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Too much laughter in sessions, how to navigate consulting with another therapist?

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People make the shift with the RIGHT kind of support. This is not your change to make flying solo. You need guidance.

I said to my psydoc in our first appointment - weary, teary and wary - “I don’t know how to do this” and she replied “You don’t have to. That’s my job.”
 
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I think everybody shifts differently but from my experience, too long of a therapy, some of the downside is a lot of people start to depend on the therapist for safety and they also project a lot of their strength parts (empathy etc) to the therapist. The dynamic of the relationship is very similar to a baby and a mother. The client is depending on the therapist for some emotional support - very hard to get out of as a traumatic person.
Another thing is the client takes affects out of body straight to the head as intellectualizing (I have seen few people here who fell into that) and that means they are not emotionally connect to their experience but can easily narrate their story. both of these scenarios do not support healing or one will need a great shift and a lot of luck along the way and a great therapist.

This therapist has enhanced your defense in humor and this is hurting you as you can attest to.

No matter what else she is doing right, you are reaching a plateau with her. If you are waking up to her barrier to your psychological health, then wake up and take action. If you are feeling unable to leave her regardless of how logic this seems to you but not people in your life, then that says a lot.

Humor is dangerous defense when used this way. Laugh now and then yes. Not laugh to make you feel this setback no.

I think your body is screaming for finding another path to health and I hope you listen to it.

All the best truly
 
How come I am not doing it well? I don’t know. How do people make the shift?
I make jokes as a defense mechanism as well. Many of my therapy sessions start with me making jokes and both of us laughing. Sometimes some of my jokes are a bit inappropriate and I start trying to laugh at/about my trauma. That's when my therapist stops laughing with me and I apologize for the inappropriate joke. He responds by telling me that he understands what I'm doing and it's ok.

At that point, he tends to direct the conversation a bit more. He starts asking me different sort of questions that seem to cut through even that defense and starts getting to the underlying emotion. When he gets to that there are no jokes, no laughing, I can't think of any more jokes to make, there is just...other feelings.

So, I think it is not something you're not doing well. It's something the therapist needs to be able to see and help you overcome. They need to take the wheel at that point. At least that is my experience. It will be interesting to see the response you receive from your therapist. I think either, it will be eye opening for her in that she needs to seriously adjust her approach with you - if she can; or you know you need to find someone else. But either way, it is not you.
 
My mother called tonight. I answered. I had my reasons and it was stupid to answer.

She is the original person who chuckled at pain and ignored cries for help.

With my therapist, I don’t know....

How do I approach this without the anger of a child being neglected?

I said to my psydoc in our first appointment - weary, teary and wary - “I don’t know how to do this” and she replied “You don’t have to. That’s my job.”
I can’t even imagine that happening. It makes perfect sense.

My old therapist laughed so much.... I mean... it was worse.

In the past, I wouldn’t have found it a relief to have a therapist who knew what to do more than I did. I would have seen it as a good thing that of course it’s their job to know, but I would have been distrustful.

Now. I want to trust. I want to let go. I’m so sick of all the defense mechanisms. Just sick of it!

I guess that’s why this is hitting me now. It’s not new thing for her to laugh too much, but it’s new for it to bother me like this. I want to be able to just let go.

My therapist tried to super analyze friends and others in my life recently. Normally, I’d think that was great. But I didn’t care. I ended up tearfully telling her I didn’t care, I’m the client, I’m in pain, it doesn’t matter what’s up for them, I’m here. Me. I hurt. I don’t want to analyze them anymore.

Whatever this shift is in me, it’s throwing us both.

Tonight I had a conversation with my mother, who is a mess. She wanted to help replace a few of the missing items (some were self employment related) and I’m conflicted. I can’t afford it myself but I don’t think it’s worth the cost of her help.

She wants to visit too and I was explaining now isn’t a good time. She’ll respect the boundary to not come now, but she has this habit of asking the most hurtful why questions that I think she actually means in not hurtful ways. She actually asked, “why did someone steal your purse?” Explaining “thieves are greedy that’s why they steal” is legitimately the answer. If I say that, she’ll say “oh.” It’s like talking to a child. That’s my mother about 25 percent of the time. I don’t understand it. No one does. She’s not developmentally disabled. She is highly dissociative and has no treatment and only speaks to me and one other person this way. She has even asked why was I raped... it took a lot time for me to finally understand I was talking to a child in an adult body.

I have an I-won’t-answer-why-questions boundary with her. My answer is always, “go ask a therapist. I can’t answer why questions.” Her “what” and “how” questions are more adult.

She is the person that first didn’t hear my pain.

So many times I could respond with “because monkeys fly out of my butt” and she wouldn’t blink an eye and would say “oh ok” if anything at all. Most of the time, it would be nothing.

Therapy should be the one place where I can get a response that helps me feel my pain. Not feel like I don’t exist or am humilated.

This therapist does listen. Even when I’m a jerk. She has good boundaries. She gets my stuff. I don’t want to quit. I just can’t sustain the laughing.

Weird thing is that I think she really wants me to bring these walls down. I don’t think we disagree - that’s why we both keep trying.

The anger.... I’m so angry about this. I need to get that under check. It’s coming out as make-myself-feel-real bad coping skills.
 
I get the wanting to change and leave the defenses behind thing. Regardless of how painful this is for you right now it actually sounds like you at a point of change and healing. Being in control yourself all the time only takes you so far. And it does take others time to adjust when you change tack.

It sounds a little like you have to give you both more time to readjust your dynamics if that is the case. You wanted a and were putting out signals that you wanted a (even though you may have wanted b and c quietly). Now you really really really do not want any more a. Your a tolerance is gone. Who knows. If she is super duper good she may even have pushed you to get to this point.

I hope it all takes the next turn for you now. Reagrdless it sounds like you are changing and that usually leads to change.

Your mothers stuff sounds really confusing!
 
It sounds a little like you have to give you both more time to readjust your dynamics if that is the case. You wanted a and were putting out signals that you wanted a (even though you may have wanted b and c quietly). Now you really really really do not want any more a. Your a tolerance is gone. Who knows. If she is super duper good she may even have pushed you to get to this point.

This sounds so hopeful! I hope maybe this is the case, and this letting go is what she has been pushing for and she has noticed the soft vulnerability... and said she liked it. I liked it. Then I got all off on this bent of being laughed at... and I may have sabatoged everything the past two days.

Maybe though this is all part of the process of this changing.
 
At that point, he tends to direct the conversation a bit more. He starts asking me different sort of questions that seem to cut through even that defense and starts getting to the underlying emotion. When he gets to that there are no jokes, no laughing, I can't think of any more jokes to make, there is just...other feelings.
This is so helpful to read. This is what I want, and yet I can fully own I have been much more directive myself because I’ve been too scared until now to let go. Now? Still scared but not so much and mostly just sick of my defenses. Desperate.
 
Change totally sucks.

And it’s helpful to remember that rupture and repair are a really useful aspect of the therapeutic relationship.

My mum is someone who “means well” but is in a permanent state of denial. Everything is rainbows and unicorns. So much so that it triggered the most awful visual flashback a few weeks ago during a phone call. I’m still struggling with that so I have great empathy for your push-pull conflict :hug:
 
Change totally sucks.
Yes. Yes it does.

You wrote a good reminder about repair and therapy. I worry my texts today crossed the line. The emails? I think she can handle it even though it was not ideal. I hope she can. The texts, she has not responded to, but it’s the weekend, we don’t normally text beyond logistics or a simple request for a call, at my request. They were a request for help. So. I guess not out of line. I don’t know.

I am so sorry you have to deal with the mother-in-denial too. It’s so painful. :hug:
 
@Justmehere , please dont be hard on yourself about the email you sent. Hopefully this will be the turning point in her realising the problems you are having with her laughing and will instigate a conversation.
It sounds like you have positives in your therapeutic relationship so you dont want to change t’s ... so be honest with her about how she makes you feel.
My t tells me that i use humour as an avoidance and she tells me that she will always listen to me whether im crying , laughing etc etc . I’d always thought that i needed to be witty and funny to be heard , which isnt the case ( comes from my trauma - csa when i wasnt heard)
I do feel your pain hun and i genuinely hope you can find some peace and and outcome that works for you *hugs if accepted*
 
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