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Ptsd- Pushed Away And Confused

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Hi, folks. I was looking for a place to talk, didn't know where to go, and found this site. I apologize in advance for the length of the story here. First off, there's a woman I love deeply that sufferers from severe PTSD. She was sexually assaulted in the military. We first met in high school (I was 15, she 13). We dated twice during our youth, and finally broke up when she was 18 and I 20. I was in college far away, she joined the military. 12 years went by, and about 5 years ago, she searched me out and found me on Facebook. She came home (she lives where she had been stationed, which is halfway across the country) and asked to meet. She was married (he stayed home) and was with her infant son. I agreed, thinking I'd visit for an hour and leave. As soon as she opened the door and we locked eyes, I could tell she wanted me back. My theory was confirmed that night when she kissed me passionately as told me she wanted to move back home and see if we could start over. For five years, we've had the typical ups and downs of a distance relationship, but she would get pretty adamant of her attraction toward me and love for me as a person. She got divorced about a year ago.

Finally, in February, she texted me and said she'd be home in two days to see me for Valentine's Day. She said she was down and her friend and her friend's husband asked her to write what she wanted in a man. She looked at what she wrote down and claimed it was a description of me. They were paying for her to fly home to see me. We spent a few great days together and she went home. For a good two months, we had awesome video conversations. I got to see/talk to her now 5 year old son quite a bit. She began texting me that she loved me and told me I was the only person she cared enough about to get a relationship right with. Then, one day in May, I went on Facebook and saw her posts of pictures of another guy and gushing about how he was a "dream she didn't want to wake up from" and more. I was devastated. I told her it was disrespectful to make me find out that way and that I needed time away. She pleaded with me and tried to justify her dating was just to find out for sure. Time went by, and she contacted me telling me she was sick. She needed comforting. Apparently, the relationship with the guy was over. A few weeks later, she called me crying hysterically, saying she didn't know what she was doing with her life, that she couldn't control her PTSD, that it was destroying her and her son's life, and expressed frustration that the VA wasn't giving her enough help. As usual, my heart went out to her, obviously, I love her. She said she was absolutely going through with coming home. The only thing she flopped back and forth on was whether she live with me or her mom to start, though the push away/pull back and other PTSD symptoms seemed to only worsen.

In August, I arranged for her to fly home for 3 weeks. The first week, I saw the PTSD symptoms up close- she wouldn't meet my parents, rejected any trips to see friends, didn't want me to touch her, and threw out there that she need to "see if she could be attracted to me because I wasn't her typical type, physically). The last part really threw me for a loop. Where did that come from? I wasn't the type that she typically picked and hurt her, but she always made me feel like she found me very attractive. The next two weeks were awesome. She seemed so happy, and though the wall was there (no lip kissing or sex), she was warm and affectionate toward me. I saw a book in the bookstore about aromatherapy, which she used to help her condition. I took her there and bought it for her. She grabbed me, put her head on my chest, and hugged me so warmly right in front of everyone in line. It seemed like the barrier was finally down. She blasted photos of us together on Facebook and everyone assumed we were a couple. She called an "angel" God had given her. She talked to my mother for an hour and half (only her talking) about her condition, how she'd been wrong in choosing men, and that I was her getting it right. She spoke about being here permanently and being part of the family. She talked about repainting a room at my house, some rearraingments she'd make, us getting a jeep and a dog. She visited my 96 year old grandmother at the nursing home and told her she'd be back soon. Her son became VERY bonded to my parents and especially to me. He cried terribly and wouldn't let me go at the airport when she headed home. Her family was sad "to see me leave until Christmas", when she would come home again. Her sister cried and thanked me for being so great to her sister and to the family. Before she left, she asked that we talk every morning before work. I agreed. A week after she went back, she started to get distant. The Sunday of that week, she sent me a text with heart and kissing emojis. That Tuesday, she texted me (after I kept asking if she was OK) and told me she wasn't attracted to me, had no chemistry with me, and that she was staying there permanently. I was crushed. I reminded her of all she had said and promised. It was like it never happened. The more I reminded and told her I was confused, the angrier she got. I swear, the person texting me (she wouldn't talk on the phone with me) was a person I'd felt I'd never met before. She pretty much denied having feelings for me or having said anything to give me the idea that we had a romantic relationship in the works, ever. I sent her screenshots of texts that refuted that, and she told me "I'm over it" and cut me off. It felt like she had amnesia.

I've done a lot of research on PTSD to understand, and it's connection with BPD, memory loss, and depression. While it all explains a lot and shows examples of exactly what I've been dealing with, I still feel hollow, lost, and hurt. I take her at her word when she says she wants nothing with me and am in the process of accepting it, despite the hurt, and have stopped reaching out to her. I just feel like it's also her pushing me away, just more ferociously because we crossed a serious barrier. I'm going to take my own time for me, but should I just quit on her or is she suffering more than I know going home after having a great time up here? I truly worry about her dealing with being there with no support at all, not going to treatment, and dealing with her son (he has severe behavioral issues), and her ex who is not nice to her at all. Her mind changes like the weather, but I also need to protect my own emotions, no matter how much I love her.
 
Whatever is going on with her, she has not demonstrated that she can be a good partner.

Unless she has been diagnosed with other comorbid conditions, you cannot assume she has them because she has PTSD. You can't "logic" her behavior or excuse it. All we as supporters can do it react in a healthy way and set boundaries.

She cheated on her ex husband with you, then cheated on you with another man. PTSD does not cause cheating. If you google "PTSD and cheating" looking for reasons, you're going to find a lot of people trying to justify bad behavior. People want to find any reason "why"... except for the truth of the matter, that their partner is a cheater. PTSD may cause feelings that make cheating feel like a good coping mechanism, but a person still ultimately makes the decision to cheat. Is that something you're willing to live with?
 
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@Teacher78 I agree with sweetpea above. It made me feel a bit angry just reading that - such behaviour cannot be blamed on PTSD and there are plenty of people who carry on like that who do not have PTSD.
The relationship was based on dishonesty from the start - It's not a great trait to be able to live with someone and deceive them for so long.
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it's not PTSD that does that
 
I agree with both of the comments above, and also believe there is no excuse for treating someone like that. My ex boyfriend used to treat me like that and I I was already in a very trying situation. Then I found out he was messing around with my best friend at the time who set us up in the first place. I got so angry and upset I told both of them to take a hike. It hurt a lot for awhile but looking back on it now its the best thing I could've done. In time you will see that too you just have to let yourself hurt and work through it first
 
Yes, ptsd does not cause cheating. Especially, at her age there is no reason to cheat. Everyone has a choice not to cheat. How can you trust her? A relationship is based on trust. If you do not have trust, what do you have?
 
She cheated on her husband to be with you. It doesn't surprise me that she has now continued th patterns and is cheating on you to be with someone else.

She does need support but she is not in a place to engage a romantic relationship. She has shown that very consistently. She needs to stabilize first and dive into treatment before you and her should try to make this work - and she currently isn't willing to do that.

She is suffering but she isn't helpless. She has shown she does know how to reach out to support and I'm sure there are people who can find her professional supports.

I don't think it would be healthy for you or her for you to stay in the relationship. I don't see it as you quitting on her but you respecting what you both need to have a better chance to move towards a healthier life.

I'm so sorry this happened.

Instead of trying to sort out what is and isn't her pathology or not (which doesn't change much about if this relationships should continue or not anyhow) - I want to gently propose that you redirect your examination process.

I encourage you to take some time to work out why you engaged in a long distance romantic relationship with a married woman. Even without PTSD in the picture, you picked someone who was very unavailable for sustained healthy close relationship.

People who do that sometimes have unresolved issues of their own. They don't believe they are worthy of love or they are replaying (and trying to resolve) past relationship wounds. Or they don't think they are good enough to take the risk of pursuing available women who can sustain closeness. Or... well there are a lot of possibilities. I don't know if any of his applies to you or not, but it really strikes me how much and for how long you pursued someone who was so very unavailable for close relationship and you kept going and going even after many bumps in the road. Part of that might feel like love and attraction - and I have no doubt you do love her so very much. But o beleive there's more going on here not just for her, but for you as well. You are not to blame for her misdeeds and she isn't to blame for your misdeeds either. It's not even about if this was wrong or right but examining why you pursued this relationship - and exploring and addressing this will likely in help you heal and to make the decisions you need to make about this relationship and find the connection and affection you truly deserve to have.

It's an all round difficult situation and my heart really goes out to you.
 
The relationship was built on deceit from the start. It's a common misconception that when we have "stolen" a partner away from another that we are the one who will cause them to change, that we are special enough that they won't cheat on us like they cheated on their ex to be with us.

This never turns out well as cheaters are always cheaters. No matter how awesome you are, you're not powerful enough to "fix" a cheater.

This woman is in a helpless state IMHO. She jumps from man to man in an attempt to find someone who fixes her problems and makes the bad stuff go away. She's looking for a rescuer and once reality sets in, and the perfection of a new relationship starts to fade, she finds another. This is not living in reality. This is living in a fantasy world.

You can't fix her. If she has BPD then she must have had very negative childhood experiences as personality disorders start in childhood. Adult trauma alone doesn't typically cause a personality disorder as the personality is formed in childhood.

It's common for supporters to believe that the "real" person is the part who doesn't show these negative traits and that when negative symptoms show up, they're all blamed on PTSD with no responsibility placed on the sufferer for their actions. All parts need to be accepted, good and bad. This woman isn't prepared to be in a relationship.

It's also quite concerning that she was married and looked you up online. How do you know her ex is REALLY a jerk? I think most people would get nasty with a partner who is looking up people online and cheating. Point being, don't automatically believe the negative view painted of the ex. I think it's probably another manipulation tactic of her that you've fallen for.
 
I have PTSD & BPD. Even if BPD answers why shes up & down on emotions and push people away she is still responsible for her behaviors.

Cheaters arent always cheaters but I agree with needing to look into yourself to find out why you went for an unavilable woman to begin with.

Is she in therapy?
 
I don't think this woman's behavior is a result of PTSD. Doesn't sound like PTSD at all. Sounds like she is just using men left and right, and I would question how much of her story is actually true. As others pointed out, your relationship with her was based on deceit from the very beginning. That's a red flag. You seem to put a lot of emphasis on the sweet, loving things she said to you, but in all honesty, words mean absolutely nothing. If you go through all the posts by supporters here in similar situations as you, that is always the main argument: "But he/she SAID this. Why would he/she SAY that if they didn't love me and want a longterm relationship?" The answer is simple -- because they're engaging in fantasy, not reality. Maybe she wanted some sort of fairytale and for a short while saw you as the way to get it, but her behavior towards you and other people in her life makes it pretty clear she's not capable of a healthy relationship. She does sound like she has serious emotional issues and needs help, but I really don't think PTSD has anything to do with the way she's behaving. Everything she's doing just sounds so unbelievably dodgy. Cheating on her husband when she has an infant ... looking someone up on Facebook after more than a decade has passed and asking to meet, and then saying she wants to move home to be with you that same night? Red flags, red flags all over.
 
Thanks for the responses, folks. Honestly, it's nothing that I haven't thought of before. I do realize, despite my feelings and whether or not her feelings for me are/were legitimate, I don't need to ride a roller coaster and be in a relationship with someone who has so many issues. Just to clarify, I did consider whether or not her husband was as bad as she said, and I can say with certainty he isn't a good guy., so I didn't have to rely on her story. I also agree that she has used her PTSD to justify her behaviors, but the more I became educated on it, the more I've realized that while PTSD can explain away certain things, it doesn't explain the manipulation. The thing that hurt me the most was she tried telling me at the end that I was taking it too hard and that we were just dating and what she did was what dating was. It was like all the previous things had never happened. Once I kept calling her out on her BS, she got angrier. The hurt is knowing that either the person I cared for all those years is gone or never existed. I cut her a lot of slack because our history when we were young was good and the reconnection in the beginning brought all that back. I just can no longer justify the treatment I'm receiving.
 
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