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I Refuse To Give In To Manipulation Tactics Anymore

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My apologies that this is so long. I avoid posting long topics because short ones are easier to read, however, I need to go in depth with this one.

And I'm not sure exactly where to start, so I'll just jump right in...

Background: For 33 years of my life my mother has slammed religion. Every chance she got, she put it down. She would say things like "only stupid people believe" and she was insanely resentful of my father's involvement with the church. It got so bad that my father gave in and stopped going all together when I was about 11 or so. My dad and I started going to church again within the past two years. I found this to be INCREDIBLY healing and helpful to me. I built up a rapport with my reverend and she was a source of support to me.

As of late, my mom has SEEMINGLY done a 180. She is actually getting involved with the church, going to classes, services, etc. Ok, fine, I don't have a problem with her finding God, if that's actually what she's doing. And I hesitate to even say this because I'm going to sound like a total witch. But, I don't buy it, not for a second.

You see, my mom is an abusive control freak. She has to control EVERYTHING. It drives her nuts that my dad FINALLY got up the nerve to leave her last year because now she can't control him anymore. I'll elaborate more to show you my point. For the last 5+ years my mom has refused to go on vacation with the rest of the family. She turns herself into the victim by telling everyone that she wasn't invited. But, it's all a big big lie because she was invited each and every year. Last summer, the first summer of the separation between my parents, my mom was not invited on vacation. So what does little miss control freak do? She tries to invite herself on vacation with the rest of us, laying on the guilt that this may be the last time she can go on vacation with her kids, blah blah blah. Well, it didn't work, and the decision was unanimous amongst the rest of us that she was not coming with us.

Another example.... My sister is the most traditional amongst our immediate family. She got married last spring and it was her decision to have only my father walk her down the aisle. My mom wanted to walk her down the aisle as well, and it made her mad that my sister decided otherwise. She threw a fit, saying that everyone was abandoning her, and that my dad made the decision for my sister, which was completely not true at all. My sister may seem quiet, but she's got a strong will and makes her own decisions. Even to this day, my mom throws out comments saying how she's mad that everyone left her out that day, blah blah blah. Really, it was almost the perfect wedding, but because my mom couldn't control everything, she decides to continue to put it down.

So you can see that clearly she has control issues. I do believe that people can change, however, I believe that her sudden interest in the church isn't about God or spirituality or any of the like, so much as it's about control. Why? Well, she continues to try and insert herself into activities that involve my dad and my brother and I. I went out to dinner with her the other night and she lays this huge guilt trip on me about how we don't invite her to baseball games and she asks when we're going to a game this summer. Well, the truth is that she always hated going to games in the past. And now that we're going to games without her, it drives her nuts. Long story short, she's NOT getting invited to any games with us this summer. If she was really changing, she wouldn't continue with the manipulation tactics.

So to the heart of the matter. I HATE that she's now going to the same church as my dad and I. My church was one of my safe places, and now that she, someone who has emotionally abused me for my whole life, is going there, I don't feel safe! If she REALLY wanted to find God, she could have gone to any one of the other dozens of churches in our area, two of which are of the same denomination. WHY this one?!? Church was something that my dad and I went to together. It was something we did together because we have similar beliefs. And now I don't feel safe there.

No, she can't take away anything from my relationship with God, but at the same time I don't even feel safe at Church, and I don't have that many places where I feel safe! It's gotten so bad that I am considering going to one of the other churches in my area of the same denomination.

And I know this is all compounded by the fact that my sexual abuse was at the hands of someone in the church. It's taken me a long time to get to this point in my spirituality, and I hate feeling like I can't even go to church anymore.

My mom's control attempts continue. I didn't go to church today, Palm Sunday, because she was going to be there. I really wanted to go, too. She is trying to involve herself in Easter Sunday activities, but I've made the decision to not spend anymore holidays with her. Really, this is the last straw. I refuse to have her manipulate me in areas of my spirituality.

My dad seems to be more forgiving. I see this as pure manipulation tactics. And I refuse to give in.

I don't know what I'm really looking for in the way of a response. Just some support, I guess.
 
You have overcome so much in your life. Be proud of what you have accomplished on your journey to healing. I am so sad that your mom has done this to you and to your dad.

It sounds like you and your family have had it with her. I am sorry you are having to face and deal such a difficult parent.
I do not blame you for your feelings and wishes.

She is a control freak to do that. This was something special between you and your dad.

Your mom sounds like she is freaking out over her family not wanting to have anything to do with her, and she sounds very toxic.

I think I wish you well on a new church hunt. I think it is a shame, but you have to take good care of yourself and do what is best for you.

I hope you and your dad can find some other special things to do together.

I too have been burned by a cultish church and its members. So I have a little understanding of how hard it was for you to go back and try church again.

I empathize with the loss of so much that means so much to you. I wish you the very best in sorting out this crazymaking and drama. I am so sorry you have to find new solutions to better your circumstances. I think it is a shame that your mother is such a control freak and buts in. Hugs.
 
I don't know what I'm really looking for in the way of a response. Just some support, I guess.

Sending you all the support I can manage!! and a big :hug:

I understand totally where you are coming from - my mother was a manipulator at well, and after she died my dad picked up her habits, so he is now at least as bad as she had been. It is one of the reasons that my family fell apart.

I applaud your strength and support your choice to refuse to give in. I am going through a similar process with my dad and brothers and it is an incredibly difficult thing to do - when I feel that I am weakening I remind myself of how bad things will get if I do give in - what I black hole that would be!

Stay strong, and be true to yourself - it will be worth it in the long run!
 
I am so sorry that your mom is trying to manipulate her way into your relationship with your dad and church. Have you talked to the minister and told him the dynamics? It sounds like from what you said that her only interest in the church is to manipulate and control you. If you are not there then maybe she will no longer attend.

My mom sounds like your mom. When I got my first apartment (in a 6-plex) she got into my building as a tenant. When I bought my first house she moved into an apartment building less than a block away. I felt like for years she would not let me have my 'own' life. I have not talked to my mom in a few months. At times I feel guilt but I know she only likes to control me, my life and I am not allowed to be a 'person'. I find when she is in my life I am more depressed. So many people will say, "Well she is your mom". Well they have no idea. I sympathize with you and you sound very strong.

I am glad you have a healthy relationship with your dad. It is good that he left your mom as well and it sounds like you, your siblings and your dad have created a 'new family' without her. If she really wanted a relationship she could do one-on-one things with each of you instead if you were all ok with it. She is not with your dad anymore so it does not make sense for her to be 'tagging' along with family get togethers with your father.

I hope you do not have to leave your church permanently.
 
ScaredOfLoney,

It sounds as if she will never be satisfied... I'm glad to hear you are taking care of yourself. With some people, it will always be something, and another thing.. and something else! In most cases, people like this don't seek help and are consistently the same throughout the years.

Hang in there!

LL
 
She's never going to change. I'm finally grieving the mother I never had. I'm firm with my boundaries. I can't kick her out of my life completely, but I can minimize contact, which is what I'm doing. I like less drama; it's nice.

I spoke with my aunt (dad's sister) and she told me that I shouldn't have to leave a church I love. But, this is a non-negotiable; I refuse to fight for my spirituality. Ive already fought for it, i'm not risking having it STOLEN from me. I have decided to walk away from the situation and I'm hoping to go to services at another nearby church. If you knew my mom, you'd know why I chose this option. She wants to fight; she wants an argument. She's not getting that from me. The biggest insult I can deal her is refusing to acknowledge her position.

This isn't easy, but I can do it.

I think it saddens my dad that I won't be going to church with him anymore.

And I feel sneaky going to another church; telling nobody in my family. But if word got out, she could follow me there, too. I just can't risk that.
 
My mother began attending our church and it made me uncomfortable as well. She was befriended by three ladies, and now is in her own congregation and singing in the choir at another church. Mostly, my mom wanted attention... even if it was negative attention. I soul searched and prayed about it and ultimately I carved a niche out for time with her each week even though it is usually very difficult.

It was a transition time for her and for me. I viewed it as an opportunity to try to see her as a Christian sister and chose to stick with my church rather than retreat from a place where I was spiritually being "fed". It was an uncomfortable time, and there was much embarrassment on my part. But I tried to accept that for whatever reason, she was coming to church.

I think I'd try to discuss it with your dad and maybe even with a mentor if you have one in your church or your pastor/minister. I wanted to keep my spiritual life separate from my family life, but God had other plans, and when I went along prayerfully. She was led to fellowship some with the ladies in my church, but attend a different church.

I hope it works out for you.
 
One abuser stole my spirituality for 30+ years. I'm not about to allow the other to have an influence. I can't explain any more, really. She has no boundaries. She thinks she's privy to every facet of my life. She's not. It took her trying to infiltrate the ONE thing that keeps me safe, and it's not going to happen, not now nor ever. I could lose everyone I know; all my worldly possessions, and as long as I have my faith, I'll be ok. I've never been so adamant about fighting so hard for something, and that's why I can't, won't put it at risk. My faith is the one thing that keeps me safe. The one thing that I can turn to without fail when things are bad. I don't have people to comfort me and help me. Maybe you can see why I won't go down that road.
 
Good Friday I went to church and damn if she wasn't there. I walked in and sat in the balcony because I was so upset. I knew I couldn't handle it so I left crying. My priest saw me on the walkway outside and guessed why I was upset. I went to the parish house and laid down for a bit. My dad came to get me afterward and he knew why I left.

So yesterday I had a meeting with my priest. She knew what was going on before I could even tell her the whole story. She's been very supportive through all of this and told me she'd help me however she could. I also told her that this was my proverbial line in the sand. Before my mom would do crazy stuff and I'd let it go and just move on. This time I simply can't. Spirituality has helped me heal more than anything else. I can't allow this part of me to be compromised by someone who won't respect my boundaries.

My dad said something to the effect of "this is your moms way of controlling things" and continued by saying that it wasn't really about church or religion. I replied that it doesn't matter what her intent is, because if she won't respect this boundary, she won't accept any of them, and that is unacceptable.

I'm surprised that I'm ok with my decision so far, and that those who know have been supportive.

I wish I was wrong. I wish that her motives were pure. But this is just the latest in a long line of controlling and manipulative tactics.
 
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