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General Information Management - No Big Deal?

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LoyalOne

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Here is a question; does anyone else deal with 'information management?' If so, how so?

I.e., excuses that are obviously manufactured, conflicting details in stories, dates that don't quite match up, inconsistent reasons for things...

I am normally a person who doesn't pry or ask a lot of questions, but expects that the things that I am told be factual and accurate. But with my sufferer, I feel like I have to listen to a lot of things that are told to me for his convenience, or to 'keep me from worrying,' or to keep his pain private. I don't want to force him to spill things he would rather not, but at the same time - I rely on things he tells me to paint an accurate picture of who he is and what he needs. If I can't take the things he says as true, what do I have?

He has maintained that this is not lying, because it is not about important things, and it is not really hiding anything from me - it is just saving him painful explanations. So I have called it 'information management,' rather than lying, because he is normally a strictly truthful person.

Example; he planned to visit us the Fourth of July weekend. He was all excited, we were going to do fun, low key things (avoiding the big, crowded fireworks display, which he admitted he couldn't handle), great. Three days beforehand, he suddenly couldn't. And his excuses were like listening to Jake from the Blues Brothers; "I ran out of gas! I--I had a flat tire! I didn't have enough money for cab fare! My tux didn't come back from the cleaners! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts!"

I told him I'd pay for his flight. He could stay with us if he was broke. Every excuse he gave me I shot down with logic, until light finally dawned; 'It's just too much social stimulation and patriotic brouhaha for him, and he doesn't want to admit it, because he made me a promise.'

So right now we have a little pact we are trying to stick to. If something is too much for him, he can just say; 'That's too much for me to deal with right now,' and I will back the hell off and not press him with rational questions, which make him feel persecuted.

It is brutally hard for him to admit he can't handle everything the world throws at him, but his letting me know upfront instead of giving me weird excuses has seriously cut down the amount of 'whyyyyy?' I give him, which makes him anxious. But I have asked him in return not to manage me like a five year old. It is sort of working.

Do you guys deal with this?
 
Hi LoyalOne

In short this is an every day part of PTSD for sufferers. They do not always want others to know the why's and where fore's of what is going on, and we as supporters have to except that at times. Hard as this is for many, it is how some sufferers prefer it.

Being able to back out of arrangements without too much explanation, because they feel the situation may be too much for them to deal with, actually may help them to follow through with plans eventually.

Good as well as bad stress does this often.

Have you read the stress cup explanation, it does help supporters understand it a little bit easier.

[DLMURL]https://www.ptsdforum.org/c/threads/the-ptsd-cup-explanation.13737/#post-173960[/DLMURL]

The military version has even more information. Whilst you cannot register or post on the Combat Forum, you can read articles and other members post for more information.

[DLMURL]http://combat.ptsdforum.org/threads/combat-ptsd-cup.170/[/DLMURL]

Amethist
 
Locusts? LOL I hope you got a picture as proof! I know you are struggling but that one line of excuses made me chuckle.

My situation is similar, in a way. She always says she is OK, even when she is admitted the same afternoon. So I have tried to make her aware that, although I am VERY aware that it is hard to confide true feelings, if there is not some sort of disclosure, then I come to my own conclusions as I look for non-verbal clues. And many times my "conclusions" are dead wrong.

So, it's like "The boy that cried wolf" and for you, if the untruths or half truths continue, then that is what you see in any explanation by him. You have probably already said this to him though.

Sorry things are so tough for you.

ISH
 
Loyal - I have dealt with that first hand. I was supposed to see my ex on his 2 week R&R. We had all these plans, and he seemed so gung-ho. Well, when he got home, not only did he say his dad had physical problems, but he also had "problems" returning some calls - there was always a reason why. It hasn't been until all this I've been learning up until now that I see what some of the underlying reasons that he just couldn't talk about were.
 
Yeah, AB, and it is worse now that he is out. He keeps finding reasons not to come here. I don't know if it is because my state is out of his comfort zone, or if seeing me in person would be too much happiness at once. He tends to cry if there is too much happiness at once. He can't take it. I think over the phone makes him least freaked out.

ISH, I know, right? The non-verbal clues are deliberately unrevealing. The guessing game just doesn't work. I told him that I respected it if he couldn't talk about what was upsetting him, but he has asked me to treat him like he is 'normal.' Well, normal people chat about stuff. So if he is feeling 'not normal' enough that he can't talk to me, would he please just say he wants to be by himself, and I will get the hint and go away.

I respect you guys HUGELY, btw. I am so lucky that Sgt is my friend, and not my husband. I don't know if I could handle this stuff from my husband at all.
 
LoyalOne
Your thread struck a chord with me in that my ex also seemed to not be able to say that he just couldn't deal with seeing me at times for dates he had planned, and I would agree with you totally that some kind of "code phrase" is better than a lie. While I agree when Amethist comments that your sufferer needs your flexibility to back out of even the most committed events, I would still say that, a close supporter who knows of the ptsd deserves some kind of code words as way of an explanation rather than a lie. Isn't that the difference between manaaged and unmanaged ptsd? Just my tuppence worth.
 
LoyalOne i'm a suffer and today I've pretty much wished the ground had opened and swallowed me.

I've made no effort with any of my family as my head is so crazy busy and buzzing i'm in pain.

I am only sharing it from a suffers point of veiw.
 
No nothing but sit here all day daydreaming and hating everything and one (myself mostly)lol.

Last night I put on facebook "I feel like death stopped by, had a play and decided it wasn't worth it, so I now feel half dead".

If I'm honest I wish I'd slept through today.

It was very nice of you to ask though so thanks (((hugs bk)))
 
LoyalOne, thanks for bringing this up, it's one of those confronting and uncomfortable issues that I, for one, prefer to avoid at all costs, because the guilt and shame it wells up in me feel almost as intolerable as the social awkwardness and simultaneous fear of isolation/need to isolate that drive me to do this in the first place.

And yes, "information management" is such a lovely term for it - tactful yet honest.

I do this frequently. Hell, I've just spent the last half hour writing "sorry I'm sick today..." e-mails to my colleagues at work, just as I always do. I did this early in the morning, to justify to myself why I couldn't call and speak to them directly. It's "the done thing" at work that a no-show will be announced with a phone call to the member's supervisor or another team member, yet somehow others know now that on the days I am, er, "sick", I will almost never do this. I am equally thankful and insufferably humiliated by the unspoken knowledge of what is going on here. Because I'm not "sick", unles you choose to believe that I am just perpetually sick thesedays. I just... can't do life today. Doubt I'll even leave the house.

I hate the fact that I do this to my friends. Committing to going anywhere or doing anything terrifies me and I have long since lost countor perspective on the times I have lied... sorry... "information managed", and ducked and dived with almost frantic desperation to rid myself of anything that feels like a binding obligation. As someone else said, I'm actually more likely to follow through if I can decide to do so spontaneously or at the last minute.

I hate lying to my friends. I hate it viciously and shamefully and it's part of what triggers my obsessive need to isolate myself the more I feel overwhelmed by my isolation. They deserve better, they put up withso much crap and stupid behaviour from me and somehow they are still there. I don't deserve it, and fear the loss of it in a way which is almost intolerable.

Sorry, rambling ridiculously here, just really struggling today to know how I'll ever face the world again, and I don't even know why. So ashamed today...

Maddog
 
Hey, (((you))) too, maddog. I see why he/you/jo does it. I don't have a problem with the need to reframe and rephrase to smooth things out... sometimes it just seems like it has to be done... I just am looking for a way to manage it from this side, so I am not unknowingly making things worse. I don't want to smash anyone's coping mechanisms - hell, I know you need those things.

I made soup today. It turned out pretty good.

I wish I could give everyone on here a bowl of homemade soup. Or something. The (((...)))s just don't seem like enough.
 
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