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How Does Memory Work?

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I'm hoping that I've overcome forgetting what happens in my life by breaking down all the past traumas and separating them from each other. I want to confront anything new as a separate issue. I think then, that it won't overwhelm me as much because it won't be associated with so much pain... just the pain of the moment. I need to deal with things as they come up. I need to stop waiting until it is too late to take action.

Am I on the right track to fix my memory?
 
....Wishing I hadn't added the last 2 paragraphs above....I know how it makes me sound/look.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong in those last 2 paragraphs. How do you think it makes you look/sound? As far as I see it you were telling the truth about your experiences. I don't understand the cause or whether it is dissociation, so I can't help you on that - sorry. But please don't feel embarrassed about writing what happened to you. No one is here to judge you. :hug:
 
I know it makes me look 'crazy'...'psychotic'....having that happen, along with similar incidents, makes me feel crazy, so I'm assuming that's how it makes me sound/look too.
 
So, all the times that I've been upset with my T. and have felt like he hasn't been listening or doesn't care when I have been telling him things I remember, he's actually been doing the right thing by just letting me talk and only asking if I remember anything else and not asking any other questions. Or when I have told bits and pieces of a trauma here and there, and it has taken months sometimes to tell the whole story, he's done the right thing by not bringing it up himself or by not asking things like "are you saying that X or X happened? Sometimes I just wanted HIM to fill in the blanks or come to his own conclusions, and I have been frustrated many times because he hasn't.
Exactly the right thing... it is soooooooo tempting for anyone to fill in the blanks, but a really good trauma therapist, won't do it, because they understand the complications of false memory implantation.

Exactly as you stated, you want them to fill in the blanks, whether you remember it or not, and if they did... you would just accept and trust what their saying in that trusted position, when in fact they do not know what happened to you, nor have such insight... only your brain knows what happened, and that's IF it took in the event to memory to begin with.
Am I on the right track to fix my memory?
I would say... yes.
 
I know it makes me look 'crazy'...'psychotic'....having that happen, along with similar incidents, makes me feel crazy, so I'm assuming that's how it makes me sound/look too.
Maybe someone without any knowledge of PTSD, or trauma, might think that. But this forum is a safe place to discuss such issues. You are far more likely to have people here saying they can relate to that, than think you are crazy.

Don't try to second guess how you think people here will react. If we worry about that, I don't think anyone would post anything!

And for the record, I don't think you are crazy or psychotic :)
 
Lately I have been having memories pop in, it seems like they're out of the blue, but maybe something's triggering them, I don't know.

Usually,when I remember something, I can see it in my mind and I don't really connect to it at all, it's like I'm watching a short film clip about some other kid/person. Most times, I'm seeing myself from across the room, from above, beside,etc. Like it's me, yet it's not since I'm seeing it from different angles and can't really connect any emotions to it. Alot of the time, I would eventually feel something, but it would take awhile, sometimes days, weeks, even months....sometimes not at all.

But recently,I have been seeing things differently. For instance, I can see that I'm lying on a bed, someone is above me, holding me down by my arms. I can see the look on their face, and I can feel the fear I felt, how my body felt what was done to me,etc. and it causes a surge of panic when I think about it.

I definitely don't like this change. It was much easier to talk or think about things when I felt nothing, and when I was seeing it from different angles.

Another difference now is it no longer seems unreal or that these things happened to someone else. I know they happened to ME. And it makes me feel so anxious and depressed.

What is happening? Why the change NOW?
 
What is happening? Why the change NOW?
Well, lets think back to where you started, and these memories would have all been clouded in so many more distressing memories... that they are less important then, more important now, and your mind is telling you that you can now handled these memories for processing.

This is why once you get through the worst initial stages of healing, you literally open Pandoras Box within your brain for memory. As you process the worse, the lesser, yet still traumatizing memories begin having room to come through, also wanting to be acknowledged and dealt with.

So deal with them, process them, use everything you have taught yourself and learnt to process these new memories, not ignore them and think they will go away. Talk them out, toss them round, until you remove any negative stigma attached to them.

As you progress through the years, continually removing negative emotions and memories come through, you will hit a point where nothing else is thrown at you.... then you learn how to manage when something stressful in your present occurs, and it will drag everything and anything from your past memories into your present in an attempt to retake control of you. That is what PTSD does... it really is a lifetime of having to apply all these basic techniques in your life to keep present tense and past tense separated, in order to keep PTSD in control.

The simple question could be... what has happened in your present that is possible causing these memories to try and distract you, to create symptoms, and thus trying to drag you backwards into that horrible world of distress that PTSD is? Not everything is about the past, but our brain will try and make it that way. Sometimes you have present events, present stress, etc, that creates symptoms and memories assisting PTSD to knock you on your arse.... when all that is required is to deal with the present issue/s and get them under control, suddenly PTSD reduces again.
 
Thanks anthony. You always seem to explain things in such a simple, but logical way that makes it easy to understand.

So...I need to deal with every memory that comes up? It seems like such a never ending, exhausting task. But, it should be/get easier since I have already dealt with similar ones. I'm just surprised though, because both you and my T. have told me once I deal with the worst traumas, it should take care of the smaller ones.So I thought that meant there wouldn't be any more memories creeping in. Maybe I misunderstood. I wasn't expecting new ones and I wasn't expecting such a strong reaction to them.

I hadn't really thought about what is happening in the present to cause the memories until you mentioned it. There has been alot of stress with my sister since she remembered her own rapes. She has been on a downward spiral and suicidal/homicidal and completely out of control(she's finally medicated and starting therapy). Listening to her talk about it and calming her down when she's been suicidal has been hard. I should have realized it was affecting me.

I still don't understand why the way I'm remembering things now has changed though. Before it seemed like the memories and the emotions were totally separate, like in different places in my brain or something, like a big gap in between what I remembered and what I feel/felt, but now they go together, at the same time. Is that how it should be? Does that make it easier or faster to deal with the memories?
 
Trauma separates emotion from the events. That is why we are taught to add feelings to an event after we tell its story. The fact that you had no feelings at first means that those were more traumatic events. The fact that you are feeling your stories now means these events are less traumatic than the first ones. It doesn't make these ones less bad, it just means they didn't affect you as badly as the first ones.
 
....Wishing I hadn't added the last 2 paragraphs above....I know how it makes me sound/look.

Not at all, Jadebear. Actually, I think it is fascinating. My theory on your leg pain is just that, but I have had similar "delays" in the body/brain processing. Here goes with my personal theory, and you can tell me if I'm off the track.

When a child is abused over time in any way, the child learns to "leave the body" a little. This is called Dissociation. It is difficult to teach an adult how to completely or even partially Dissociate. But children, as Anthony stated above, have a different brain set up that is more resiliant, and Dissociation is something they are very good at. Once learned, Dissociation is not unlearned until the adult choses to retrain and find other coping mechanisms that work better for adulthood. Sometimes, Dissociation seems the best way for the brain to deal with trauma, pain, emotions, and even basic physical stimulii.

So, for example, your leg getting hurt in the early morning was a physical trauma on some level, even if you don't think it's emotional enough to invoke the Dissociative response, your body and brain said "Okay, the nerves are acting up. Some physical injury has occured that she's not wanting to feel and process right now because _she has to go to work_. So let's do that Dissociative thing and not let her feel the pain of the injury until later, when she has time to deal with it. Boom, you suddenly feel the pain of the injury and the memory of having the injury at all on your break, when your brain says good vibes from the ciggie are on the way to help cope with life and this injury, so your brain let's you have it all then.

I actually think you have made a very good point here, Jadebear. Before I even knew about my abuse, I have known for years that I do this all the time.

When I am busy at work, I don't feel hunger, thirst, or even the pain from my headache or backache. NO, it all hits me when the adrenaline of work stops, and I'm in my car on the way home. By the time I reach home, I feel like a wreck.

I have had to learn to "check in" with my body and not forget I have one, while I do mental work. Frequent check ins keeps me from doing what you did with your leg. Some call it "high pain tolerance" but it's really the brain's skill at Dissociating from whatever is keeping the mind from moving forward in life after traumas (until the body gives out). When I don't do the check-ins, I can exhaust myself easily and start to feel dizzy and faint a lot from working too hard without giving myself food and water. I just work, work, work until I am practically passing out from physical overload. My T. and I call it SuperWoman Mode. :cool: It feels cool at the time to be able to take on the world without self care, but after a while, I crash down hard.

Your original question was about how the mind holds onto stuff and then dumps it later, and "why NOW?" Well, I think your brining up the leg issue is an attempt to work that own for yourself. You're seeing a pattern in your system: you experience minor traumas, and the memory/pain is delayed and hits you later that day at work when you finally allow yourself to "rest, take a break."

My Shrink from 14 years ago said people will remember if and when they are strong enough to handle it.

Muse
 
I'm just surprised though, because both you and my T. have told me once I deal with the worst traumas, it should take care of the smaller ones.So I thought that meant there wouldn't be any more memories creeping in. Maybe I misunderstood.
This either a) isn't insignificant as defined by you, or b) something is your present is stressing you, thus your brain is using your past in combination with the present stress to take you down.

Dealing with your major traumas takes care of a lot of minor things, absolutely... but your brain defines what is minor or more significant to you, emotionally... so taking out your major trauma's means just that, it doesn't mean it will take out "everything" under it... just most of it.

I hadn't really thought about what is happening in the present to cause the memories until you mentioned it. There has been alot of stress with my sister since she remembered her own rapes. She has been on a downward spiral and suicidal/homicidal and completely out of control(she's finally medicated and starting therapy). Listening to her talk about it and calming her down when she's been suicidal has been hard. I should have realized it was affecting me.
Bingo... you are in recovery yourself, and without sounding like an arse about it... you may not be in a position to directly support / help her, whilst still in recovery yourself, still learning to apply everything you know, still chipping away at thing in your head, etc etc.

You have read me say before... other people in depressed states will take down everyone around them if aloud. That is happening with you... your sister is taking you down with her. They don't mean it, they just want support, but that support must be given by people who can handle what the person is going to do, without emotional attachment to them, and sometimes people need psychiatric care, not family care at the worst points.

I still don't understand why the way I'm remembering things now has changed though. Before it seemed like the memories and the emotions were totally separate, like in different places in my brain or something, like a big gap in between what I remembered and what I feel/felt, but now they go together, at the same time. Is that how it should be? Does that make it easier or faster to deal with the memories?
Your sister telling you about her rape, about her memories, could be triggering your brain to remember things that happened, but had simply disregarded or where unknown to you. It is like reading this forum... a complete stranger could read another's story here, go away, then days later suddenly their brain spits out a memory from their subconscious that got triggered by reading something here.

The brain is a big unknown puzzle, and all information is really even theoretical at best, as no experts have definitive answers on what happens with the brain. Best guess is that your sister is triggering your brain, and her depression / suicidal aspects, all taking a significant toll upon you, who is still in recovery.
 
your sister is taking you down with her. .

I believe you're probably right about that. But I couldn't just sit back and do nothing, avoid her calls and stuff. I know I'm not in a position to help her, but I really didn't know what else to do except to at least try.

She is medicated now and starting therapy, so I feel like I can back off and concentrate on myself again. If she gets in that state again, she will have her T. and can go to him for help instead of me.

I don't regret being there for her though....it was worth it since she's finally getting the help she needs.
 
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