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Ptsd And Religion

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George MacDonald has a book called At the Back of the North Wind. I read it when I was little, and the again several years ago, then a couple years ago.

After that, because I'm in the high functioning autism spectrum (bet you can't tell ;) ), I read it about six more times because I sensed there was something important in it for me.

I was right. Or I hope I was, anyway. In it, (huge spoiler alert, code red!), the North Wind represents suffering and/or death. As such she is a direct agent of God. She never knows the purpose of her activities, and she sometimes feels a bit unhappy about them, but she is wholly trusting that she is doing right.

The North Wind befriends a boy, who eventually (spoiler alert code purple!) dies of the marsh fever he catches while out with her. But meanwhile what the North Wind teaches him, grows "like a mustard seed" and changes dozens of London lives for the better.

Macdonald repeats this theme very often in his works. Suffering is the old/young woman, always beautiful and loving, as stately as a goddess and patient as a mother.

Some very early Christian authors (orthodox, not the dubious ones) saw suffering in the same light. They saw trials, pains, even small inconveniences, as reminders that the Father was guiding their way.

Somewhere along the way, trials and suffering turned into "tests" of our faith, and "punishment" even for sins.

There's stuff that happens because people don't know who they are anymore. They've gotten lost. Their focus is in the wrong place.

No matter how great your focus is yourself, if someone drops a brick on your head, under normal circumstances, it will hurt.

I can't pray that away. What? Do I not have enough faith? Well, my faith muscle primarily resides in the space that is presently occupied by stars, thank you.

Did God send the brick?

Well, yes. In my reading I see he ultimately does have the final say in human decisions, though clearly he's installed a will truly independent of his.

It's now my turn to *do* something, I believe, with the Brick Incident. I have very limited choices, but some of them can really make a difference in my life.

I can throw it back at the Brick Throwing Dude.

I can sit down and make a huge scene.

I can pretend, as best I can, it didn't happen.

I can go to law enforcement.

I can bleed or not.

I can get a big bruise.

I can activate my amygdala.

So some of those last aren't really up to me. To me, they are a reminder that others are also subject to suffering as I am.

As to the Brick Throwing Dude, as a follower of Christ I'm to remember (maybe after my headache goes away), that my part is to identify suffering in others and heal wounds. Maybe this is an opening with the BTD? I have actually had something like this happen a couple of times!

What if it really is unmistakably my own mistake? My philosophy now is, God really just wants me to make the choice at hand right this second. If I screw that up, that is what "suffering" is for.

I think this is really hard to explain in today's western culture. If you've trained horses you understand how they can be taught, without force, to move from pressure.

If you've ever had a trainer demonstrate how this works on *you*, you may understand how you can learn extremely rapidly from tiny pressure cues (pointing/blocking from a whip).

The cues start larger, but as you learn to recognize them, they diminish until you feel as if you and the trainer are psychic. It's crazy weird and awesome at the same time. No words or commands have passed, only you opening your mind and will to the trainer.

I believe this is the ultimate goal of any type of suffering, to get us to open our mind and will to the Creator. And I believe, from both reading and personal experience, all he wants is to finish "making" us,
 
This is the last chapter of the story. My current favorite verse.

Come! Come to Me,
All of you exhausted with weeping,
All of you oppressed with worries.
Come, and you will find rest with Me.
Be a fellow worker with Me,
And learn from Me.
For My tasks are straightforward.
And My work will never be too difficult.
You will find a heart of patience and gentleness.
And you will discover the source of joy and rest.

From Matthew 11:28-29

Edited to make it clear the poem was about Christ, not me. :P
 
Wow, guys!

I started this thread to answer a question about my wife's PTSD. She, among many other things, has been struggling with her faith. I wanted to know if I could attribute this struggle with her PTSD, or if it was something else. I was trying not to make it a theological discussion, but it seems to have taken on a life of it's own.

And an incredibly fascinating one!

Please, if there is something on your heart with regards to your relationship with God, or lack thereof, share it.

This thread is turning into one of my favorites very quickly.

Thanks for all the great posts!!
 
As a PTSD sufferer, I spent years in church and approaching God in a way to seek atonement for my sins. See I had this huge load of self-blame, shame and guilt and figured this was the way to rid myself of it. I also thought that if I did everything "right" God would be pleased and the "wrong" would stop.

I don't have a denomination and I have no problem attending any church, but I come "as I am". I just focus on the loving God and loving others and really everything else kind of falls into place.

I think you said everything I was trying and thinking to say...but could not/didn't know how to express.
 
I think because ptsd is incurable it can be easy to feel God has (or would) abandon 'us', in struggles to cope or understand or find a solution.

I think oftentimes the only example of 'God' are people who believe in Him and of course as people we may not act very kind etc. Then people lose faith in God, sometimes.

I think God is incomprehensibly kind, and suffered much, so I didn't feel God or religion was to blame.

I think I have faith in God and think He helps and exists in Miraculous ways but also in very practical ways, between and in people (if that makes sense).
 
I think because ptsd is incurable it can be easy to feel God has (or would) abandon 'us', in struggles to cope or understand or find a solution.

Exactly... that clicked for me and through working with a lot of chronically ill people who were dealing with disease... I looked for the people who best managed their illness and were coping. Not all but a lot had a faith based background. I began to see beyond my own sin/guilt/shame... and that matters of faith had answers for what was going on in peoples lives every day... not just whether or not we are chosen, saved, and what happens when we die. I made my adult choices and modeled myself after the people who most embodied what I wanted to become for myself. I am flawed, and don't walk it every day... I try to and it's not easy. But nothing worthwhile is easy, and I can view my PTSD and depressive tendencies and live my life like God has forsaken or is punishing me... that there is no God and I'm all alone here with only my own resources... or I can live it by following in the well worn path of several thousands of years and many many people who have not only lived remarkable lives... but endured a lot of suffering. I chose the last one, and when I get down for a time... I choose it again, and again, and as many times as it takes for me to learn how to live in a way that I can have peace, compassion, love an kindness. I actually almost became buddhist.
 
I think I 'lost' (was more like 'shock') my faith after a particular trauma, though I don't know if I can say 'lost' because I only remember trying to cope (fairly well as far as outside appearances, very badly in reality), and I can't recall what I felt about God, exactly, but I had about 4 years of near rapes, near death -experiences, self- harm and a couple of 'unsuccessful' suicide attempts. 'Going back' to God about 4 years later coincided with healthier behaviour.

I choose to believe God is Love.
I actually feel badly for God in that if He is nothing 'harmful' (but the opposite) that people think He is- if He feels differently and loves everyone- then He really is misunderstood (not that I understand Him, either, of course).
I don't think God creates evil things.

I think suffering is not useless but unused.
 
HI----I also lost my faith. I tried like mad to cling to it. I was in "accountability' and had a "prayer partner". They were all so dedicated until God didn't do sh*t. Then, guess who was to blame? Then they said I didn't have enough faith or was too negative. They said God does not test you beyond what you can bear, then it was , well, GOD didn't test you, XY and Z did.

Then there were all these theologies o f suffering, CS Lewis, Bonoeffer, Jesus in desert and it all got too bizarre. Bottom line, I suffered beyond what I could bear. I did not survive. Someone else emerged.

I still try. I go to a few small groups, but I never tell them what I feel. I just nod and smile and pretend I believe when I dont I am not being a hypocrite because I want to believe. I miss my faith! BUt it is just not there. I can 't make it what it's not.

The kind of suffering that rips your mind out of your skull and leaves you staring at a blank sky for years, suffering, causing your physical illness and automimmune disorders and neuro disorders all on top of it all.............. is hell. They say Jesus felt it.........for three hours. Big Whoop. I say he got off easy if that is true. Try a life time of certain and painful decline.
 
I have a list of questions for God. Not a bad list, just random things that I will probably never know the answer to and would like to know like, some serious, some funny, some just curious, like (to name a few)...

What really happened to Amelia Earhard?
What is the cure for cancer?
My father---a cheater and abusive? ( not really a question, but there is some doubt)
What happened to me that I don't remember?
Was Marie Antoinette framed?
Historical what are some things we never found out that I would find interesting?

I'll add something like this thread to my list, when I think of all the different question.
 
My trauma made me turn to God because it caused me to have a spiritual awakening; I truly experienced God's magnificent love. I am Catholic but hadn't been to church regularly for years until then. Church gave me a safe place when things were bad, a way to communicate with God in His own house, a place of peace and acceptance where I could be with Him as I suffered. I know now that unless I turn my back on Him that I will never be alone again.

I love the structure of the church and it's solidity. Believing in God and allowing Him into my life has returned a dignity that was gone for many years.

If there were no religion I would still believe in and love God, but I am so grateful that there is, because it gave me a home when I had none.
 
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