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I'll make a note to inform the tens of millions service members from the US alone, they're shit partners because they're out to sea, or deployed in an operational zone with little to no contact, for 6+ months a year.

Ditto all the humanitarian, aid workers, archeologists, oil riggers, commercial fishing, puddle jumpers, smoke eaters, journalists, photographers, scientists, and others who are out of contact for weeks and months at a time because there is no mail much less a phone back of beyond & miles out to sea that they're shit partners, also.

Of course, all that completely bypasses the hundreds of millions of people who actually live back of beyond, and don't just work there. Clearly, to you? Shit partners, all of them.

Or maaaaaaaaaybe what you need in a partner isn't what everyone on the whole damn planet needs in a partner? Maybe if you need constant contact you shouldn't be partnering up with someone who isn't going to be attached to your hip 24/7?

This argument is not a very good one. My husband and I frequently have had to spend months (and once a year) apart due to our jobs. It is soooo much different than someone just blowing you off because of PTSD. We know when we will be seeing each other again, usually. There's also an understanding and a lot of trust involved there. If he ever just stopped contact with me because he was just having a bad day or couldn't deal with things, then I'm sure we'd have to have a serious discussion about our relationship. PTSD is no excuse for not acting like a decent human being.
 
It is soooo much different than someone just blowing you off because of PTSD

Right? After all a job is a choice, and you can quit a job. It's a lot harder to quit your brain. Well. Suck starting a 9mm would do it.

PTSD is no excuse for not acting like a decent human being.

An upside to being a monster. :D Not having to worry about this decent human being bullshit. Seriously, though, if your sufferer never isolates, and you're fine with the rest of their symptoms / they are still a "decent human being"? Maybe other people view their isolating sufferers as "decent human beings" also.
 
I'll make a note to inform the tens of millions service members from the US alone, they're shit partners because they're out to sea, or deployed in an operational zone with little to no contact, for 6+ months a year.

Ditto all the humanitarian, aid workers, archeologists, oil riggers, commercial fishing, puddle jumpers, smoke eaters, journalists, photographers, scientists, and others who are out of contact for weeks and months at a time because there is no mail much less a phone back of beyond & miles out to sea that they're shit partners, also.

Of course, all that completely bypasses the hundreds of millions of people who actually live back of beyond, and don't just work there. Clearly, to you? Shit partners, all of them.

Or maaaaaaaaaybe what you need in a partner isn't what everyone on the whole damn planet needs in a partner? Maybe if you need constant contact you shouldn't be partnering up with someone who isn't going to be attached to your hip 24/7?

This is my first time posting on this thread. My ex husband is former military and I did the military spouse thing for the 8 years he was in. When he was underway or unavailable for contact...I knew that. I knew when he left, I knew when he was supposed to be back. Sure, things sometimes changed and he wouldn't be back in port when they thought....but I was told this was happening. When he had land duty, he more or less told me he didn't want to be contacted at work unless it was an emergency like the house was on fire or I was in the hospital. He communicated when he could and when he couldn't communicate....and I respected those boundaries.

The PTSD sufferer isolation is different. Right now...it's been 11 days since I've heard anything from mine. I texted him a quick "hey thinking of you and I miss you." I got an IMU back and then radio silence. None of my imessages have been listed as delivered since then. So, I'm trying to roll with that the best I can. What makes this different is I don't know what or where he is...nothing has been communicated. He could be traveling out of the country for work...I knew that was actually a possibility in the future. He also could have blocked me on his phone. **shrug** It's not that I can't deal with leaving someone alone for periods of time when they ask for it. I think it's the lack of communication of what he needs from me. If I knew what he needed in regards to space...I would gladly give it. This is like the 4th time in 6 months he has done this...two weeks gone and he's usually back. Sometimes during these comm black outs my imessages don't get delivered...whatever. I'm pretty good at keeping myself busy during them...probably because of being a former military spouse. But it's that thought in the back of my head...is he gone for good is tough. And no...he's not in a job now that he is in danger.

Do I think he's a horrible person because of the comm black outs...absolutely not. I have to keep reminding myself that he has a mental disorder and this isn't "ghosting" like in the regular world.
 
Being a soldier deployed in a Combat zone isn't safe. Being a firefighter in a forest isn't safe. Hell, taking a weekend backcountry skiing trip isn't safe.

Why is a sufferer isolating a terrible thing by comparison?
Because it's isn't glamorous or noble?

If you don't trust your partner to do whatever is necessary to do what they need to do, then come home to you safe. Then you absolutely should not be in a relationship with that person.

I don't really have to deal with isolating in my relationship. But this ^ was helpful for me to read regardless. Thanks for the thought.
 
Being told that I am somehow not worthy of ever being in a relationship until I am 100% cured, kinda stings.
Especially considering my being this way wasn't my choice. But being dealt a shitty hand in life is just something I've had to learn to live with. What's one more thing?

That sounds exactly what my soon to be ex husband has said - and it's not at all what those of us who love sufferers think or believe. "I'll have to take the blame for our marriage ending because I've been wrong, stupid, and to blame my entire life. What's one more thing?"

It's a matter of choice. If someone with PTSD CHOOSES to be in a relationship, ESPECIALLY in a committed, long-term, live-in relationship, like marriage, they need to realize that there are certain things that go along with that relationship, however those things are defined by all the people involved.

If the possibility of isolation is something that is acknowledged before it happens, and there is some information on what to expect, it's a lot easier to take. And if you can't be present enough to even do that? Then, maybe, you DO need to rethink if you are capable of being in a relationship. And yes, that goes for supporters too.

Do I think my sufferer, even now, after abandoning me, is a decent human being, deserving of love? Of course. I still love him. Do I think he should be in a relationship if he can't handle even the basic the communication and compromise a live-in relationship requires? Nope. Would I consider staying in this relationship if he changed his mind and said he doesn't want to end things? I'm not sure. He'd have to get help, try to heal, and stop using his illness as an excuse for treating me badly. Because seriously, vilification, name calling, rage outbursts - those are all bad behaviors. It doesn't mean he's a bad human being. It only becomes questionable when he refuses to do anything to address the bad behaviors, because it's "part of his illness."
 
Do I think my sufferer, even now, after abandoning me, is a decent human being, deserving of love? Of course. I still love him. Do I think he should be in a relationship if he can't handle even the basic the communication and compromise a live-in relationship requires? Nope. Would I consider staying in this relationship if he changed his mind and said he doesn't want to end things? I'm not sure. He'd have to get help, try to heal, and stop using his illness as an excuse for treating me badly. Because seriously, vilification, name calling, rage outbursts - those are all bad behaviors. It doesn't mean he's a bad human being. It only becomes questionable when he refuses to do anything to address the bad behaviors, because it's "part of his illness."

That's what I found too. The more I've thought about it, the more I believe my ex was in no ways ready for a relationship. She deserves love, she deserves to be treated like a decent, human being, but she doesn't deserve me with how she acted. Not so much the isolation, but the way she made the relationship about her - not doing what I wanted to do, villifing me when I said the wrong thing, cancelling plans last minute, not meeting my needs, focusing on me soothing her rather than relationship things, insulting me when I had my own plans so I couldn't be there for her. I'll grant that PTSD is awful, but it can't be used as an excuse for EVERYTHING. People have to take responsibility for their own actions.
 
Yes, supporters have a right to vent. They do need to expect that we are going to defend ourselves when we are called SHITTY.

Is a paraplegic being a shitty person for needing their partner to help them with things instead of getting up and walking? Should they wait until they can walk before they choose to enter a relationship because relationships demand things that require walking? If they don't walk are they being a shitty partner?

It's the same time. Our minds often will not allow us to pick up the phone we freeze in shear panic. We fear falling completely apart if we do. There are a lot of things people here complain about that are not symptoms of PTSD but choices. The things that are PTSD symptoms are not a choice anymore than a waking is a choice for someone who is paralyzed or has no legs.

People also think "getting help" will magically stop someone from isolating. It might make it worse at first. Sometimes, what therapy teaches us in regards to managing our symptoms is exactly the opposite of how supporters want us to behave.

Believe it or not, therapists to tell us to get up and walk away from conversations that are stressing us out while we can still manage our emotions. It isn't always an excuse. I may be an adult, but I will put myself in time out. as a supporter it is your job not to intrude on that. If your supporter tried to walk out before they exploded and said hurtful things and you followed them, you can't really get mad at them for trying to manage the symptoms.

If your sufferer isn't trying to remove themselves from stressful situation before the symptoms become unmanageable, as a supporter it would be helpful if you noticed and walked out as well as asking them to get up and walk out if they are having trouble managing their symptoms. This is healthy but I see so many people here complain that it is being used as an excuse to avoided tough conversations.

Little time outs are awesome
Extended time out may suck, but they are life savers.
 
They do need to expect that we are going to defend ourselves when we are called SHITTY.

Who called anybody here shitty? The quote you're bent out of shape here is this :

I'm sorry, but if somebody f*cks off for weeks with no communication to their partner, they're a shit partner.

Is this saying a sufferer cannot isolate if they need to? No

Is this saying we need constant contact? No

Is this saying that sufferers are shitty people who don't deserve to be loved? No

It's saying that if you isolate for long periods of time and do not communicate your need to do so, either as a general warning to your partner in the beginning of a relationship, or a heads up during, then that makes you a bad partner. Is it fair to send a loved one into a panic? To you it may make all the sense in world. To a supporter who isn't used to it, it is a mind f*ck.

All the hurt can be solved with communication. If you're capable of a relationship, then you need to be a part of it and be responsible for how you treat your partner.
 
Is a paraplegic being a shitty person for needing their partner to help them with things instead of getting up and walking? Should they wait until they can walk before they choose to enter a relationship because relationships demand things that require walking? If they don't walk are they being a shitty partner?
(this is Urapet and...I forget the other anonymous names right now heh)

Nope, not at all. And someone going into a relationship with a paraplegic will hopefully have had a conversation of the limitations and abilities of their partner, because the "obvious" is right there. The details of what they can and can't do, and what they need or want their partner to do, are up to them to negotiate. What one paraplegic can do, and doesn't need or want help with, another may need and want assistance. They are only being a shitty partner if they don't communicate their needs, and expect their partner to just figure it out on their own, while vilifying the partner for not getting it right. It is still possible to use a disability as an excuse to abuse someone else.

In fact, a better analogy would be a paraplegic who (and I apologize for where this is going, but I didn't start the analogy) knows they can't control their bladder, and refuses to take any steps (like a catheter) to deal with it, while expecting their partner to clean up after them, clean them up, and constantly take care of it. And, while they may even have communicated this to their partner, that this is their expectation, I would imagine it's still shocking to encounter the first time, and becomes increasingly difficult to live with as it continues to happen, especially when there are ways to work with it. It may be shame leading them to not want to deal with it, but it CAN be dealt with. To continue the analogy, if I KNOW my partner has a catheter, and is doing all they can to work with their hygiene and elimination, but has the occasional issue with it, I can DEAL with that, and happily.

That's the problem with an invisible illness - we don't KNOW what we are getting into unless the person TELLS us. And part of the problem with PTSD is, everyone who lives with it is different in their symptoms, but with common traits and issues. One of those commonalities seems to be the shame behind it - so the people who WANT to be supportive don't know HOW to be supportive because the sufferer WON'T talk about it.

Using my own sufferer as an example - all he told me was "if I tell you to leave me alone, leave me alone." That's it. That's all I got. He didn't tell me he had PTSD (and why I stuck around while he was being awful, without knowing the root of it, is my own issue I'm working on), didn't tell me I needed to walk on eggshells, or what to do when he was screaming at me, or how to handle his vilification. I didn't know I needed to research PTSD to figure out what was going on because I didn't know that was the problem. I was lucky (?) he wasn't one to need to *really* isolate, until now. And I have to admit, he's doing really well, considering he can't just run away like he wants to. And you know what? Yes, some of the behaviors that seem to come with PTSD are SHITTY. The vilification, the raging, the name calling, all shitty to do to someone else. Does that make a sufferer a shitty person? No. It makes the sufferer someone who has a shitty illness. And yes, it can make them a shitty partner because it's those very behaviors that would, in a relationship with no PTSD, abuse.

And now, that the PTSD is out in the open, and I know and HE knows WHY he vilifies, and rages, because he is already in a committed relationship, there is a certain responsibility to figure out his shit and get help, or walk away. He's choosing to walk away. Just because it's a symptom that, literally, can't be controlled in the moment, doesn't make it ok to do nothing about the symptom. And it's definitely not fair to me to have kept his PTSD a secret, committed to me, for better or worse, in sickness and in health, and then when it gets too hard, to destroy my life, too. (And I can already hear the "It's not fair we have PTSD! Life isn't fair! It sucks so much worse for us!" And you're right. It's not fair. It doesn't make it ok to hurt someone else because you're hurting)

There is help to be had. Those of us who research PTSD KNOW it will get worse before it gets better, and we still ask our partners to get that help, because THEY deserve to not just survive, but to thrive. And meanwhile, we recognize that isolation may need to happen, and all we ask is a reply to let us know they're coming back to us. And so we come to forums like this to make sense of it because our sufferers can't make sense of it, themselves.

PTSD sucks a million times worse for the person who has it, we know that. It's what you DO with your illness that makes all the difference. I, too, live with mental illness. And you know what? My partner, with PTSD, expected me to fix myself. It's one of the things he actually holds against me - that I stayed depressed for too long when I could have gotten help. Because I wasn't strong enough for him to be able to lean on, and wasn't strong enough to always stand on my own so I didn't need to lean on him, ever. And, to a certain extent, he was right. I didn't treat him badly, I just wasn't always the strong person he needed me to be, and that was on me. Just like it's on him, not for having symptoms of PTSD that hurt me directly because I KNOW he can't help that, but by refusing to do anything about them while still trying to maintain a relationship with me. At some point, it becomes an excuse.

I don't expect my sufferer to do anything he incapable of, especially in a PTSD spiral. But, when he is NOT in an episode, he also needs to admit his limitations, figure out what to do with new ones that arise, and realize that if HE chooses to have someone around in a relationship, there needs to be communication and respect. And if I, as a supporter, can't handle isolation, then yes, I need to deal with that, and COMMUNICATE what will happen if and when isolation occurs.

If a sufferer can't deal with what they've committed to, by being in a relationship, whatever that commitment may be, they aren't a shitty person. But it is possible their behavior is bad, and they might not be a good partner, especially if they can't even communicate it. At some point, we all have to own up to our behavior, regardless of the reason behind it.
 
It's saying that if you isolate for long periods of time and do not communicate your need to do so, either as a general warning to your partner in the beginning of a relationship, or a heads up during, then that makes you a bad partner.
So what is a suffer to do when they have zero warning. We don't have a magic 8 ball any more than you do. Isolation is not something that people with PTSD always expect and it can catch them off guard just like it catches the supporters off guard.

I do know that I isolate and I do warn people, but 10 years ago, I wouldn't have known to warn people. However, contact during an isolate period is more often than not physically impossible. So, yes, it hurts when people say we are shit partners for something completely out of our control.
 
So in that aspect, is it any better than lashing out behaviors? Both hurt no matter what causes them. Lashing out is no less of a response to stress than isolation is. Everybody seems to think that sufferers can work on lashing out, that it's not acceptable to do to a partner. So why not isolation?
 
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