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Just Triggered Or A Dealbreaker?

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Personally, I think you both need to step back and chill. It's a hypothetical question that you are both deep into arguing about. It's senseless really, cause it's hypothetical..... Why would anyone fight or argue over something that may or may not even happen??????
 
It sounds like you both need to immediately learn how to deescalate.

Then I really recommend the writing & work of John Gottman, especially the 7 principles of Making Marriage work.
If she is afraid to enter couples therapy, respect that fear. In a few weeks she may feel differently.
 
Also no one in a forum can tell you what to do about your marriage. It's a very very serious decision. I hope we can give you resources, and insight. We tend to repeat traumatic patterns (as you noted with your father) and you both need help breaking them. She needs help with her anxiety, you with your attachment. I think both of you have crossed the line but that doesn't have to be the end of it. And this will not improve overnight, weeks, or months. And that's okay. I would also recommend a couple's forum because it can be useful to see these fights and arguments outside of the context of trauma and PTSD. All couples have these fights that get blown out. But if your history includes related traumas and triggers, imo the fights are much worse and your body doesn't relax the way a normal person's does. Being around- even virtually- other couples who are willing to share the little and big fights they have is something I find soothing as I regularly question what is normal.
 
Real issues.

Underlying personality differences seem to be such that I would question the decision to be together in the absence of trauma/PTSD.

But------perhaps this is my own personal bias. I can't see ever wanting to be with someone who has a history of abandoning------everyone.

I seriously think you're engaging in major trauma recreation-------"conquering" the person who would stay with nobody else (neither person nor animal) is a way of conquering past demons and proving self worth.
 
Wow, everyone, thank you for the very thoughtful and helpful responses. I had an extremely intense therapy session yesterday. We are increasing therapy from once to twice weekly and extending the sessions (60 instead of 45 minutes). I can see from your feedback as well as my therapist's that the primary reason the other night spun so far out of control, was due to my abandonment trigger being set off. When my W posited that she may need companionship should I become vegetative, I did not hear that as an adult woman having a conversation with my spouse, I heard it as a three year old child whose mommy was dumping them at the orphanage.

I talked to my W who is in a very different individual space than I am, but who loves me very much and wants our marriage to succeed, as I do. I explained things as best as I could and asked for her patience and she granted it.

It is sobering to face my own abusiveness in this relationship and even in my previous relationship.

I am ready to tackle this and learn how to live in a healthier way.

Thanks to all who responded - you REALLY helped me see this situation differently.
 
Just a little update to this thread. My wife and I have good days and bad. In the long run I think I have to liberally borrow a quote someone else posted on another thread, which is that my wife's demons don't play well with mine, to be frank, they hate each other and when they are at odds they fight til the death. We love each other but we are not healthy together. I don't know where this leaves us. My therapy is really going well and I am working hard to re route my neurons around the traumatic wiring. I am using cognitive strategies to challenge my core traumatic beliefs about myself and they are having a positive effect. My wife is also in therapy however she is not a naturally insightful person and tends to blame others. She is also an explosive person who admits that she struggles to feel anything other than anger. I am open to the idea that my healing may lead me, in my confident, competent adult self, to leave this relationship. She can be very good to me but she can also be very bad.


Today was definitely bad. She became explosive and abusive to me today because she perceived that I was yelling at her. I was angry about a situation in the household and I was venting to her over the phone about it, she said I was yelling at her and blaming her, she responded by yelling at me, this was all over the phone. In the end, she said she would talk to me when I was calmer, and I hung up on her and set about calming myself by doing housework, chores, etc. I should mention I was having palpitations and problems breathing and I mentioned this over the phone prior to the conversation ending. Fifteen minutes later she shows up at the house. She was calling me names 'heinous 'horrible' 'immature' 'and then, in our kitchen, she ran up on me in an intimidating manner, raised her voice and went nose to nose with me. She next accused me of being out of control and hysterical and in a calm voice and body language I said, 'do I look out of control?' She continued to rant and I just nodded and smiled to everything she yelled I simply said Ok in a calm and even voice. Eventually she stopped and got on the phone to resolve the household issue I was upset about, she is the main point of contact and the person with the pull to make the needed things occur. She did this after swearing up and down that she would NOT do so, that I was just being a big immature baby and needed to grow the F up, and that the problem we are experiencing in the home - plumbing related - is normal and I just need to let it go. After being totally unwilling to see my side of the situation and actually coming home from work to scream at me about it, in the end, she 'takes my side' and makes the damn call I asked her to make hours ago over the phone. Very Jekyll and Hyde. Very familiar from my family of origin. When that was done, she then tried to kiss on me and act like everything was fine. I did not re-escalate the argument but I didn't give her the pass she was looking for, either. I just allowed her to kiss me on the top of the head, I told her to have a nice rest of her day, she said ILY, I said it back and then she left to go back to work.

What more is there to say? I have a very dear and close friend with whom I talk daily and he is safe to vent to when I am having a hissy fit, so I will choose him as a sounding board in lieu of my W as clearly what occurred today was destructive to us both. I think I did flip out today so I can look at that. I did use prescribed medication to help me calm down and it worked very well. The problem at the house is ongoing and won't be resolved any time soon, we are at the mercy of contractors who aren't prioritizing us at the moment, that I have to accept and it is very triggering, I feel unheard, unseen, unacknowledged and that is a massive hot button we are working on in my therapy. Nevertheless, it is my issue and I own it.

Feedback welcome
 
Your wife is verbally abusive. You standing ther smiling wasn't a good choice in my opinion. She need boundaries, she needs to stop being abusive and needs to respect you. But that's just my opinion. I certainly wouldn't let someone treat me that way. They would be on the outside looking in, because I demand better treatment than that.
 
You are right, my wife is verbally abusive. Believe it or not, she has improved. She is in therapy and is slowly gaining some understanding and occasional control over her outbursts. But obviously, they have not stopped. We are under a lot of stress with a home renovation that isn't going so well. Yesterday she actually said, 'I lack empathy.' I don't know what I am supposed to do with that exactly. Yes, a healthier person would leave. I am not there yet and may never be there.
 
I don't have any real answers, just wanted to mention something that stuck me. You mentioned early on, if I understood correctly, that you tend to have a "one foot out the door approach to relationships. Some people would find THAT to be a deal breaker. (I would) Your wife doesn't. Maybe that comes from the same place that lets her drop a cat off at a shelter, or consider an affair if confronted with a "vegetable" spouse. Just a thought.

Beyond that... you both have issues and it sounds like you both know it and are working on it. It's a legitimate question whether either of you value the relationship enough to make it worth sticking around to see what happens. To decide that, it seems to me you each have a right to know what the other is dealing with and what the prognosis is. How about a joint session with her T and also with yours?

I don't think we need to hang around and abusive relationship. But, most of the time, the "abuser" doesn't see that they have anything they need to work on. Seems like maybe your wife does. Which doesn't mean you have to stick it out. Just try to be clear in your own mind what your reasons are for leaving.
 
I am seconding @scout86, here... Your original post states that you always have one foot out the door, but you got into a massive row over whether she could seek companionship in the unlikely and unforetellable event that you're in a coma??? What the hell. So, you're not fully committed, but should you become a vegetable at some point, and she seeks companionship... That idea enrages you to the point of being a dealbreaker?

Others have said her actions/words are abusive. I get the sense you both have a shitload of work to do, if this relationship is one that will be salvaged and sustainable. Sure. But I really want you to take a hard look at yourself when you're thinking about such "dealbreakers" in the context of your own level of investment in and emotional dedication to the relationship. Really.
 
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