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Struggling With My Marriage

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EverOnly358

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My marriage is a mess. I've been "on a break" from my husband for almost two weeks. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. He never wants me to talk about my traumas; he says he doesn't like to see me upset. We've been together for 16 years, and I've never felt like he cares about how awful my childhood was. I try to bring it up, he changes the subject. He's always blaming me for being so easily upset and for being inconsolable. I know I'm impossible to live with, and I apologize a lot. I try to do things to make up for it, to make my family happy, but it's hard when I cycle between being energetic and racing from one thing to the next to being depressed and isolated in my bedroom (I have bipolar disorder as well). He tells me he loves me so much, but I don't feel that love at all. At this point, I would happily get a divorce from him, but I don't feel like I'm a fully functioning human being, seeing as I spend half of each month in a dark room with the door locked because I'm so depressed and just can't stand being triggered again. I just want him to be nice to me once, or sympathetic or even just sit with me without telling me how he has all these more important things he has to do rather than be with me. He's always telling me that he is nice... he does dishes or laundry or takes the kids here or there. And those things are nice, and I do appreciate them, and I am sorry there are so many days when I just can't get out of bed and he has to pitch in. I feel terrible and lazy and worthless and unlovable. But because he does dishes or whatever, does that mean he can't ever sit with me, let me talk or try to cheer me up? I desperately need an emotional connection with him, and he's like a robot. When I beg him to show some emotion, anything, he says he can yell and scream, too, but he doesn't, because he knows that it scares me. Is that all that's possible? Screaming at me or showing no emotion or caring at all?

And he's constantly triggering me. He knows that I can't stand having men standing over me. Whenever he comes in a room, he stands over me. It's so stupid, because there are a million places to sit down in every room of the house. But he has to stand there and stare directly at me (another trigger) and I just can't cope with it. I'm trying to get better about my triggers, but it's almost impossible when I'm being triggered again and again and again. Is it so much to ask that he not loom over me because it scares me? Am I really asking too much? Is that such a hard thing to remember? Because every time he does it again, I tell him how much it hurts me, and he acts all surprised, and then promises to do better, then the very next time, there he is, doing it again. When he just stares at me, and I tell him how much it bothers me, he says he's just acting interested in what I'm saying.

And finally, I've gone to doctors on and off for the last 14 years. I've never found a good fit with a therapist. I've had so many really, really horrible reactions to medication. I'm terrified of doctors. After years of avoiding dentists, too, I had one dentist that gave me lots and lots of valium, but that didn't work. I finally had to get a dentist that was willing to knock me out with anesthesia. I went in to that dentist, and they gave me laughing gas, I guess (the whole visit is a weird blur for me because I was so terrified) for like 30 minutes, while trying to get the needle in my arm. Apparently, I was so stressed out and tense, it wouldn't work. The anesthesiologist was trying to joke around with me to calm me down, and said something like "you look way too young to have an adult daughter" and I sort of laughed and relaxed just enough they could knock me out. When I woke up, before I was even fully awake, I pushed everyone out of my way and staggered to the door and left. Anyways... that's just one of my experiences with doctors/dentists. After that dentist appointment I spent 6 weeks unable to get out of bed.

I explain all this because my husband really, really doesn't want me to get another therapist or take more medication. It really has just been a string of disasters every time I've tried. I try to do every single thing I can do to help myself (meditation, yoga, journaling, exercise, recognizing my triggers and trying to change my reactions, etc. etc.) but I really feel like I'm not doing everything unless I have a therapist. So, I tell my husband, and he says he will setup appointments for me... but then it never happens. I know I should try to setup more appointments myself, but it's just so stressful for me, that I end up crashing and unable to do anything at all. I've become so isolated, there's no one except my husband to help me, and he's very passive aggressive about it. Oh, he says he'll help and he says he'll call therapists and make appointments with doctors and everything, and stupidly I believe him every time, but then months go by and nothing happens. So, I ask for the insurance information and doctor phone numbers and then he says he's going to give it to me, oh, but he needs to get a new insurance card, or he lost the phone numbers or whatever. It's like this with other things, too. Everyday is a fight for me, just to get up and struggle through the day (whether I'm trying to slow myself down, or force myself to move forward even though I just want to stay in bed), and I just want some help, and I'm so tried of fighting with him about it, I'm so sick of begging for his help. And don't get me wrong, I am terrified about going to another therapist, but I do want to get better, so I feel like it's necessary. But I'm just so mired in all his BS, that I never get any support or help from him, and so actually getting to a therapist is erratic at best.

Anyways... this is much too long. I just don't know what to do. As much as I want to be divorced, I just don't see how that's going to work. But at the same time, I just can't keep repeating this destructive nightmare I'm living in.
 
It sounds like you're using him and he resents it. He loves you, but you can't feel loved. You never once mention loving him. Do you pay any attention to him, his problems, his daily struggles? Are you affectionate toward him. If he left, and you didn't need him, would you notice he was gone?

No therapist is going to cure you, or even teach you how to manage symptoms. NONE of them CAN. You have to do that for yourself. You have to want it bad enough that you unlock your mental blocks and fears so you can examine them and change your behavior. YOU need to be the one who finds your own therapist. YOU need to make your own appointments. This is YOUR life. No one else can live it for you, without resentment.

Start thinking about how you affect your husband's life. What difference do you make in his life? How do you feel about him? Do you care about him? Do you want to see him happy? Start showing concern for him and you will start to feel the concern he shows to you. If you don't ever try to be the sympathetic ear, then you will never figure out what to do to express that to others. If you don't have the experience of trying to show something that you feel, then you will never feel the sincerity behind those actions when others show you compassion, love, caring, concern, etc... with a look, a touch, a word.

Do you want a husband who commiserates with you over your awful childhood, or do you want a partner who moves forward with you and creates a better life now? Is he holding out on you? Is he really keeping you from therapy?
 
I am sad that you have so much drama. Mabe a trial separation would help you to sort things out better in your head. I was threatened by my husband when he voiced an opinion that conflicted with mine, but later on I realized he really loved me and that was his way of addressing issues that I was not dealing with.

I did in fact leave my husband for three months, and we got back together and got into marriage counseling which changed our lives for the better. I wish you the best. My heart goes out to you.
 
I honestly don't know if I love him anymore. I spend all my time worrying about his feelings, being so careful not to hurt his feelings, being so sensitive to the things that bother him. I thank him all the time. I feel guilty all the time for having PTSD and being bipolar. I truly appreciate that it bites that he works AND he has to help around the house. I wish I could do everything around the house so he doesn't have to. I do get really upset at times when depressed and say mean things I don't mean. We've talked about this a lot and I've apologized again and again. I think he understands I don't mean things I've said in the past. Now I just isolate myself from him when I'm upset so that I can't say anything I don't mean to him, but it's terrible to feel so alone.

I am working hard to get better. Maybe it doesn't seem like it to you, but I'm trying really hard. I have been in and out of therapy for 14 years. I have tried so hard to make it work. I know I'm damaged. I spent all my childhood from age 2 to age 20 being beaten all the time. I lived in this horrible, filthy house. Days went by when there's wasn't food to eat. My father didn't want me and told me he wished I was dead... and sometimes he tried to make it happen (by wrapping his hands around my neck and choking me when I cried out for somebody to help me). I didn't want any of that. But it's like no one cares, like I haven't suffered enough yet.

My husband tells me all the time how much he loves me. How nice I am to everyone. How I'm always thinking and worrying about everyone else. I try so hard to be a good person. I hate it when I fail, when all my baggage takes over. I know that it's wrong to let my baggage affect my life and that makes me a bad person. I feel like I'm such a mess and so worthless, I don't see how I can make anyone happy. I think it would be best for him if he wasn't with me, he would be happier. I do want him to be happy. I am sympathetic to him. I've spent the last 16 years saying that emotional things bother him and that he doesn't like conflict and making all these excuses for why I have to be okay with it. But I'm just tired. I want my needs to matter, too. I want some sympathy. I want him to care enough to listen to me instead of him telling me he doesn't want to hear it. It would be one thing if I talked about my past with him over and over and over... but I haven't. I've talked more about my past in this thread than I have with him in the 20 years I've known him.

I spent years believing that if I was just a good person, and did everything right and worked hard and was kind to everyone, that I could just put the past behind me. I worked so hard at it... and was very successful for a number of years. I had lots of friends, a series of great jobs, I was successful in so many ways. We got married and were happy for awhile. But then more terrible stress hit us, and I just crashed. I couldn't pretend anymore. And now the pain just comes up again and again. I would like nothing more than to put the past behind me, but I feel like that's just not going to work. I'm trying to accept my past and work through it and get to a place where it's not so painful all the time. I'm working through my traumas one by one. But it's a process for me, I can't just do it and be done overnight.

I know I should do everything related to the doctor's appointments myself, you're right. It's just so hard. But I guess I'm wrong to ask for help. I guess I shouldn't take him at his word when he says he'll help. I can work on this.

It is true that he doesn't want me to see another therapist or take more medications. I haven't found a good fit. That's got to be my fault, I'm sure. It doesn't help that I can't walk into doctors' offices without being terrified. But my husband just doesn't want to see me have more terrible side effects or start having more panic attacks because of bad advice from a therapist. That doesn't mean I shouldn't try again, and I think we both know that. We just both dread it.

I thought I could come to this website for a little help or support, but I guess I was wrong about that. I guess I really don't deserve anything but suffering. It really is all my fault.
 
My husband tells me all the time how much he loves me. How nice I am to everyone. How I'm always thinking and worrying about everyone else. I try so hard to be a good person. I hate it when I fail, when all my baggage takes over.

I am reading you blaming yourself a ton here, but the above line stood out to me a lot. Because I relate..

Part of your baggage, maybe is that you try so hard to be a good person, and always thinking and worrying about everyone else?
You fail, because no one can be that perfectly good person who only takes care of other people. I know when I try to do that, I crash and burn, which is how it sounds like you end up half the month in a dark room. You tap yourself out.

But when you say "fail", isn't it that you mean, you experience negative fallout from failing to maintain an unhealthy pattern of neglecting yourself for other people?

So the healing thing, if this resonates with you, is to step back and work on trying less hard to be a good person all the time.
It's really brave to take space and I think your instinct to do so is probably correct.

I guess it just struck me. This happens to me, I truck along, in some zone of "I'm a great person, doing all this stuff for everyone!" Overextending myself feels great!" and then boom, I make a mistake, drop a ball, say the wrong thing, and I'm back down in the pit. I can focus on how I failed but miss the fact that the "I'm a great person, doing all this stuff for everyone! Yay overextending!" is the screwing up part. The failure to maintain it is a natural outcome of this modus operandi.

Does this make sense?

There is a lot of support on this site. It can be hard when someone's response isn't what you want to hear, or doesn't feel supportive, or triggers you in ways they didn't intend. I think people here mean well.
 
Hi all,

I just had the most bizarre conversation with my husband (via Skype). Our quasi-separation (since August 17th) has been working out kinda well, weirdly enough (he leaves at 6:00am, works, does whatever, and comes home when I give him the all-clear, usually around 8:00pm, when I'm settling down, watching TV, getting ready for bed (in my room (we have separate rooms)) so that we don't actually see each other... and this weird separation is all necessitated by large financial difficulties that we won't be out from under for another year). The quasi-separation has given me the chance to become more independent and gain confidence. It's allowed me to reach out to other people, besides my husband. It's given me a break from being triggered by my husband all the time. It's given me a chance to make my own mistakes and learn from them. (Lemme take a break to scratch at one of those 100 mosquito bites. ;D)

Recently, I had a falling out with a good friend who was one of the people I reached out to after my separation from my husband. And I feel like I finally see some of my destructive patterns and I can see ways to do better. I'm in a really good place right now but at the same time, truly sad about all the things I did that made my friend so angry with me. I can't... I don't even have the words yet, to even apologize to this friend. I don't even think I've come to realize or accept all the stupid things I've done yet.

Anyways... I guess, seeing again my destruction patterns (because of PTSD) played out again with my good friend... I can see so many ways I screwed up things with my husband, because truly, he is my good (best?) friend, and has been for years, despite all the tough times we've gone through.

So... I felt the need to just get all the truth out there with my husband. We had danced around that line enough. Separation/get back together/divorce what? That line. And as with most communications with my husband, Skype works best... we just tend not to communicate well one on one. I'll yell and scream, he'll shut down and robot. Anyways... I finally told him that I really wanted to get independent, that being a stay at home Mom for all these years (14+ years) had caused me to let go of my independence (my fault). And that I wanted to move forward on important things to get independent, including getting healthy (resolving some past traumas, dealing with my CPTSD) and getting a good job.

And he said that he could understand that, and that he never wanted me to be so dependent on him, but that it was understandable given all the stress/time taken up with our family, especially our daughter who has special needs. And he said he was happy to support me getting healthy and independent.

So... I asked him, "But don't you feel I'm using you to get independent, and then I'll just leave you, divorce you? And then how will you feel?"

And he said it was fine to use him to get independent and healthy. That he only wanted me to be happy and healthy, that that was also what he's always wanted.

So... I asked him, "But I don't want to give you false hope. I'm not going to change my mind. I feel like I've outgrown this marriage. Like I've gotten to the last page of this book, and it's time to close it, and time to start another book. I don't know much about that new book, except that in it, I live in a clean/safe/nice house, and I have fun with our kids, and I have a good job, and maybe some friends to hang out with. But, I want to get to a point where I can close the first book completely and move onto the second."

And he said... "That's fine."

Huh?

What?

Did I hear correctly?

It was bizarre, I tell you. Upon questioning him, the most I could get was that he was happy that I'm in a better place right now (he's very thankful I found this forum and am taken good steps to get healthy), happy to help me get independent (because he never wanted me dependent on him in the first place), happy to support me getting healthier, and he understood that my secondary goal after getting healthier and independent was divorce. He said... he still held out hope that when I became healthy and independent, I would still choose him. I told him I wasn't going to do that. That I was 100% sure about wanting a divorce. He insisted... and the only thing I could do was... respect his right to hope that I change my mind, even though I'm certain I won't. And I told him... "I don't want to give you false hope." I really don't want to lead him on. And he agreed that I had been clear, and wasn't giving him false hope.

Huh?

Truly. This is not a made up story.

We agreed to be there for our children no matter what. To be civil and happy and do what's best for them (but that's always been easy for us, so it was sorta a no-brainer... that's also been the case since August 17th, no problems with doing lots of kid hand-offs for school, library, events, etc.).

I asked him if he would always be my good (best?) friend, because I thought he was really great guy in many ways and a good man, it's just that I didn't want to be married to him anymore. And he said he would.

Really, this happened.

So... that's where I am now. I had a therapy session today. Have another doctors appointment on Monday. I have a good (best?) friend in my husband. I have resolution on my marriage (as weird and bizarre as it all seems). Tomorrow I'm going to get my ID updated (another step towards independence). I'm gonna be making some calls to former colleagues about getting back into the workforce. I have to work on my resume! And my personal history for therapy! And stay on top of the laundry and dishes myself! And leave now, without too much worrying about putting this out there (yikes, what are people going to say???), and without too much proofreading, to go hang out with my kids and the pets, make dinner and talk about our day. I'll be saving some dinner for my husband, for him to reheat when he gets home later tonight (after I've gone to bed). Weird... but I believe him. I can only take him at face value. I have to respect what he's said, and confirmed, repeatedly. So, here we are. Can't wait to get around to the time when I can start that new book...

D
 
God, I kinda came off as a total bitch. I really do care about my husband! I've devoted my entire last 14 years to catering to the needs of my husband and taking care of my kids. I really do think he's a good man. He really is one of my best friends, ever. Jeez... please, tell me I'm horrible here, for feeling happy, for a minute, that I get to have what I want without excessive drama. Go ahead. Or really, you don't have to, I'm feeling sort of horrible already. And confused. I just still can't believe it. If I hadn't reread the Skype like again and again, I wouldn't believe it.
 
((((D123)))) It's okay. You're okay. You made a decision, that's where the relief comes in. You're not horrible for feeling happy about it, you're happily relieved to have come to a resolution. Don't get too hung up on what other people think. I know that's hard to do, much easier to say. You are the only you there is in this world and no one has a better answer for your life than you have.
 
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