to time. It is that silly voice saying "run away old soldier"..... and run away I do!

Nonetheless, I am less fearful of crowds when I am carrying my .45 ACP (Colt Combat Commander). No, I'm not about to go on some shooting rampage. I went through the my state's licensing for a concealed carry permit... You Brits, Aussies and Canucks may not understand and / or approve, but the right to bear arms is deeply ingrained in the American psyche. There is nothing like having a little "back-up" ready at hand in case the shit hits the fan.

You just made me laugh. Thanks! I also carry something to help me deal with stressful places and situations. It's called Xanax, and it fits nicely into my pocket as well.

 

[Tim Cake]

:sneaky: Pocket, schmocket! The Colt resides in a nice Bianchi shoulder rig!:sneaky:

 

[Tim Cake]

You just made me laugh. Thanks! I also carry something to help me deal with stressful places and situations. It's called Xanax, and it fits nicely into my pocket as well.

My doctor's medicine of choice is a golden oldie -- propranalol, a beta blocker. It seems to keep the fight / flight reaction under control. This side effects are well known as opposed to that of the newer meds. Bonus -- this stuff is very inexpensive.

 

[Sarg]

Welcome Guam!

Glad you're here but sorry for what brought you here.

Being a military brat, the kids that Dad's got stationed in Guam equated it to dieing. Nothing to do, period! On top of that, now that Agent Orange is out of it's ugly lair, Guam is being pegged where they dumped not only AO but an ungodly amount of other nasty stuff and it's been in the water supply for ages.

I landed there once but luckily just took on fuel and got the hell out. Not a place I'd like to spend my golden years (whatever's left).

Sarg

 

[Anglesachse]

Seriously Tim, and no I am not trying to wind you up or take the piss. It is something that does intrest me, because like you said, "We do not Understand" allthough I may well for my part never understand the reasons.

.................Nonetheless, I am less fearful of crowds when I am carrying my .45 ACP (Colt Combat Commander)...................

What do you think a Crowd is going to do, that makes you carry a gun?
The Colt Commander rigged for .45ACP has a 7 round clip, (as I believe) If a crowd is going to do anything, and for me a crowd is 20+, what are you actualy going to be able to do?

You will probably be looking at double tapping to ensure the target goes down, which gives you on a good day 4 targets down. Providing you would be quick enough before you were over run.

Realisticaly, with a crowd that is bent on getting you, you are looking at 2 targets downed before you are over run.

So what is the up side to carrying?

If you had it where it could be seen, to intimidate, that I could understand because people would be more inclinded to leave you alone and keep their distance, but having it concealed no body knows you have it. And knowing that you aren`t going to make a real dent in a crowd with 7 rounds, it just seems a waste of time.

.................but the right to bear arms is deeply ingrained in the American psyche............

This is also something that we often hear. But is it realy? If it is, then it would surely mean that every American would carry one or at least the majority. And we know that is not the case. I dare say, that the majority of families in the US do not have a gun.

So just how ingrained is it? And exactly who is "Permitted" to claim that right?

As I understand, a convicted felon is not allowed to have a gun and therefore looses the right to bear arms. (I may be wrong on that, but that is how it come across)

There are also other countries around the world who no doubt claim to have the same right! That there have been guns in the family cupboard for hundreds of years. And that they therefore should be able to keep them to protect themselves and family.

But how many weapons get taken off Civvy Afghan families or Iraqi`s or any other`s come to that like in Bosnia and Kosovo, who have had a gun in the house for a long time before 2000 and in many case`s for nigh on 100 years, for there own protection. And are not Military minded or members of a terrorist organisation.

This seem to be rather two faced when you consider the right to bear arms then seems to be a Right that only "Certian" American`s are allowed. It would definitely seem to be a case of Pot and Kettle in my opinion. And therefore surely destroys the foundations on which the Right to Bear Arms is laid.

 

[Jimmy1]

You know this is a good topic, maybe one for the general forum, not as an introduction.

I will start it.

 

[Anglesachse]

Sorry, Jimmy I seem to allways forget.........

Cheers cocker.

Copied and pasted over to the new thread.

 

[Tim Cake]

Seriously Tim, and no I am not trying to wind you up or take the piss. It is something that does intrest me, because like you said, "We do not Understand" allthough I may well for my part never understand the reasons.



What do you think a Crowd is going to do, that makes you carry a gun?
The Colt Commander rigged for .45ACP has a 7 round clip, (as I believe) If a crowd is going to do anything, and for me a crowd is 20+, what are you actualy going to be able to do?

You will probably be looking at double tapping to ensure the target goes down, which gives you on a good day 4 targets down. Providing you would be quick enough before you were over run.

Realisticaly, with a crowd that is bent on getting you, you are looking at 2 targets downed before you are over run.

So what is the up side to carrying?

If you had it where it could be seen, to intimidate, that I could understand because people would be more inclinded to leave you alone and keep their distance, but having it concealed no body knows you have it. And knowing that you aren`t going to make a real dent in a crowd with 7 rounds, it just seems a waste of time.



This is also something that we often hear. But is it realy? If it is, then it would surely mean that every American would carry one or at least the majority. And we know that is not the case. I dare say, that the majority of families in the US do not have a gun.

So just how ingrained is it? And exactly who is "Permitted" to claim that right?

As I understand, a convicted felon is not allowed to have a gun and therefore looses the right to bear arms. (I may be wrong on that, but that is how it come across)

There are also other countries around the world who no doubt claim to have the same right! That there have been guns in the family cupboard for hundreds of years. And that they therefore should be able to keep them to protect themselves and family.

But how many weapons get taken off Civvy Afghan families or Iraqi`s or any other`s come to that like in Bosnia and Kosovo, who have had a gun in the house for a long time before 2000 and in many case`s for nigh on 100 years, for there own protection. And are not Military minded or members of a terrorist organisation.

This seem to be rather two faced when you consider the right to bear arms then seems to be a Right that only "Certian" American`s are allowed. It would definitely seem to be a case of Pot and Kettle in my opinion. And therefore surely destroys the foundations on which the Right to Bear Arms is laid.

Angel -- no offense taken! The right to bear arms has become an American "civic religion". We just have a different view of firearms ownership than most Europeans and Brits. I grew up with the Colt M1911 pistol. The .45 ACP round (especially semi-wadcutter slugs that I use) has excellent knock down capabilities on the first shot to the center of body mass. Hence no double tapping needed. My experience in OIF with the Beretta M-9 (9mm) reinforced my love of the 45 ACP -- a big, slow round that deposits much more of its muzzle energy on target than the 9mm.

 

[T^3]

My doctor's medicine of choice is a golden oldie -- propranalol, a beta blocker. It seems to keep the fight / flight reaction under control. This side effects are well known as opposed to that of the newer meds. Bonus -- this stuff is very inexpensive.

Glad to here others are having luck with this type of med...they switched me over to a calicum channel blocker since it's a bit stronger and won't bottom out my blood pressure.

 

[T^3]

And welcome Guam,
We get a bit distracted here...

 

[JarHed]

Hey Guamhaze

Welcome. Don't know if you've been to Guam. Stopped their on my way to 'Nam. I looked down and thought, 'We're going to land there?????'. It's a mighty small island in a HUGE ocean.

JarHed

 

[Squaddiedave]

Welcome buddy,
pull up a chair, make a brew and join in the ramblings