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Too Afraid Of Guys To Try A Relationship

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LoveIsHealing

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Hello,

I've been afraid of men since I was small, mostly because both of my parents were sexually assaulted, but actually I was already afraid of them before I even knew those things.

I get nauseous being around men alone, and I don't trust them. When guys have tried to kiss me, I get really angry and want to hit them.

I am conflicted because I know there are good guys out there and I would like to try having a relationship with a good one at some point. But I've waited so long that I don't think anyone would put up with someone who has such little experience in relationships. They would have to be extremely patient, and I feel like there just isn't anyone who would be willing to put up with such a freaked out scardy cat while I work out these issues.

Are there other people out there that got a late start in having relationships because of PTSD? I would like to hear some opinions. :geek:
 
Hi there!

I can relate to this a lot, I've never had a true relationship. I've been afraid of men most of my life and then the idea of being in a relationship terrifies me. To clarify, I have a difficult enough time being hugged by friends so I don't know what guy would want to put up with that.

Although, my very good friend did tell me that the right guy will come along and will be patient and courteous to my problems. In the time before I meet this guy, I am working on my PTSD symptoms and learning to love myself first because honestly I've grown up believing I'm a terrible person (partly due to what happened to me and partly due to how my parents could sometimes act toward me).

My T mentioned to me last year that a good stepping stone is first becoming friends, learning to create trust in men. I've done this, I have a few guy friends I trust very much and deep down I know they would never hurt me.

I know, as time passes and I manage my PTSD better, that maybe I'll be able to date. I also fear that as time passes, a guy may not want someone so inexperienced but I'd rather be a little inexperience in a relationship than try to force myself into something that would damage my psychological well-being more than what has already been done.
 
Hello,

My experience is both quite different for gendered aspects of what I've gone through, but tonally not so different as you'll no doubt detect. Mine was an odd childhood dominated by an emotionally neglectful father who died early, whereas I was youngest of three children who invisibly came of age within female-dominated household. Undisclosed (here and now anyways) inappropriate moments with older sister and role-reversal experiences undesired in the company of my depressed and overwhelmed single mother seared into memory unscheduled dimensions of experience that otherwise, and in very different circumstance, may have equated to harmless exploration of identity. Materials I study now commonly employ the blanket term 'traumatic sexualization', and indeed such captures something I do suppose.

The interpersonal skills and heterosexual relation template afforded to me was far from best in class, given that men were demonized by my two older sisters in particular. Many of these men were in point of fact card-carrying goons, although to experience such one-sided and loudly articulated views strongly suggested that deep within I could scarcely be different. Among other things, I served as an unofficial personal assistant to block contact between them and many an undesired suitor, etc. The sum effect is that I felt like my siblings and my mothers best gay friend for I couldn't possibly have an interest in staking out an independent identity of my own. My sisters just never inquired about or verbally supported inclinations I might have harbored to find a girlfriend even if such was ultimately my business to take up. Gosh, I think about that time and I'm at pains to recall anything in the way of textured interest in my legitimate development of an identity.

It didn't help that I was so socially awkward that my only friends across my secondary schooling were in essence on the road to reasoned homosexual identification even if ultimately I was not. Add it all up, and I just couldn't push past the memories of mixed childhood sensations of inchoate desire, conceptions of sin, beliefs that I was fated to be harshly judged and rejected in the interpersonal realm, etc. Depression combined with some reflexive attempt at fitful identity assertion got me away from my teen homosexual friends during the early months of my sophmore year, but so traumatized by identity conflict, guilt, missed experiential markers, etc. I had no intimations then that from 17 to about 31 years of age that I'd have no friends to speak of. Whatever skill set required to initiate and sustain friendships atrophied to nothing, whereas simply 'switching' orientation even as my widely presumed high school experiences equated to nothing was ghastly territory to chart.

Rushing ahead and compressed for content and time constraints, it seems that close proximity presence of agreeable females is often far too much for me to endure, let alone process. I register attraction, PTSD trigger in relation to what is recalled in brief above, find I have no suitable 'heterosexual male protocol' to draw upon - and I flee in terror. I confuse good people - people that just might possibly be reasoned relationship prospects, while all I seem capable of is edging towards relationships I seemingly cannot have. Dozens of quite nice interactions and moments are cataloged in my memory, with names and place quite irritatingly summoned up absent respite - but very little interpersonal happiness for how to put a name on the totality of dysfunction manifest so?

Two heterosexual relations since 'had' (beginning only in my 39 year), although the second seemed to expand upon preexisting legagies of hurt for neglect of my reasoned need for attachment even as the physical aspect of the relation was too much. An unexpected open marriage liason if you will, with someone smart, like-oriented to the topics I care deeply about, and seemingly well-grounded. When matters 'went live' the soc. sci. exploration and topic content fell away as I became someone's erotic projection largely absent the emotional comfort and attention I now recognized I craved.

A tryst schedule one may adhere to, lurid telephone calls, and experiences one struggles to describe, let alone plainly speak of doesn't substitute for a core relationship that isn't there. Not being seen on the street in certain locales, strictly limited comfort in one's arms within environments one favors, but 'raw and now' behind closed doors even as I'm not Christian Bale in American Psycho. :stop: What for a few days seemed almost funny edged towards the scary as the outlines of her legacies of emotional neglect and a later physical assault was discerned even as she struggled to disguise such. 'I' was the one designated as "...impaired and mentally unwell" if not "sick". Such an imbalance of power, needs unmet, overscaled fantasy substituting for what interrelation(s) otherwise framed could have afforded. I was an innocent and deeply inexperienced nerd who had been 'shopped for', and my awakening to this reality leaves me so confused. Beware those who offload undealt-with trauma, presuming you'll pick up the tab regardless of where it leads...

Now 43 years of age, I carry about more edgy intimate memories than I really desire to claim, a massive backlog of interpersonal heterosexual flirtations that in truth may have gone nowhere at all, and a sensitivity that stops me dead in relation to the pursuit of what might help to effect some healing; i.e. a reasoned and balanced relation where the needs of each partner are expressed, responsed to, and I should hope - met. Young women pick up on the shyness, pick up on my poorly-disguised attraction, and yet personally registering such in total doesn't reliably equate to much more than an amplification of a certain sensitivity. Not really an answer or a way out, but a comparable experience shared then...

M.
 
I can relate. There are many reasons I am terrified of a relationship.

First my trust issues and fear of being hurt again, which are very deep and strong. Then there's the task of finding someone kind and patient, someone willing to accept me with all my issues.

Finally, even if I was able to find a nice guy I could trust and he's willing to love me as I am. I feel so damaged. I can barely accept PTSD as part of my life, why would I put anyone else through this? I see some of the supporter's posts on this forum sometimes and think to myself how I don't want to put anyone through that.

Maybe it will change in the future, I am somewhat hopeful. But for now I've pretty much accepted relationships are not a possibility for me.
 
I understand how you feel. I've never been in a relationship and find myself terrified at the prospect. I find it very difficult to trust and have always been afraid of men (there is presumed sexual abuse in my childhood, though I have no specific memories). I would really like to have a relationship, but I worry about so many things. I would be too awkward, especially because I'm so inexperienced...it would be too difficult for the other person to be in a relationship with someone like me...I'm too consumed with my own issues to be beneficial for someone else. But I think that I'm realizing more than anything else that everyone is screwed up in their own way, a way that makes them genuine and authentic and uniquely beautiful in their vulnerability.
 
I've been afraid of men since I was small,

Same here, can't remember a time that I was not wary of them. At this point in my life I can interact with men as long as it is in a "professional" sense like for work or for a group project in school. I have issues with people being in my "personal space" since I rarely like being hugged and sometimes can almost go into a panic attack when I am holding hands with someone. I also have trouble in crowds since I can feel like I am trapped and want to hit people to make them get out of my way (have never done this but really do want to at the time).

To me trust has to be earned and should never given freely to anyone. Since I tend to be more trusting of women a guy has to overcome a natural biased I have against him. I know being biased against men is not fair to the ones that are decent but, unfortunately I have found that this is instinctual so it is really hard to turn off.

The one relationship I have had did not go very well. He was always pushing me for more physical contact like kisses, hugs, etc. I went along with it for awhile but I figure out that I resented him for pushing me. That and he could not accept that a I did not enjoy getting jewelry or going out to fancy restaurants made are relationship difficult. In the end I learned that I need someone that allows me to go at my own speed and does not push me when I don't want to do something along with being accepting of the way I am.
 
I'm not so much afraid of men, but people in general. Which of course only impedes my ability for a relationship.

I was hospitalized at age 15 due to a viral infection that caused severe nerve damage in my inner ear. I developed a lot of cranial facial pain that still persists to this day (I'm 22). That viral infection also caused bone degeneration in my jaw, which led to jaw reconstruction. Needless to say I have a lot of chronic pain every day.

My issue stems to the fact that I went from athlete one day to hospitalized the next. No one touched me EVER when I was hospitalized, and for good reason. The act of being touched hurt. Recieving a hug jarred my head and sent me writhing in pain. Someone talking to me too closely set off the nerve damage in my ear. My whole body would twitch and spasm in attempt to get away from any type of physical stimulii.

The only time I was ever touched was by accident or by a Doctor who would tell me to brace myself for pain.

I associate touch with pain. Something I'm working to fix but I admit is slow going.

Being touched now doesn't have that horrible pain anymore. It may hurt a little or not at all. But I still expect the pain. I flinch when someone goes to touch me. I brace myself for the pain.

Years of that pain taught me that touch was bad. It's Pavlov's dog. I don't feel comfort when I'm hugged, I still expect that pain even though it doesn't happen.

I'm very good at being a friend. But being intimate with someone is very difficult. It takes me a long time to even get comfortable with someone touching me via hug or hand holding, never mind being intimate.

With all of my medical issues (being told I was going to die, to relearning how to walk from the nerve damage to my equilibrium, and the sheer amount of pain I was in) I never even considered dating until I was 21 when my health finally evened out and I wasn't on the threshold of medical catastrophe. And it was only then that I realized how bad my PTSD was. I dated sure, but have I had a legitamite relationship? Not so much.

And I honestly want a relationship, but realistically speaking I can't have that yet. Not with how I am now. I have to work on me. I have to work on being comfortable around people before I even dare to try that again.
 
M,

You have impressive and amazing writing skills.

I really don't like being touched and when I do feel like having sex. I just get busy. I have heard many women who hate when men have sex with them and role out of the bed, get dressed and leave. Which is cruel and demeaning. I confess I am I the same as many men get busy, dressed and I am done. I enjoy meaningful conversations and laughter over sex any day.
 
E.,

Thanks for the kind notice. There was just something palpably unreal and strange about the open marriage relation that side-stepped what protective boundaries might otherwise have served to better protect me. Speaking of myself, my comparative immaturity seemed part of the value I brought to whatever that relation was, whereas it would be disingenuous for me to suggest that curiosity and desire (melded with emotional longing too!) had me say 'Yes' to much that now more forcibly negotiate. Even with this said, the overwhelming impact of much compressed into so short of space leaves me reeling as I recall such. I'd strongly advise anyone negotiating like-territory or those so-tempted for want of tangible interpersonal connection in their midst to appreciate that the risks are high.

I mistakenly thought I was protected for the quite constant reiteration of the limitations of the relationship such at it was, believing that my sole challenge was to throttle what inclinations I might harbor to lure her away from her creepy Karen Carpenter's brother husband. I didn't calculate for the possibility that she'd push the boundaries as part of her need to experience the earth-shattering risque; i.e. to be afforded what I came to recognize as tonal aspects and even scenes from various Juliette Binoche films. In particular, the Louis Malle picture Damage is quite impossible for me to look past. I suppose one could say that there are worse individuals to be compared to versus the character Jeremy Irons played, but I was so profoundly unprepared that it seems my maturational circuitry suffered fire damage for what was experienced.

I didn't think I could remain so detached, and yet I was every bit the James Spader character in relation to what was one moment frolicsome, unsupervised co-ed summer camp debauchery, and the next her bonding in a way that frankly seemed out of bounds. How cruel to participate in something that effectively denied more essential interpersonal attachment equating to monogamous love? At one moment I'd be lectured (and not quite needed this) not to strictly attach - to in fact sing the praises of her daring embrace of polyandry, and soon I'd hear the deeper and more earthy summons to come hither. I simultaneously felt placed on a pedestal, occupying a deeply unethical space for what seemed quite exploitative, and yet bereft of personal agency for I seemed to have been employed as an actor of sorts. Even weeks earlier I couldn't have imagined such a thing might happen, that such would constitute an aspect of my personal history attached and set atop all that had occurred before.

It took time for me to trace the outlines of her own trauma history, whereas again and again I seemed more an idealized projection versus a legitimately concerned individual invested in stabilizing her impressions of much. How to love someone if what they best relate to is the script character they've presumably cast you for? It was so terribly bizarre; i.e. the way and means by which I would be at one moment the childhood intimate she hadn't had, the next moment the very image of a working class intellectual divorced from the larger world wishing only to physically ravish her, with other roles and facets articulated and played out (almost silently by myself) as so suited the moment. What seemed momentarily amusing soon was far from it, whereas a very nasty aspect of myself and my presentation is the weird mix of emotional disconnect and inexperience I represent mated to what 'book knowledge' I have which suggests analogous sophistication in other realms that simply isn't there. I suppose I'm still gathering the pieces up then, severely ruing the near-absence of normative realm interpersonal and yes, sexual experiences I've had. In particular, I'm entirely spooked by young couples who seem, by way of contrast, able to quite automatically relate to each other across spheres and facets that too frequently seems impossible for me. Thanks...

M.
 
Are there other people out there that got a late start in having relationships because of PTSD? I would like to hear some opinions.
Yes I still cannot form meaningful relationships. Never have been able to, I am 46 now.

When I read your first post I thought fear of what the man will do if I said no, would he force me, would it be easier to just give up and pretend I wanted it to save embarrassment? Irrational thoughts I know.

It also reminded me that I never knew that I was entitled to personal boundaries or to say no. I am still learning these.

It also reminded me that I had no idea what their motives are, are they just being nice to get into my knickers or do they actually like me. No, why should they I have way to many issues. And I do not think I am worthy of love. But that is me.

I still think one day I will find a soul mate. I am getting to like myself more and so am more confident in them liking me for more than just sex.

best wishes
Saffy :)
 
I am new here and hope I don't cross any lines posting this. I am a 46 year old gay man and I don't trust men very much either.....funky very funky to be attracted to your own sex but not trust them at the same time. It is only very recently that I have been willing to address my PTSD and just have always thought I would be going through life alone, and I have thought that for so long and gotten used to the thought that it really does not bother me any more, I am very numbed to it now.

At this point I would be thrilled to settle for interesting conversation, seriously, that's enough for me at this point in my life. I have my doubts that I am going to find a man who would have the patience to deal with me and the bundle of nerves/craziness I can sometimes be.

Squireparty
 
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