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Suicide In Teens...is Society Too Tough Or Not Tough Enough?

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It is sad...so sad. I have thought about leaving this particular group for awhile. I'm trying to remember if the lady was a visitor or member of the committee. The group is an outreach committee, so we feed the homeless in the inner city, take up food for families, collect items for homeless teens, assist with jobs for older teens at an orphanage, and provide items for mothers to be who have no help. Most of the members are financial secure and volunteer monetarily if gaps need filled. I can not. I have talent and time to offer. Why do I feel like I let the young lady who died down by not saying anything to the old lady? I just couldn't feel or think to respond.
 
Why do I feel like I let the young lady who died down by not saying anything to the old lady? I just couldn't feel or think to respond.

I know what you mean. I probably would have been the same. Too stunned to say anything. Wouldn't have sunk in for me untill after I'd have left. The shock would have worn off about halfway home, then I would be stomping angry around my house.

Who would expect someone to say that? So flippantly, in a church meeting, no less?
 
I would be caught off guard hearing what the lady said. I would be stunned into silence. I think that this generation of kids are so totally unprepared for real life as an adult in the world today.

I pretty much agree with agree with every post here. I just feel so sad that this is on the rise.
 
Dear @Neverthesame , I just wanted to thank you for your 1st post (and everyone's). It has helped me uderstand something today.

For all intents and purposes tbat should have been me, but I was 'unsuccessful' (twice). I did it solely after the ptsd started and when everything I tried to cope didn't work. I was glad only that it wasn't successful much later because my mom was alive back then. That's all she would have needed. :(

That was the first time I thought of SI. In fact I thought, so this is why people do.

But for many years I've not realized, until your post today, that I still don't know what I could do if I was back there again. There were no options. I've always blamed myself not understanding not being able to come up with something different then, isn't because I'm terrible or should be dead (now). It doesn't, or didn't, make me a 'bad' person (teen), just a desperate one.

I have pushed away (now as an adult) or mistrusted, the only person who has said it's better not to (re: suicide).

Carry on helping, to all. One day they will understand. The girl is at peace.

Thank you for understanding and forgiving what is rarely understood. . :hug:
 
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The old lady said it was probably because society had been too easy on her and she didn't know how to handle disappointment.
I would like to sit that woman down and talk with her. Really talk with her.
I wish I could have figured out my thoughts and feelings while around the lady, but I don't think it would have made a difference.
I think you could have, and still could, if you wanted to.
Kids are under a lot of pressure, and need understanding.
This has been true for thousands of years, I'd wager. Growing up is hard. And even in our over-protected society, where there's a lot of apparent concern placed on equality, awarding everyone, etc - you have to look at the rest of the society as well, where information technology has exploded, kids have to navigate infinitely more complex systems, and don't forget, this is the generation that has been alive during an almost-perpetual wartime. No, that doesn't affect them in terms of rationing (in the US at least), the way it might have for the older woman you were speaking to, depending on her age.

But it is flat-out hard to make it to the age of 25 - neurologically, hormone-wise. Add in managing modern stimuli, really violent times...it's not easier now, it's harder.

Even if you don't want to make that argument - you can ask the woman to remember back, to when she was in the 8th grade. Does she remember what the most intense crisis was for her at the time? Most people do. And what I've discovered is, they either suddenly understand how the world can look like an impossible place to be - in other words, they thought they needed to die for some reason - or, they will recall that nothing was that bad. And then, you can tell them they are very lucky to not have been living with a mental illness. The ages of 13-16 are when many mood disorders and other mental health problems present themselves. No-one talks to kids about that. They certainly didn't when she was a girl, and they only do a marginally better job of it today.

You can tell her how horribly the body fights to stay alive. There is no such thing as a casual, intentional suicide attempt. To pull that trigger, to make that cut, to tie that knot, to jump off the bridge - these are very, very painful, difficult, terrifying things to do. The 8th grader must have been in a profound amount of pain, and profoundly alone, if she believed that was the only option available to her.

Because entitlement doesn't breed silence. Entitlement breeds revenge. When a child has been coddled, and they are faced with extreme adversity - they complain. They don't melt into themselves, they complain. I agree that there are ways in which our society has become afraid of recognizing excellence, at the expense of those who are just in the middle, or below. It's important to let children experience disappointment - so they can learn how to cope with it and survive it.

But I promise: it's not the kids who have been overly protected that end up trying to end their own lives when things go wrong. They get really loud, they protest, they take their parents to court, they demand new school rules - and sometimes, I cheer them on, because sometimes, what they are fighting for is pretty right on. Sometimes, they are just looking for some kind of unnecessary protection, and that gets frustrating.

That 8th grader didn't end her life because she had it too easy and hit her first stumbling block. No matter what the details are - she ended her life because she believed she had no other choices. She had no-one to talk to, and no-where to go, and no kind of help. That's the tragedy. She could have been dealing with depression, she could have been dealing with normal hormonal changes and had something hit her much harder than it normally would, she could have been the victim of a crime - it doesn't matter. She wasn't alone, but she believed she was - and no-one happened to notice, and tell her that there were ways to get help.

Basically, she was trying to figure out how to stay alive, and couldn't solve the puzzle. Kids, especially, need help in solving the puzzle. Adults do as well, but the older we get, the more we understand that there is help, and we can be more responsible for trying to get it. Kids are going through it for the first time. They need compassion, not judgement.

Anyway, that's what I'd talk to that older woman about.
 
I read about the young kids committing suicide and I know it's sad, but I understand also why they do it. My first attempt was at 11yrs old, I've tried and fail 8 more times. Although I came close 3 times. it's sad, I just don't know if we can stop it.
 
I know people are going to disagree with me, but I myself am I teen, and I think people are way too easy on us. Any negative conflict is marked as bullying and immediately stopped. When we grow up, and start living in the real world, we aren't going to be prepared for dealing with conflicts and overcoming obstacles because adults always try to intervene whenever the going gets tough.

We're being coddled to our own disadvantage. We are being raised to never deal with adversity. I think tough love is one of the best kinds of love... and I think we need a little more of it. I'm not saying we should go to extremes and tell our kids to suck it up on serious matters. Life now is simple compared to how it will be when I am 21. We don't have to pay taxes, worry about insurance, paying rent, student loans, etc. We've got it easy for now.

Now, what that woman said, especially so soon after that girl committed suicide, was insensitive. I understand that if she was 'toughened up' as a child, she could still very possibly commit suicide, and it could've been a disorder. I think parents should pay attention to their kids when they say they are sad or depressed.

When I was 11, a little girl fell off a slide (was not seriously injured, just a skinned elbow) and nobody was allowed to use the playground for a week and the parents demanded an inspection. That is definitely an overreaction. In grade 8, I remember this boy kept calling a girl "mouthbreather chipmunk eater" one day (this is not a joke), and the girl went home and told her mom and she said, in quotes, "I will not rest until that boy is suspended for his sickening actions." Then there was this whole anti-bullying assembly... and I felt awful for the boy because everyone blamed him for making them attend an assembly.

I do not think what that woman said was appropriate, but I do find some truth to it.
 
Kids, especially, need help in solving the puzzle.

Indeed as the place in our brain that sees around a corner, consequence for an action or that theres another way, doesnt develop until early 20s.

Everyone failed that child big time and it is in no way easier for kids today.

i remember that i couldnt see an end. I couldnt seem to realize that high school would end eventually. I couldnt seem to realize that high school was just a speck in my life. It was my world and when an entire high school is ganging up on you by the way of the internet or see you're "sexting" picture because you made a mistake or a bazillon different ways kids can bully, it is your entire world. No soft place to land, no one to talk to and hopelessness breeds fast.

And i also agree that today we have much more war and terrorism and ISIS and 9/11 and all of the world's problems seem to build up on a child and very quickly turns to fear and depression which can lead to hopelessness.

Although I came close 3 times. it's sad, I just don't know if we can stop it.

Yes we can!

The entire issue is we arent here to talk to and listen and really hear and understand our children! We need to be their soft place to land!

And let them know, really know, that they are loved!

Parent correctly!

Monitor the internet where pediphiles are today!

If i had felt loved, if I had felt worthy, if i had a person to come to, to talk to, a person to be my "soft place to land" and if i were heard, really heard and understood, if my words mattered to someone, i mattered to someone, i never would have been suicidal.

There's a fix. The question is, will society care enough to fix it?
 
Lady is just too dumb to know it.

When did "Society" ever deeply affect anyone?

Last time I checked, only those whom one actually knows can f*ck one up to the brink of suicide.

For young people, there is a high correlation to break ups, betrayals, and loosing face. There is a huge copy-cat phenomenon. They see some other teen getting air time for dying, and it becomes a romantic, ideal way to make an exit.

Youth are more impulsive than adults. More likely to act on an impulse. But how would "Society" remove their basic, biological development toward impulsivity coupled with a huge loss they don't know hot to bounce back from, like a humiliation, extreme and constant bullying, or a betrayal?

If anything, society is being too harsh because they face slander everywhere, most especially, via the phones, where they hide their young hearts these days.

All day, I have seen teens try to capture photographic images or video of other people in their most embarassing or weak moments in order to publish that image of them and broadcast it via Snapchat. They say vile things. They lack any empathy in 9th grade. It's a competitive impulse they later regret, after the damage is done. It gets done to them, and they feel justified in getting even with "society."

Society is nothing if not a cold, harsh bullying for most 9th grade students today. There is no sympathy for them. So many kids are beaten and bullied while their friends watched on. Because their phones said, "Hey, look, your friend's really a loser!"

This cognitive distortion lasts for years!

When I see what cell phones and apps have done to our kids, and watched them kill themselves over being involved in this negative culture we have opened up for them 24-7 and cannot protect them from, I do not see Society as anything but the ones profiting from the $600 phone while not thinking about putting the power to bully on a grand scale in the hand of every teen.
 
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