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Robyn

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Everything I do is wrong...everything I say is wrong...everything that means survival: the love, the bills, the finances, is all going to hell and I'm powerless to stop it. He's says he feels the same way.

It's either my fault, or the banks fault, or he just screwed up...I don't know how to get through this!

My only comfort in life was from him and now that's gone. I can't comfort him and he can't comfort me. We're powerless to help each other through the hard times.

There doesn't seem to be a way to come back from this. You tell me not to take anything personally...how can I not? How can I turn off all of my emotions and pretend not to have a care or an opinion about anything?

What if right one minute is wrong the next? I don't know what to do.

I feel so all alone.................................
 
Robyn ,first of all :Hug_emoticon: hang in there .

I feel your misery in all of this . I too have times when I feel the same way you are feeling . There are times in this where he cannot help me at all . Don't take all of the blame , my husband tends to do this - if I hadn't done this , he wouldn't have done that - this is projection ( see I've listened to my therapist ! ) I have done things wrong , I'm not perfect , but it is not all me and I have thought that it was and worn that for a while now. This hasn't done either of us any good . I've thought some days - God , how many times have I said "Sorry" to him today . I stopped doing that a while ago . I don't know if it's helped him any , but it certainly has helped me to shed that blame for everything . I don't have a problem in saying sorry when it's needed but I have stopped saying it for every little thing that may annoy him that particular day - it's just him having a day . I find that it has helped me because I don't feel like doing :stupid: to him nearly as much ! My frustration level is down considerably , because I've stopped tip-toeing around him for everything which wasn't doing either of us any good . I'm not saying that I don't still feel like :stupid: him at times but it is less and I understand more about what's happening . It is still difficult when you're caught up in the moment though .

It's very difficult not to take it personally. I struggle with this one most . It isn't possible for me to turn off my emotions and pretend I don't give a s**t . However , I am learning to keep my emotional side at bay while I talk calmly about the situation ( he needs to be calm at this time too or the effort is futile) I have found that being very business like and matter of fact is the approach that is most effective for me ( in all matters , not just the financial ones) . He may not like what I have to say at the time , but I am finding that he at least hears me and gives it consideration when I talk this way as opposed to emotional and teary . I believe , for my husband , that the emotional pleas are something he cannot handle right now, it just seems to make him angry right off and any point I had to make gets lost in the fray and I just wind up being hurt and unheard.

I hear you , I too , have said something one minute and have thought he heard me and agreed with me . Only to find out , minutes later that I was totally wrong in that assumption ! It is the PTSD talking but don't let that keep you from having your own opinions , don't lose yourself , you need all of you - look after you .

Are either of you seeing a counsellor or therapist ?? If he won't , you still can . I have found it very helpful for me in understanding what's been happening over the past several years . The therapist has helped me in giving me someone I can talk to & who understands what I'm seeing in my husband. She's giving me some pointers on how to set boundaries & take better care of me . If I'm all stressed and a mess emotionally - I'm no help to myself , let alone my husband .

Just my 2 cents worth , just wanted you to know I care and your message really hit home with me - I've felt that same desperation and still do at times .

Take care of you , Robyn :Hug_emoticon:
 
It's all so confusing to us, isn't it Robyn?

The person we married seems to be gone now....will they ever come back? Or will it always be different than what it once was?

Sorry I don't have too many answers for you. After 11 years (2 years PTSD diagnosed, but a lot of turmoil for the 9+ years prior), I am still quite confused myself.

One thing I will say though....don't assume that he can handle everything that he once did. Don't let everything go to hell-in-a-handbasket while you are waiting and hoping that things will turn around because that will take quite a while.

If he used to pay the bills, you may have to now. If he used to be the financial support, you may have to be now. You get the idea.

I can't offer a lot of advice on what to do, but I have a wealth of knowledge of things that you shouldn't do...lol. Hang in there.
 
I know you are feeling alone, but trust me you are not! Here is a hug from me too. :Hug_emoticon:

I was gonna log in to vent this morning, but your post says it all. Keeping you in my prayers! Keep your head up!
 
The day after..

Thanks Nicolette-it helped.

I ended up calling into work sick today. After the battle I was left shaky...sick to my stomach and with a heck of a headache. I finally went to sleep about 4am and was awake again at 6am after he came to bed.

I touched his arm...about the only contact I've have with him anymore is when he is sleeping, which is seldom (at least in the same room at the same time.) I miss him so much...the closeness we had. Holding hands, unsolicited hugs. Laughing, talking, it's all gone.

It's the calm before the storm. It's noon, and I've been up for awhile. He's still asleep. Part of me fantasizes that he's going to wake up okay. Things are going to be back to normal...but I know it's not true.

I don't know how to handle it. I try to pick my battles but everything is in constant upheaval. Don't misunderstand, it's nothing physical. He knows that would be all it takes to end everything between us...and he's good about distancing himself when the anger gets too bad.

But, do I just shut off the caring that we're in financial trouble? Pretend it's okay that I'm little more than a roommate to him at this point? Stand and take it when I get verbally attacked for things I don't have any control over.

I'm working two jobs and spend the majority of the time thinking about him. I'm anxious to come home, especially if I've had to leave while he was in a good mood, only to find that his mood has changed. We've talked about going back to his counselor when she gets off of her maternity leave..but I don't know if we'll have the money to do it.

I just don't feel like he wants to try at times. That he's just staying out of some sense of obligation or something. I'm not a patient woman...I'll admit that. My mom always said that I wear my heart on my sleeve. So if I'm irritated or hurt, it comes out in my voice, even when I'm trying hard to hide it. I've always been honest with him...so when he asks me what's wrong, do I lie?

Opps...I hear him stirring. Time to face whatever the day will bring today. I have to dry my tears and force a smile and speak softly and give him his space. And allow him to pretend that yesterday doesn't exist and try to let it go.

Thanks for reading...perhaps I just need a pacifier and diaper.

How did you handle the first year of finding out your sufferer had PTSD?

:dontknow:
 
How did you handle the first year of finding out your sufferer had PTSD?

Well, for me, my husband has had so many physical and mental problems prior to this diagnosis, that when I heard PTSD, it didn't really sink in. To me, it was like, "well, here we go again" (I know that is selfish, but it is what it is).

It's only been more recently that I've started to read up on PTSD. I wish I had done this a long time ago. There's been so many things in the last two years that were completely foreign to me: his behavior, his reaction to things. At the time I had no idea where it was coming from. If I had read more earlier, I would have understood more earlier. Read what you can on PTSD.

I think you have to come to a place where you make a really conscious decision on whether to stick it out no matter what happens. Staying in a relationship that is constantly hard goes completely against our desires, our wants. You have to consciously decide if you can do it, if you want to do it. :thumbs-up

Like I said, I could write a book on things not to do. Wish I could give you more advice on what to do.

L.
 
Opps...I hear him stirring. Time to face whatever the day will bring today. I have to dry my tears and force a smile and speak softly and give him his space. And allow him to pretend that yesterday doesn't exist and try to let it go.

Actually the last day or two turned out pretty well. I don't know if he's been reading my posts or just trying harder but, for the last couple of days, it's been good. I've tried to enjoy it as it comes and not look past the now.

There were only two episodes of note that we got through without a major battle. Both seemingly to come from anxiety at spending time with his sister and her four kids. He wasn't "Uncle Taz" but he did try. He loves those kids more than anything, but I think there are times that their interactions with each other bring back some memories for him.

Fortunately, they care for him an awful lot..and he can't deny that, although he sometimes tries to read more into little things than are there. Like the oldest, 11, is becoming more and more social and independent. He sees it as her pulling away from him. The youngest boy has just turned two and is at the stage where he is very loud and vocal about his wants, which tends to play into hubby's hypersensitivity.

But, all and all, it was a good day. And, I'm thankful for it. I a little sad because I have to go to work today...and he seems to be too. Although, inwardly, I think he's a little relieved that he'll get some 'alone time'. I'm off again tomorrow.

I think you have to come to a place where you make a really conscious decision on whether to stick it out no matter what happens. Staying in a relationship that is constantly hard goes completely against our desires, our wants. You have to consciously decide if you can do it, if you want to do it.

I've definately decided that I'm in this for the long haul. It's easier knowing what's going on rather than trying to make sense of it all. He's also talking a little more, I think because he's been trying to make sense of it too. Now he has someone who is, at least, trying to understand and support him.

I hope he's coming to the forums. I don't pressure him about it so I don't really know. I've been trying to find ways to introduce to those he's closest, to PTSD and education them. Hopefully, it'll help them realize that what's going on and help hubby in the process. We will see.

Thank you Lucy & Nicolette and the scores of others who made the journey a little easier to travel. I've become addicted to the forum and have spent hours just reading and learning from you all.

Thank you
Robyn
 
Hi Robyn,

I feel for what you are going through, but you are on the right road. A very rocky road at times :rolleyes:...and overwhelming too but can also be so rewarding.

Recognize what triggers him and understand what he can't do anymore....such as financial matters. In my case my man always told me that when we would move in together I would be taking care of the finances because it overwhelmed him and he also was afraid of forgetting to pay the bills in time.

One day at the time, or in cases, minutes at the time, appreciate the good times and see what works for both of you as a couple.

Good luck !
 
Hi Frankie and thanks for the support! It's comforting to me to know I'm doing something right occasionally.

Frankie wrote:
Recognize what triggers him and understand what he can't do anymore.

I'm still trying to figure out some of the triggers. It's really hard to do when, the moment he gets out of bed, it's to the computer and Warcraft. It's pretty much where he stays for the entire day until well past my bedtime.

He's still pretty much into avoidance and self-loathing. And such a defeatist! Everything is over before it begins, with him. Lately, he's always looking for the big fix to the problems. I try to keep on the positive side of things as much as I can. But, sometimes, I find I'm griping a bit too much about things, which puts him in the doldrums even more and feeds his insecurity. Gotta watch that!

Oh, something else. I got an email the other day that made me laugh so hard, I drew the attention of the office.

It's called A Womans Prayer

DEAR LORD,
I PRAY FOR THE WISDOM TO UNDERSTAND A MAN,
TO LOVE AND FORGIVE HIM,
AND PATIENCE FOR HIS MOODS,
BECAUSE LORD,
IF I PRAY FOR STRENGTH
I'LL JUST BEAT HIM TO DEATH.

It felt so good to laugh at a time when I thought I'd lost all the humor in my life. I showed it to him and he gave me a polite chuckle. Little does he know that when he starts getting frustrated and yelling...I just calmly think to myself: "Don't make me pray for strength!" -- or something along those lines. It keeps me from feeding his mood by letting myself get baited into yelling back.

So I'm AM learning from you and this forum. It's helping me to face the road ahead with my head up and without blinders. And when I falter, which is easy to do when surrounded by negativity all day at work and home, I come here and just read all the positives and support that carers give to sufferers and sufferers to carers, and find my balance again. I thank everyone for that.

Since my first post of desperation less than a month ago, I feel I've come a long way...in that, I'm centering myself and my moods so I can be better at helping him find a way to center himself.

Good job guys!! You are wonderful!!

Sincerely,
Robyn

PS I'm looking forward to his (now our) psychologist returning from maternity leave the end of this month, whether he is or not :) She's a very positive person and he seems to enjoy talking with her...so...*fingers crossed*
 
Hugs. I hope the therapy will be a benefit. I went from not being able to leave the house to now possibly getting a promotion to store manager of a Starbucks. It can be done, he has to believe in himself. At first, finding out about the PTSD was informative but I think a bit self defeating. It was like proof that I was right, I couldn't do what I could before. I was wrong in that-I can. It just takes a lot more work and having a ton of coping skills in place along with a reason for doing it. Granted I am sooooo worn out but I seem to be able to handle more and more in a day each time. I can't do anything other than work in a day; I'm toast after that. I hope I can at some point. (sick of micro meals-it's all I can do to heat one up) lol
 
I Need (But Not As Much) Help

I've only been reading and writing to this forum for about a month and I want to thank everyone here. Since my original post, I feel I've come a long way and, by comparison, so has my relationship with "the man who is my husband".

I've discovered that the man underneath all those symptoms IS the man I married and we both have to work at bringing him out more often.

Last night, he was doing his usual Warcraft thing and began to start looking at some upgrades for the game. He started lamenting about not having the money in the account to upgrade. I began thinking about the four eggs and tub of margarine in the refrigerator, the maintenance that the truck desperately needs, the winter clothes we're both going to need, etc. etc. and found myself getting angry inside. So I told him, I didn't want to talk about it and we're going to have to agree to disagree about what is important and what is not.

Apparently, that was a trigger of some kind and he started getting defensive. He began blaming me because he was sitting at home all the time and could go anywhere because we didn't have the gas to spare beyond getting me to and from work. We couldn't 'do' anything because the money wasn't there to 'do' with. He couldn't buy anything because the account was overdrawn and only MY account had any money in it. He felt that he had to ask me if he wanted to buy something because he doesn't have access to the household account. (Since day one of our marriage, we've always had a joint account, until last month.)

Thanks to the forum and you wonderful people...I just let him get it out then calmly asked him why it was he was in this situation. He says, "Yeah, I know, I f:naughty:ed up. You keep throwing it up in my face. You act like you don't trust me anymore."

"Let me ask you something...do you trust yourself?"

"No, I don't think I do." he replied.

"I'm not throwing up anything in your face." I told him. "I'm also not going to let you goad me into fighting with you anymore. You understand why I opened the separate account, so throwing it up to me to make me feel guilty about it isn't going to work anymore. Complaining about the things you can't do, can't buy, etc. isn't going to work anymore. In short, the bills come first. Necessities are next, like food and gas. The money in OUR account is separate from the other account for a reason, and you know this. When everything is caught up, then we can reward ourselves with luxuries like getting cable/sattelite tv back, etc. When we agree that you have the coping skills in place so the problems with the finances are resolved, then the accounts will be combined again. In the meantime, the money in the old account is your monthly check. You won't have to ask me for anything. We'll handle the bills together. Anything else is yours so you won't feel you have to ask me for anything."

Silence ensued for about 30 minutes then I asked him if he was still going back to his psychologist when she came off of maternity leave. He said that he didn't see how, we didn't have the money for it and it wasn't going to do any good. "Well", I said, "You told me yourself that something hasn't been quite right with you for awhile now. I've told you about the forum and tried to share with you the things I have learned from it. I TRUELY feel that a lot of the physical pain you are having is directly related to the PTSD. Perhaps not all of it, but a lot of it. The PTSD is never going to go away. BOTH of us is going to have to learn how to deal and cope with it, othewise, the rest of our lives are going to be like they are now. Are you willing to live like this? For our relationship with each other to be like this?"

<Silence> Then a quiet, "no."

"We're both going to have to work at it and that involves going back to Stephanie. Not just you, but me as well. Just so you know now, it's going to involve you learning to deal with the past. It's going to be rough and it's going to be hard. I'm going to have to learn how to better support you while you are going through it. But as long as you fight, I'll fight with you."

Silence again, another thirty minutes or so. During that time, I walked off into another room to give him a little space to reflect and me a chance to take a few deep breaths to calm my nerves down some. I came back to "I sit here all day long. I don't have anything. Can't watch tv. All I have to do is this game. I'm tired of doing without anymore. I'm tired of having nothing!"

I just looked at him and said, "Well, I'm not sitting in the lap of luxury myself, now am I?"

Silence for the rest of the evening. Him on his game, me reading the forums and doing other things on my computer. When it came time for me to go to bed, he chose to come too. When the morning came, it seems both of us slept pretty well. I got dressed for work. He got up and sat with me until time to leave. He took his morning meds then when back to bed for another couple of hours. He called me at work like he used to do and let me know he was up.

He described his day as feeling kinda blah, he had no other term for it. I asked if he felt depressed, felt sick, angry? He said "No, just blah." It rained today, and his rheumatoid felt it. But, mostly, just blah and it sucked that I had to go to my second job.

As for my day...I felt that I had gotten a lot accomplished at work because my mind was more on what I was doing. I was a bit tired, but nothing I coudn't handle. I guess the biggest change in my attitude is that I felt more hopeful about our future than I'd felt in a long time.

So, for the moment (and I'll relish the feeling that moment brings with it) things are doing good. Tomorrow brings whatever tomorrow brings.

Thank you all again for sharing your advice and your lives so that people like me(us) can better handle the day to day.

:Hug_emoticon:


HUGS!!
Robyn

PS Sorry it's such a long one! :wall:
 
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