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We are all constantly changing. What we want at 20, at 30, and at 40, are usually all very different. At my age I can look back and see that so clearly. Those who are very young early 20") may not believe that because they dont know the direction of their growth. I think that is one of the reasons of the high divorce rate. Second marraiges are twice as likely to fail. That is been attributed to the fact that people dont fix what caused the break up the first time around. Example: Say a guy is a workaholic and spend no time with wife and kids-they divorce- he cleans his act up temorarily, he dates, pays more time and attention to the relationship needs, and remarries one year after his divorce. Now that he is married he goes back to his old ways.. Happens a lot.

In a new relationship where we feel in love, or in lust, the chemicals in our brain actually change for the first several months. This prevents us from seeing things as they really are. Our perceptions are skewed. We have all heard about some good looking sociopath coming along and meeting up with a recent widow with money. He wines and dines and in less than a year her life savings is gone. Often people say, "how could she be so foolish" Those of us that do not have a big bank account can have our life disrupted just as bad.

Prettysimile-an old saying with some truth "Women marry hoping the man will change, men marry hoping she will stay the same". I think it is more difficult for many men to express their emotions, to seek counseling, etc-to do the things that ultimately lead to healing and to change. I think you nailed your own question as to weather you would be getting along better-I don't know but it sounds like a very valid point that you likely know best as it does happen. When one person becomes healthier, grows, achieves their dreams, etc, and the other does not-both are blatently aware of it regardless of if it is discussed or not. Often a break up ends and one of the three A's appear to be the cause (Abuse, Addiction,, Adultry) but something else was going on first. Sometimes that something else is a character flaw as in your fiance. How can a man be planning a wedding and cheating? That is horrible and I am sorry that you had to go through that but glad you did not get stuck with the guy. You must have been very vulnerable at the time. I can see how your marine could come along and make you feel so much better, take away some of the pain of the present situation. I have been there too- I had someone who make me feel beautiful, smart, etc who adored me. I need to feel those things about myself without a man and then I will be ready to meet a guy who also has his own self confidence. I also know how it feels to have to comfort someone who says "Im not good enough for you". That must be hard right now

Anthony posted something about relationships that was very good but I cant remember the thread. He talked about all of the realities in a relationship and being compatable on issues of money, parenting, etc. I think if we dealth with a relationship as if we were in a business together, we would be asking more of the right questions and we would be more inclined to hold ourself and partner accontable for behaviors.

Spokane I think youre right about guys wanting to get into a quick relationship. I think its easy to put your best face first for many months-but you cant do it forever. Men and women both do this. Somethimes I do think these fast relationships do work out but just more the exception than the rule.
 
It's also interesting too what type might interest us at a certain age. But years later we look back at that person and think "what did I ever see in that person" I'm speaking from my own personal experience on this issue.
 
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I told you that I would look the statement about 1 year up for you. I have the information in my notes from grad school as the stages came from a text book as well (stages called by different names depending on theory or writings)

Although I do not trust all I read on net -here is one link -www.relationship-help.com/artilclesdetail.asp?id=64

This article describes the Enchantment state as lasting an average of 6-8 months-during which times our brain chemicals lead us to see things very differently. Some describe this stage as like a drug and others even say it is compared to a mental illness. This article describes the next stage as Power Struggle-in this stage we actually begin addressing issues in the relationship, maybe having second thoughts. If we work through this stage, we go on to the next stage which is the most stable.

I think most describes the love sick stage as lasting an average of 6 months. That is when we start regaining our good sense. Once we do that-we are able to pose good questions and see things differently. This is when we might noticing how he treats his mother, waitresses, his kids. We might notice his work ethic more realistically, how he honors obligations. We may have noticed some earlier but may have been in denial. Now we may be critical. We may start to argue. In this stage we begin addressing real conflicts. Now we speak up and get to see how he responds. If we have moved across the country to be with this man/woman, or given up our apartment to move in with him/her, or have already married them, or pregnant, etc. the panic will be greater and getting out of a situation will be much harder than if we begin this work and see some positive results (not as in the first stage that was dillusional). This is the start of resovling conflicts or accepting differences. If we feel stuck because we have already invested too much, we will be less empowered and more inclined to stick it out-sometimes tolerating behaviour that we would otherwise not accept.
 
Getting back to the question...... I'll answer on behalf of Anthony and myself.

Anthony and his now ex wife moved into the rental house next to mine when their previous landlord sold the house they were renting whilst under a posting to Melbourne from Townsville.

I did not know my new neighbors other than my son played with the older boy next door.

Over Christmas 2006 I took my son to Germany and Paris while I had just started dating a man. While I was overseas my 'boyfriend' wasn't interested in keeping in contact and said we will catch up when he gets back. I spent $70 on a phone call to tell him I was ending the relationship as if that was the romance stage what would it be like years down the track when he wasn't on his best behavior. I came back to Melbourne in January 2007 being completely over men.

Anthony and his then wife, unbeknown to me had split in my absence with it becoming final in the end of January 2007. Early Feb 2007 Anthony came over and introduced himself while I was watering the front lawn and said he had recently separated. In my mind I thought "run for the hills" so I quickly tried to get inside but not before he invited me to his son's upcoming birthday since the boys played together. Anthony swears he was off women at that time and his only intention was to be neighborly.

My son's birthday was a week before Anthony's son's and that weekend, while taking my son on a treat I met a guy while reading my Dr Phil relationship book of all things! :rolleyes: Pretty sad huh?!

Anyway the following weekend this guy asked me out and I said no as I wanted to do the ironing and go to bed. He offered to come and help do the ironing but I was so sick of men I thought no, time to do what I need to do for me. I saw Anthony walk by the back fence and he said to come over if I wanted. Told him no as I was doing the ironing.

9pm comes along and I decided I should give my son the house key as I wanted to lock up since there was a party of 16 year olds next door. Went next door to give my son the spare key and I sat down and started talking to Anthony. Hours passed and I ended up taking girls home to save them from making a life changing mistake due to them consuming alcohol.

Left with my son about 4am and mentioned I had to work that day (Sunday). Anthony said he didn't work so I jokingly said "you can make me dinner then" and he said ok.

Went over for dinner and we talked - for days actually and had similar thoughts, values and views on life. Both had decided we were over the other sex yet we spent every day together. We decided to start seeing each other and even agreed to keep sex out of the equation as we both agreed you can never go back from that.

That's it pretty much..... had a few rough patches where Anthony's ex purposely made him sick especially after he told her he was dating me (in front of me and not requested :)) and wouldn't let him see the kids. He gave me an info sheet on PTSD a couple of weeks in but I really didn't comprehend it until I saw it happen.

I found myself going to counselling as his behavior triggered my own abuse & abandonment issues etc and I learned really quickly not to deal with anything unreasonable and today things are really great most of the time.
 
Grr! Here I am thinking I need to work on myself, and am better off not dating, and a friend of a friend started flirting with me over the last few days. I just turned down a real-time conversation with him. Social anxiety wonk, worried about how I would respond without being able to think about it first. So silly.

Not sure this is the best timing anyway... (I can't really ever tell, when I use that excuse, whether it's just an excuse to avoid opening my heart to a person or whether it really is bad timing. I tend to think romantic possibilities probably don't even show up on my radar when the timing is really "bad." But I'm so good at talking myself into, or out of, anything, that I can't tell where my truth is on this. Probably the best thing is whatever I feel is right deep down.) But my, I do enjoy our conversations. I wish I could figure out whether I really am ready to take steps to work through my stuff with people and, even if I feel like that is possible and healthy - how I wish I could get out of my own way sometimes.

Some of my "stuff" to work through boils down to making a decision and sticking with it, and not running from emotional connection before it even develops.

Nicolette, thank you that was a beautiful story. I like hearing about the ways people meet up when they aren't looking to. :) I'm really glad the two of you seem to work so well together. I'm glad the two of you were living near each other or your sworn-off-the-opposite-sex commitments may have gotten in the way of your happiness!

brat, thank you for posting the resource and more information. I guess I was confusing the romance phase with lust maybe. There's also a stage that lasts about three or four months. Meant to encourage perpetuation of the species;) I can see how the lifespan you describe played out in my last LTR. I don't think either of us knew what we were doing. But then we dated late teens to early 20s so I'm not even surprised.
 
About the mirroring, yes I think there is definite truth to that. Including the stuff that annoys us in a partner, I find. I refer to it as shadow work, if the behavior is not at all like me and I cannot stand it - then it's something I do have in me, that I'm just not accepting. And then sometimes the annoying stuff is stuff I know I have in me that I just don't care for.

The mirroring works for positive things too. At one time I had an anxious attachment style, and I was dating someone who also had an anxious style. Result was codependency where we needed the partner to need us. Nowadays my style has been more ambivalent, and that's shown in the ambivalent push-pull style of the last couple people I dated. I know someone who wants to date me but I'm not interested. He has an anxious style also.

I'd like to mirror someone in being loyal, committed, caring, generous, good at listening, mature, playful. Someone oriented towards growth and communication as I am. All the time I spend talking to others about relationships tells me I really want one. I hope my upcoming start of therapy will assist me in working through my baggage about it.
 
How about you stop thinking it through for awhile doglover and just treat any possible 'relationship' the same as you would be with a new friendship - forget about the romance and don't over think it. When you try too hard you send that message out into the universe.

Find happiness in yourself and be who you want to be - then you have a better chance of attracting the right person for you.

Being 'fed up with the other sex' is the same as being happy by oneself and with one's own company. May I suggest you learn from the past as to what didn't work for you instead of analyzing it. I get the impression you are approaching it as a test on performance instead of letting things happening naturally and learning what ever experience you were meant to have. People come into your life for a reason, a season and a lifetime. It was only after dating a lot of jerks that I knew what I didn't want - and Anthony didn't display those traits when I met him so I went with that as a starting point and was open to the experience knowing that if it didn't work all it meant was that we weren't the right people for each other.

Yes you do mirror the people around you - you attract who you are. I think the first step is putting the mirror away, become the best person you can be and be open moving forward rather than measuring up the past. The past makes us who we are today. Don't be too judgmental also initially as anxious could be nervous...... nothing ventured - nothing gained. What harm can giving someone a chance be? If someone really turns you off then that's a different story but I feel you are very self critical and perhaps project those standards on others before even really knowing them. I get you are cautious and that is good but worst case scenario is you go on a horrible first date...... it's really not as complex as I find I am reading.

If you had asked me would I date Anthony after the first time I met him I would have said not in a million years and the only basis for that judgement was due to him being recently separated and I didn't want to be a rebound! And here we are coming up to 5 years down the track and things getting better and not worse with PTSD x 2.
 
Thank you, Nicolette, that sounds like good advice.

I analyze when I'm anxious. Had a stressful day so I'm not surprised if I sound analytical. It's also my way of trying to avoid getting hurt.

Less thinking and more feeling... is probably the more natural way. I wish feeling weren't such a scary proposition. When I'm not in stress mode it's a bit easier to consider. Thank you, you gave me lots of good suggestions. :)
 
When one person becomes healthier, grows, achieves their dreams, etc, and the other does not-both are blatently aware of it regardless of if it is discussed or not. Often a break up ends and one of the three A's appear to be the cause (Abuse, Addiction,, Adultry

Wow Brat.. This is what happened with Both My ex-fiance and with My marine. I met my ex fiance at the tender age of 16 and as we got older. I did all the right things to prepare for my future. I went to college and got Bachelors degree. My fiance seemed very supportive at the time. But he'd always complained how he feels like a failure. He had dropped out of highschool. He never held a real job. But I was young. I was in love with him and just prayed that he'd clean up his act. Conveniently (for him) in my senior of college, I turned up pregnant. He was the happiest person on earth meanwhile I was worried soo much about how it will affect me graduating on time. His exact words were " well no matter what, now we will always be together". Now looking back I feel as if that was his plan. To "Trap" me becuase he felt I would leave him once I finished college. I was also a part-time model at the time ( he hated it ) So being pregnant, I couldnt do that anymore. Well I did graduate from college Ontime with honors (with the support of my parents). I found an amazing Job as a paralegal, making decent money at the age of 22yrs old. Long story short after 8yrs into our relationship he did find a Job working nights at a bar as a bouncer, we fought constantly, mostly about finances and him getting a regular job to make better money. I threatened to leave and a few weeks later he proposed to me on Christmas eve.

But your right I never had any women problems with him throughout our relationship, he was a good Dad. Mostly the stay at home dad. Now engaged at 25yrs old back then. I was the bread winner and I totally see what you mean when you said that when the other person better themselves and the other one does not; a breakup is near by or one of the three A's. His was Adultry.

Completly broken, Thats when I met my Marine. I told you what happened with that. His "A" was Alochol Abuse. But I thought that was related to his combat PTSD. Well Now this explains why he constantly breaks up with me and say we are too different and that I deserve better.
 
I got married at 17 to my high school sweet heart. I was pregnant. At 6 or 7 months pregnant, he threw a paint brush at me and hit me in the face(loaded with paint0 because he said I was a bad painter.After 6 yrs of abuse, I got out. A year or so later a met my 2nd husband. He was very calm (I actually thought boring) but a therapist told me I just had a history of too much drama in my life, so I ignored, and after 3 years married him. He was reliable and certainly stable and showed little emotion. I was able to do a lot of healing during this time. We had 2 great kids and a fairly calm life with the exception of me having some illness. However, he was never really there for me. He works and is a good provider but does not look out for anyone but himself. I use to think he was passive agressive, now realize that he has no empathy for other. There is no recipricating with him. Almost like Asbergers. I grew in many ways, but mostly, I grieved never really having a good friend in him as he was always absent. There were never the A's, however, when I was in grad school I think he sensed me slipping away. After 17 yrs of marraige and nothing, he sent me flowers and stuff-(thats when I was really needing a text book). We split up not long after and its tough when kids are teens. I would prefer my ptsd to his inablity to have emotions. He denies family dysfunction and alcoholic parents etc. We remain amicable as possible.....The End
 
My husband and I meet 7 years ago at Arby's. I was his manager and I actually pursued him. He seemed very safe that the last guy I was dating who had just physically abused me. My husband was in college, a virgin and submissive. I thought he was perfect for someone like who liked to be have things my way. lol Couple months later we started dating and I eventually got pregnant and it has been one hell of a roller coaster, I have left him a few times but for some reason we keep getting back together and though he isn't perfect and def not submissive anymore he tells me it doesn't matter how much I push him away he loves me and if I want to come back he will be there. :)
 
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