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People Sympathise With Trauma, But Not It's Effects - So Sad About This Story.

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Meadowsweet

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I get so confused over the verbal bashing of people with PTSD here, because I don't think I've done anything wrong. I've been abused, I didn't do anything wrong. I'm not a soldier (and I don't judge those that are), but I haven't killed anyone, and in my work and my home life, I am the carer.

It matters to me to try to be a good person. But i feel like this disorder cancels out anything good I could ever do, because in the end people will judge me as just PTSD, and the human being who has been hurt and STILL keeps caring for others, still keeps working hard is ignored. It doesn't count for shit.

What's started me off on this is the story that the woman who confronted Lee Rigby's attackers, then stayed with him and held his hand, was detained today for racially abusing someone in the supermarket, and later 'released into the the care of the NHS' (sectioned).

For those who don't know the story of Lee Rigby, he was a soldier from the UK. In a busy street in the UK, in the day when people were going about their work and shopping, he was attacked by two men and beheaded in the street because he was a soldier and in his civilian clothes, but wearing a 'help the heroes' t-ahirt.

So it wasn't a small thing that this woman did, and it wasn't something that anyone would have done (many, many people didn't). But because of what she did, she might end up an outcast from this society - she may be the mad woman who it's so hard for anyone to care about.

To me personally, when I read about Lee Rigby, my PTSD was pretty bad, and I thought to myself, what good would I have been - I'd have been frozen and unable to move. So this woman's genuine bravery and concern for others, touched me and gave me some encouragement at the time, to keep trying to get better.

Just knowing that this hypocritical society who called her an 'angel' will turn against her as easily if the scars of what she went through show.
 
I don't know - I think most people who know the story would be sympathetic to what she went through and it's clear she is suffering / not well since she was put on a mental health hold. Of course not everyone will - and maybe the person she insulted racially won't be too understanding if they were greatly upset about her behaviour at the time.

What I think is much worse is when PTSD is used as an excuse to act out in whatever way people think is justifiable given their diagnosis - I'm thinking of a few well publicised cases where PTSD has been used as a defence when it's quite clear (to those who is firsthand what PTSD is) the persons PTSD was not to 'blame' for their horrific crimes - and they need to take responsibility. (I'm taking about major crimes here like murder, or beating up their wives).

I committed a crime when I was badly dissociated and struggle in with PTSD - but I was still responsible for what I did. Yes, I was unwell but that did not mean I should not have to face the consequences for what I did. And there were some pretty big ones: suspended jail sentence, paying off $10,000 in damages at $5 a week - took many years to pay it off, a criminal record (closed now as I did not reoffend, so it's technically wiped, although not if I'm applying for a passport / visitors permit when traveling overseas), my DNA held in the national police data bank.
 
I wasn't defending criminal acts, which is probably the next thing I'll be accused of. I was just upset that having been such a hero, she'll be viewed as scum of the earth if she has PTSD.
 
I wasn't defending criminal acts, which is probably the next thing I'll be accused of. I was just upset that having been such a hero, she'll be viewed as scum of the earth if she has PTSD.

I know you weren't :hug:. I don't think that was what you were saying at all. It just came to me that (in my opinion) the opposite would be 'worse'. I do feel for that woman and I'm sure most people would. They would be far more understanding about her 'misbehaviour' than most other people in her situation who had been through trauma some people deem to be 'not as bad'. Her trauma was something I think just about 'everyone' out in the wider would realise and acknowledge was a massive thing to go through; whereas 'child abuse' anything 'less' [insert eye roll here] than the worst accounts in books I think most people would fail to see it as being possible to cause 'as' much trauma to us as it has.
 
Im sorry I do not know this story, but get the drift of what you are saying. It feels like no matter "what we do",, we are defined by our diagnosis. Like you Meadowsweet, I did not do anything to cause myself to suffer ptsd, and the depression and anxiety that goes along with it. I have been a very caring person.

My story is a bit different. While I was raised in an alcoholic home (mother and 4 sisters) with a depressed mother and there was a lot of chaos and trauma, I never thought It caused ptsd. I married at 17 and he abused me. After 6 yrs and during seperation, he stalked me (back in the early 80's). I was told that I had symptoms of ptsd then. I ended up abusing alcohol for a year or two, half bottle of wine to sleep every night. I was later diagnosed with ptsd and fibromyalgia. I set myself up for a safe and secure environment as I remarried and had 2 small children. I became very positive and healthy.Good fitness, healthy diet, socialization, pta mom, etc. I loved my life. For the next 10 or more years-life was great, except for one thing, my husband was passive aggressive, but I am a very adaptable person so it worked. He withheld sex, or had no desire, he sabotaged my parenting some, but I just worked harder. After his many refusals for counseling. I checked out emotionally and we seperated. I was in grad school at the time with 2 teen daughters. I had confidence, good self esteem, was inspired and motivated and creative. I had a great job helping battered women.

During seperation, the oldest daughter was very mean, cruel to me, rebellious. I admit I was a bit over protective. Just before her graduation, I had a bad fall where the back of my head bounced off a concrete floor to unconsciousness. I broke a rib and had a partial pneunothorax. I came to with management of the store and paramedics over me and very confused. It was 2 yrs before I learned that I suffered an axonal injury with frontal lobe damage. But I think this was the beginning of ptsd-or according to therapist, might have triggered. It was the realization that my life could be over in a new york second. One would think that this would make me precacious, but it was opposite-I became more of a risk taker. During those 2 yrs my personality changed. I got frustrated and was impulsive, and too sympathetic to others that did not deserve it. I also realize looking back that I was often a smart ass to some people.

Then I dated a guy that I really liked. He made me feel so safe, and he was there during my daughters abusive spells, which helped me to not feel so crazy. One day we had a fight and I asked him for us to take a break. He gathered his things but then wanted to go back into my bedroom. I would not allow so he called the police. Since I worked in this field, I knew the law. This was my house, his stuff was by the back door, he does not use this address or pay any bills here, so they would tell him to hit the road and if I had something of his, take it up with magistrate. I offered to go get what he forgot but he would not say what it was. I told the officer to go get it. I told the officer that I would not interfere if he gave him permission but would hold him responsible if other items were missing. The officer knew me from working with victims, but possibly confused, insisted he arrested me somewhere. He was mean to me and made me sit on the floor and would not allow me to dress as my pj's were not covering me. Long and short, he used excessive force in an arrest that he called "obstruction". It clearly was a false arrest according to 15 attorneys. But none want to sue a cop (locally).

This set full blown ptsd in motion. I was a real mess. I was at the bottom. I would awake on the floor or in the bathroom with pills spilled. I finally overdosed from anxiety , pain, and muscle relaxers given me for injuries sustained by police. Since then, 6 yrs ago, each time I get a bit better physically and emotionally, there is a set back, some which is police harrassment. What I am guilty of is picking lousy men-I suppose from my upbringing. The last man I dated for only 4 months knew my fear of police. I would not call if I was being murdered. Maybe because I would welcome murder, but not further trauma. The last guy was a drunk and mooch, and I finally kicked him out and told him not to come back. This was after 2 months of emotional abuse. My impulses did kick in. Afterwards I texted him messages, some mean words, but other things I seem to need for closure and pointing out how he is hurting himself. He began frequenting the only place I go with friends, or sending his friends to harrass me. I have annonymous threatening calls. He threatened that he gave me HIV and Hep C which is what really put me over the edge. I admit some bad behavior. I dont know whether the police, prosecutors, magistrates think I am crazy, a liar, or so smart that I am trying to outsmart them. This guy has entered my house 3 times and I told him to stop in texts. In my state, all you have to do is ask someone not to contact you and if they do, they can charge you with stalking. After he sent that message, I asked him to call his buddies off of me and just make a truce. He filed stalking charges.

I live in a small town. I have a license to practice counseling independently. Word spreads quickly and inaccurately too. Its like being shunned. People in general are not kind here, they are not compassionate. They know I have a head injury and ptsd which is quite a combination. From this, I have many other major problems, torn rotator cuff, return of fibromyalgia and cfids, documented sleep disorder. I have worked very hard to become more responsible and less impulsive and not a smart ass. I think people do treat the symptoms of ptsd as a plague. My T insists that I can turn my life around, and I charge myself up to do so. Then the left shoe always seems to drop. My response may not be "normal". When I told the magistrate that the bf had entered my house and done these other things, he asked why I didnt call the police then. Hell no, if I dont answer quick enough and the cop is impatient, they beat you up. People with ptsd can be some of the most compassionate and caring people, yet we can be treated like we are defective, therefor defining ourselves as nothing but ptsd.

Sorry for the length, but my point is that if police, magistrates, and prosecutors do not understand the disorder (never went anywhere this guy went or near his home-have not seen him once since I ended relationship), how can we expect the ordinary people to understand it and not be in fear of it. These charges are retaliation for my ending the relationship, one that he thought he could keep abusing me in because of my sharing my tolerence, fears, ptsd from the false arrest in 2008.

So I also agree that ptsd it not a free ticket to commit crimes and use as defense to get off, and I commend you for taking responsiblity NovemberStar. I am willing to take responsibility for any actions I committed, and I admit that I was revengeful in ways. I dont think that we should be used as a target from the public or government. Im sure government is not the same everywhere as it is here. I have spent $60 in printer ink to print off messages, false facebook invites, letters left in my home when his friend harrassed me and two of my friends in a public establishment, destruction of property. With my brain injury, it takes me 10 times as long to organize documents. I am the one being stalked and if I can get this all together-I can prove it. In the meantime, the police reports make vague statements without dates. I am trying to get all phone bills in order for proof, but the charge was filed may 10 and they wont tell my attorney what I did until July 23rd.

We are stigmatized so harshly. Is it any surprise that so many people who post share that they have suicide ideation. We can only do our best to be the best we can, practice positive thinking, meditate, see a therapist, medicate if necessary, try to live as normal life as possible. Try to ignore the ignorance in our society and see the good in ourselves and accept our shortcomings. I just dont want this police harrassment to get me back to the point of suicide, and it has been on my mind ever since
 
God Brat...can't believe that if you ask someone to stop calling you YOU are the one who can get charged for stalking? How does that even work?
 
@Meadowsweet I am familiar with the horrific story of Lee Rigby. I had not heard of the recent events of the brave lady. I do recall her bravery on that day.

I hope she gets sympathetic care. The fact that she was sectioned says a lot. Clearly she appeared very unwell. I hope she gets well soon.
 
It just makes me feel like giving up. I'll get over it (again), but I feel like why bother. The self centred people who imagine the world is all about them are those who get on this world, while sitting in judgement of people who forsake those petty successes because they care whether people hurt or not.

There's a woman I know, and every week I give her kid a lift, to and from a club he goes to with my son. She doesn't work, but I've been up since 6am to care first for my own family, then for the people I care for at work. And yet she never offers to share lifts. Then tonight i turned up to give her son a lift, and he'd gone a bit earlier to help her out - rather than apologising, she just asked if I was bringing them back.

It's a daft thing, but it's not the first time, it's a regular thing for her to take advantage. I'm so angry - but I don't show it to her. I come here and whinge and rant. Yet, I have PTSD, which apparently means that I must be full of rage and must abuse people or not be able to control my anger, or so I've read people say.

Except that's utter shit. I'm not remotely like that. I'll take and bring back week after week after week, I'll go out to work, I'll care for others and I'll shut the f*ck up and not annoy people with the reality of what abuse does. Because the world isn't about reality, it's about protecting self-centred arrogant people from reality..
 
Well I never heard that you abused anybody or anything.. Just saying. I quite like you in fact.

And yeah, it is monstrous how society will do anything to avoid looking at the ugly truths in life. It's all about distraction and distancing themselves from those with troubles, then blaming those with troubles for everything wrong in their own lives. Sad.. I feel ya..

:hug:
 
Thank you go hungry, for putting it so well.

Probably what I do seems quite normal to people, lots of people do my job, lots of people care for family without support. But what people don't see, and don't appreciate, is the work I put in and sometimes, the sacrifices I make, so that others don't have to see or even know about the effects of trauma.

It's like managing the effects of trauma, is like carrying a ton weight by yourself. It would be wrong to ask someone else to carry that ton weight. But its wrong also, for people to behave like as you're carrying that, you might as well carry a bit of theirs too. Whereas if they were less ignorant about the world they live in, and the weight of it that you already carry for them, they might offer a bit more selflessly, to help carry it.

Sometimes, when I see people judging because they can't see what others live with, I would love to show them what it is i keep in for them.
 
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