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My Sister And I Disagree On What To Tell Our Children

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Even though my sister is only 21 and 4 years younger than me, we both know that she'll become a mother first, and that it'll happen sooner rather than later. She's been thinking about weddings and starting a family a lot lately. The other day she asked me what we'll tell our future children about our own childhoods. She insists that we have to say the same things, so that our kids don't get conflicting stories from their cousins, and while I do see the wisdom there, we disagree on what/how to tell them.

This is a concern that I've obsessed over for short periods many times in the past and never really sorted out for myself, but now I have the new issue of letting my little sister have input on what I should and shouldn't say. My first instinct when she brought this up a few days ago was to be offended, though I tried not to show it. We were both physically and emotionally abused, we were both abandoned in public places, and we were both exposed to drugs, pornography, violence and alcohol abuse at the hands of our father, but there are some major differences between our experiences. I was raped repeatedly for the last 3 years that he was in our lives, and she was not. I'm terrified of driving, I fear drunkenness, and I have intrusive thoughts of violent acts and accidents. She couldn't wait to get her license, started drinking well before she was legal, and doesn't know how prevalent those thoughts are for me. I've struggled with self harm since I was 2 years old. No, that isn't a typo. I have unusually clear memories of my very early childhood, and I remember pinching my fingers in closet doors just to feel the pain and make red lines on my fingertips at the age of 2. I didn't start doing things that would leave scars until my late teens, but now I do have prominent scars on my arms and legs. My sister considered harming herself, but has never done it.

To be clear, she does have PTSD as well, but it has affected her differently.

She's specifically concerned with what to say when our future children ask why their grandfather isn't in the picture. She wants a short and sweet answer that will prevent further questions, but isn't a lie (no telling them that he's dead) and won't frighten them (no just saying "he was a very bad man"). She also doesn't want to say that he left us, because she doesn't want to leave room for them to imagine a good man. While I agree that this is a good sort of answer for small children, we disagree on when to say more, and we disagree on what we'll say.

I think it goes without saying that I should not (and would not) ever share graphic details of my abuse with my kids or hers when they're young, and probably not even when they're in their early/mid teen years, but I don't think that they should be left with no details at all if they're asking, and I don't agree with withholding that sort of information from older teens and young adults. They're only going to accept "he used to hurt me when I was younger" for so long before they want to know what that means. When and what should I say? She thinks that should be all we ever say until they're adults.

She does not (currently) have any places that she can't go because of her PTSD, but I do. She knows that I hate the PNE (fair grounds & theme park in Vancouver) because of events surrounding our abuse, but she thinks it's stupid that I don't think I'll ever be able to go their with my children. She has said more than once that I'm going to be a boring parent because of it. I'm not sure if she remembers that I was raped there. I've been back once since our father walked out of our lives, and I was fine until we reached the midway where the games and food stalls are, because it was close to the specific spot where I was raped, and I got physically sick there. I had to stay in the park because it was a senior year field trip in high school for physics class (measuring G forces on a roller coaster, anyone?) but I kept having panic attacks after that until we left. I have never gone back there since, with the exception of attending one concert at the Orpheum theatre on the same property, but we parked as far away from the fair grounds as possible and I still felt really uneasy whenever we weren't in the building. There are other places I simply cannot go because I get the same reactions, and they're all the sort of places I would otherwise want to take my kids to. There is a specific swimming pool, for example, that's absolutely off limits because of the multiple rapes that I endured in the family changing rooms. I've actually been triggered by the smell of chlorinated water in other locations as well. (On a related note, I have no idea how I'm going to handle family changing rooms in general when the time comes!) My sister, on the other hand, can't wait to take her kids there because it's a wave pool with a water slide, and it's where we both learned to swim.

How am I supposed to explain to my future kids why I won't take them to the biggest theme park in the province? What am I supposed to tell them when Auntie Jess wants to take them to the pool at W.C. Blair and I won't go along? This was already going to be difficult enough without my sister not wanting me to tell any of our future kids much about our father at all.

What am I supposed to tell those future kids (both mine and hers) about my scars? I am not ashamed of my scars, and I do not wish to hide or diminish them, but I am also not comfortable with the thought of telling my children and nieces & nephews about self harm.
 
Gosh I feel for you. I am afraid I have little to suggest. I don't have children and won't be having them.

But although I can understand why your sister wants you to agree on a story I just don't think it is viable. Not only are we all unique and our experiences unique but relationships with children tend to be different too. I too am totally differently affected to my siblings. And I am much more affected as well as having experienced things they did not.

I hope someone can offer you something more practical.
 
How to explain why mine and my husband's family has very minimal contact with us has been a huge issue for us. We have 3 children with a 3-4 year gap in between them so they are all at different stages for understanding. Children are naturally inquisitive. They will ask you 20 question over the course of an hour while baking some cookies and only a few of those questions will be about the baking process. You're right that the "he's a bad man" explanation will only work for so long, if it works at all. It could just stir up their imagination which brings on more question or frightens them. Being too vague can have the exact effect you are trying to avoid as children will fill in the gaps with imagining of some big scary boogeyman.

Really what you want is just enough explanation to sate their curiosity for a while. This is one of the many ongoing discussions in our household. Abuse and how it effects us is a big topic that cannot be explained once and then dropped. It's an ever morphing beast and the kids will see it, see the changes and see how they're family is different from the other kids families.

I do have a few pointers that I have learned in my trial and error that I'd like to share. I'm also willing to bet that many other people here have some others. I'd be very cool to have them all in one place.

1. Each child learns and experiences the world differently. How you talk to one child is inherently different than how you talk to another one. Your explanation will have to be different.

2. It's easier when you take yourself out of the subject. Abuse is pretty wide spread. Chances are our kids will find others in similar situations. Conversations about good touching (a hug from a good friend, a high five from the teacher) and bad touching (someone hitting them, some one touching the bathing suit zone) should begun when they are quite young. As well as when it's good to protect privacy and when a secret is dangerous. I've built this into the how to be a good friend conversation and the how to keep ourselves safe talks.

3. Talk about other big topics and make them ongoing conversations. When you keep talking about everything under the sun, especially the taboo topics, your kids learn that their parents are here for them. They will be more likely to come to you in a crisis.

4. Keep your tone light and matter of fact. I mean your actual voice. It lets the kids know that this is a safe place to talk freely.

5. Use a little appropriate humor. These are big topics lightening the conversation can help kids not feel overwhelmed.

6. All conversations are highly variable. Who each individual is, the subject matter, where your sitting what mood your in all effects how things will go. You will know your child best so you make the decision of what and how to explain. How you handle things will be different from how I or your sister handle things and that's just fine.

7. Ask question and listen. Don't just explain. This might be the most important. We are not the only influence on our kids. They may have heard things from other sources or filled in gaps with their imaginations. It's a conversation not a monologue.

I'm interested to hear ideas from other people here too. I could always use some additional tips to add to my parenting bag of tricks. I also hope that that was a helpful thought starter.

Keep talking to you sister. She may change her mind but if not maybe you can agree to disagree. The eventual cousin might trade stories. They might not. They might just eaves drop on a grown up conversation and get quite an earful that they are not ready for.
 
Hello,

Though this might only constitute my personal style and/or inclination, perhaps the best approach would be to compile a written record of the specific dynamic suffered eventuating with the strong recovery you've mounted right at present in your own words. Perhaps such could be presented as a memoir of sorts at an age you judge suitable consistent with the maturity of the intended reader to understand in depth and sans worry of dilution just what the total experience meant to you, and afford him/her/them strength for your noble example consistent with your saying 'Yes' to life.

A document capturing your best efforts to articulate thoughts and experiences most uncomfortable will lend matters a certain dignity that might be hard to blend into the difficult revelatory process that might otherwise not strictly unfold in a manner or with the depth of feeling you'd strictly desire. If a series of discussions afford the same or still greater value - very good this, but should aspects of the discussion to come not quite afford you the peace desired, the dignity of a well-written record might just afford you the 'guarantee' of sorts that allows you to prepare for contingencies. Just one voice, and others will surely contribute both more and better...

M.
 
Thanks to all thee of you, these responses do help :) If anyone else has ideas and tips, I welcome those too!
 
Parenting is a challenge. I have 4 sisters and we were all molested by our father for years. We never discussed 'how' to parent with each other. The fact is, when you parent, you put your child first, and for my sisters and I, we respected each other's right to decide how to do this with our own children. Most of us, as our children became old enough, made sure that our children never spent time alone with our dad, but the sister that had only sons didn't do this because our father was into 'girls' and she didn't need to. She also chose to never discuss our abuse with them, but the rest of us did as our children became adults. The main reason for this has been to protect them, inform them, make sure they protected THEIR children, knew the signs, learned that most abuse is familial, and to help them understand US. The sister that has kept it secret also pretends that she had a perfect childhood, etc. We are all so different. The rest of us acknowledge our dysfunctional childhoods. We HAVE to parent to best ready our children for this world, while respecting each other. You and your sister are still very young. TRUST that the answers will come to you as you parent, and that neither of you would wish harm to the other or her children. I have no doubt that over the years my nephews have heard about their grandfather's abusive behavior from their cousins...but it's a small price to pay to protect and warn the ones that were vulnerable.
 
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