Is There Ever A Point Where Suicide Is The Best Option?

[Tinyflame]

I do think I am stuck..with some success. Just not approptiate for community. Isnt that the way, people remember what you least expect.

I don't care what "they" remember brat, people are notoriously poor at understanding others, let alone fathoming what they've been through or what they are thinking and what matters now.

I don't think you are stuck, timing is everything and our own 'selves' (or more prcisely dealing with trauma after-effects) are a bigger battle than many things. You also see and think of things differently, even if some of the external wrappings are the same. In my eyes you have succeeded IMMENSELY and oodles and continue to. :) :tup:

I think that video triggered a lot, possibly? I myself am triggered by things even out of the blue a lot. :(

I heard today, and thought especially of you, "God" or that which is the 'Universe' or a Higher Power if one prefers, will "never ever ever abandon us", after all, that's who's plan it is we're here (includong this forum) in the first place. I knew that but needed the reminder. And also, with that help, we will "not only stay alive but thrive".

(((((((((((((((((((Dearest brat, xoxox))))))))))))))) :inlove:

 

[The Albatross]

I learned a long time ago not to confuse adversity with futility. Is there ever a point where suicide is the best option? No.

 

[Padfoot]

I believe that euthanasia should be a legal option for the terminally ill to allow them to die in their own way. I don't know that I would be able to do it myself, but I have seen people die from cancer, one while I was right there with her. She was in immense pain and the drugs weren't enough to help her, then she was gone. Why let people die in pain instead of helping them pass peacefully beforehand?

 

[Jenfa]

I can empathize so much with this situation. Especially with head trauma, the feeling can be hopeless because there's no marker to hit for this test, or medication that can truly make you feel like you did before it happened. Truth be told, it can get overwhelming just from the embarrassment of the symptoms alone, let alone everything else piled on top. I am so sorry that all of this happened to you. One thing that helps me, and I only attempted this coping skill I guess you could call it last year. So it's still pretty new to me, but omg I wish I did it so long ago. That skill was to go through a few steps before I said (to myself or anyone else) or did anything that required a rational decision be made. 1. Acknowledging that my initial reactions to things were not reliable. 2. Remembering the sequence of the moods (sadness to anger etc) 3. Understanding that no matter what the internal or external dialogue is about, it will not change the mood until it's ready to pass 4. Allowing myself to step away from the situation until I know I can talk calmly and also listen calmly. 5. (my favorite) Accepting that some people in our lives that are unavoidable have to stand outside the boundary for us to be well.

The hardest thing to do when I feel vulnerable is to ask for help, so I know how hard this must have been. Cheers for that! I hope any of this helps, even in a little way. And I also hope that if you ever are caught up in that dark place again, to remember that it is just what it is. A dark place. Darkness will not kill us. Being uncomfortable is Okay sometimes because it will find it's way gone just the way it came. Treat yourself to something you love! You did it :happy:

 

[Barberian]

I don't like being alive most of the time. I'm really, really looking forward to my death. That being said, because of my religious believes, I can not actively or through negligence cause it to happen. I have to try and stay alive and healthy until the end. I do not judge others if they commit suicide. I know there are a host of reasons they do it. I don't agree, but it's not my place to judge them.

Religious theme, avoid if you aren't religious.
A long time ago, I gave my life over to the Lord, I asked him to do with it as he wants, even if it causes great personal disaster for me. Maybe he will lift me on high and shower me with riches (hasn't happened). Maybe he will take my health away so someone else has to deal with me and learn a life lesson THEY need to learn (kinda leaning towards this answer)..I'm in a lot of pain most of the time, but I don't take it personally, It's just my lot in life, and I'll deal with it as best I can until I die.If my suffering helps even just one person learn something they need for their life's journey, I will die a happy man.

On the flip side, I may develop a strength of character I might not have if I lived a simple, pleasant life with no turmoil or pain. A strength of character that I will need in my next existence.

Many people live beyond what is needed for these life lessons, but who am I to pull the plug early, only to find out.... OOOPS, wasn't quite there yet, now I have to pay the price.

So, in summary, No I don't believe suicide is the best option.

 

[mamachick]

Ater 10 years of seperation, my savings is drained and my former husband has made it clear that he will not give me a divorce. I am withdrawing from my anti depressant and have not food. Its really hard to know what my purpose is. Is starving to death a form or suicide? I am not making light of this, I think you all know this. I am hanging on. I had a banana thursday and a sandwich satuday night. My vision is blurred, cant sleep, and in severe pain. Attorneys will not touch without $5000 cash up front. I am starting to have nightmares that I am the perp, nightmare about killing husband. I know how sick this sounds and out of character. I would never do this of course, but this kind of nightmare is worse than the ones that I have been victim. Im feeling very scared right now as my life is going further to hell.

 

[Barberian]

Death by intentional neglect is still suicide. Please reach out to community resources, churches, charities, government aid, ect. If you run into a brick wall, after wall, please keep trying.

You are worth the effort, hang in there.

 

[Barberian]

brat17, I was thinking about this last night in between being able to sleep and not. Some lawyers do pro-bono work (for free). From the sounds of it, you have already tried to get a lawyer. If you wrote up a letter explaining your mental, physical, emotional conditions keeping to the facts, and how long you have been trying to get a divorce and sent the letter to all of the divorce lawyers in your city, county, and maybe even neighboring cities over the county line, you might have more luck finding a lawyer willing to do a pro-bono divorce.

 

[ms spock]

What about a women's health service or women's legal service?

Perhaps you can get an advocate? Someone to assist you in negotiating the system.

 

[Still survivin]

I think it's cruel & unfair that euthanasia is not legal in most countries. I understand that strict policies need to be in place to prevent abuse but for those who truly want out, who has the right to say yes or no regarding how long a person has to suffer? I know that some countries have the option for non-nationals to use the service but vast majority only allow patients diagnosed as terminal. I get very angry at this. I have had multiple traumas in my life since early childhood, some days I can function & some days I can't. I think it's cruel that myself & others like me are forced to continue an existence that is filled with pain & uncertainty. I'll be honest, I'm terrified of suicide, although strangely that us what I crave. Ppl state that euthanasia is acceptable for terminal patients in chronic physical pain, why is it not acceptable for chronic emotional pain? I'm an adult, reasonably well educated & know my own mind. What gives anyone the right to say I don't deserve to be released from my suffering in a safe environment with medications proven to be humane? Just because CPTSD/BiPolar etc are mental health disorders does not mean sufferers are incapable of making their own choices? I get so angry that those who have not had to live with these experiences & cannot possibly understand what it's like to live with, have such a rigid stance on this issue.

 

[joeylittle]

terminal patients in chronic physical pain, why is it not acceptable for chronic emotional pain?

Because chronic emotional pain is not directly terminal. Your lungs will not shut down as a result of chronic emotional pain.

Like it or not, I think it is very innate for humans to believe that living is better than dying, because dying is the endgame. As long as we are alive, we do have the capacity to change - so long as our illness is not degrading the organs in such a way as to be irreversible.

My sorrow on this subject goes to people who have lost their mind - the ability to control it, or the ability to discern real from unreal. These are illnesses that are not terminal but are progressive and irreversible. That might be more what you are pointing at, whether or not there is a point where the emotional struggle is irreversible. But it is not in the nature of the human body to want to die. The human who is suffering wants relief - desperately, desperately wants relief from the pain - but relief is not death.

I don't know....I think I'm opinionated about this because I have experienced how the body holds on even when every other inch of you is trying so, so hard to let go. It is entirely different from having a wasting disease (which is basically the kind of terminal illness we associate with euthanasia). And I think it is also people wrestling with mechanically keeping the body alive after the point where it has actually stopped.

Sorry for the soapbox. Not really directing it at you, @Still survivin - more at the topic, which is a difficult but important one.

 

[StarChild]

What gives anyone the right to say I don't deserve to be released from my suffering in a safe environment with medications proven to be humane?

Exactly this:

The human who is suffering wants relief - desperately, desperately wants relief from the pain - but relief is not death.

There's a big, BIG difference between relief and to kill oneself for the alleged "benefit" of it. Suicide as you describe it, is nothing else than to run away from your life. A cheap escape. Nothing more, nothing less. And stop argue about "all those who suffer mentally". Show at least that much honesty to say *I*, not *they*! Because that's the real reason here, isn't it? Don't come here and try to pull people into a "general" discussion, in which we, from your point of view, are only allowed to "agree" with your twisted arguments. Yeah, such manipulative / twisted arguing does make me angry!

Another question; Why do you want that people "allow" or even support you to commit suicide at all? It's obvious, that it's not the same thing when you have to do it yourself by your own hands, compared to an "assisted suicide" in which someone "officially" provides you a lethal mix of substances, pets your head and tells you "Enjoy and good on you, you poor, poor thing". (Yeah, sarcasm here, big fat sarcasm!) - Even in this matter, you seem to look for the easiest way out to get rid of your life. Seems to be a thing eh? The easiest way...

- Damn, really! Life is not easy, not fair and no fairy tale, but despite everything, it's really worth living it! Pull your finger out and start working on the pain you suffer, or just sit there, and "contemplate" about your assumed right to not take responsibility for your own life, and how you live it. Like it or not!

Oh, and of course can you tag or quote me, but I won't answer. Because I have no interest in "discussing" further your arguments.