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Trouble With Police As Triggers

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People in power + they are macho pig headed lunk heads who are more apt to abuse that power? And...

No .That's why I was confused. I have to navigate around lunk heads in power a lot. I rarely feel totally powerless in those situations, when I do I'm inclined to think its only temporary. Quite a few of those people have more power than a police or probation officer.

I did feel an unspoken power over me and a threat to the children I care about. It was the type of abuse I sensed, not the legitimate power they have in reality.

I suppose that's the definition of a trigger.
 
They arent motivated by an infrastructure game like @Anarchy pointed out, but he is correct about that being the system. The motivation of these people is dominance and impunity within the law that hands them the weapons and the excuses.
Legal impunity enables their sense of entitlement.
I'm not implying any hidden agenda behind abusive cops
it's simply the inevitable outcome of it being a coercive institution.



Before delving any deeper into it, it's worth remembering that before the middle of the 19th century, there was next to zero state sector policing in the English speaking world.

There were one or two examples, for example the county of Middlesex, where most British members of parliament either lived full time, or at least had their town houses, had a county police force from the mid 18th century, but that was a way for the politicians to spread the cost of defending their personal property (against gangs of British soldiers who were returning from Britain's long wars in Europe, and who had lived for years by stealing from other people) onto all residents of Middlesex, rather than paying the cost of defending their personal property themselves (in short the politicians distributed and socialised the costs - and received the concentrated and private benefits).

so - state sector policing is relatively new in our society (the institution is only about 150 years old) , and is certainly not an essential ingredient for a society to develop or to prosper.

State sector police are certainly not the only sort of "police" either. In Britain and America they're outnumbered at least three to one by private provision at all levels - from ultra high level specialist security hired in by banks and insurers to investigate and recover theft and fraud, right through the spectrum of protecting high value cargoes, to the humble mall security man and building site night watchman. There is also charitable provision to poor and minority communities (eg Dale Brown's threat management centre in Detroit).
I hope that those few examples show that security can be and is currently provided (at all levels of complexity and in much greater quantity) by private provision - it isn't a good/service which necessarily requires a coercive state to provide it in the form of a monopoly (which inevitably suffers from all of the problems and abuses of monopolies).

OK, with that out of the way

there are two ways for people to organise and coordinate with each other;

  • consensually -
where we choose who's examples we may want to follow, who we would like to (or least dislike to) work for, who we want to spend our time with and how we want to spend it.

within that consensual side there are also institutions which prevent conflicts from arising (for example generally accepted conventions for deciding who has the right to use and dispose of certain goods at any particular time) and options for peacefully resolving disputes and redressing torts when they occur.

Our employers only have the "power" over us that we allow them to have, before we leave them and go work for someone else.

We are of course constrained by the laws of nature - two people cannot travel the same lane on the road at 80mph in opposite directions at the same time...

  • and coercively -
where someone else decides and forces their decisions and whims onto us (and probably gas light us into thinking that we chose those whims by voting - or "that's how things have to be").

state sector cops are the muscle/thugs who enforce that coercion.

it's no surprise if you find your personal sense of justice, and safety being offended by a steroid fuelled fat blue line!
 
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Legal impunity enables their sense of entitlement.
I'm not implying any hidden agenda behind abusive co...

I'm going to have to BRB on this one because I cant do it justice on my time of 3:20 am

Thats BRB maybe after a lot of coffee in a few hours.

I'm very happy you gave me something interesting to think about here, thanks.
 
@Anarchy I think your post is a very accurate description of what policing really is and how it came about.

As you say, private sector security is more more prevalent than the average person realizes. They also are usually better trained and have more power in how they can influence the justice system. Not the average mall cop, but higher level private security.

The problem with the very civilized and accurate description of the initial theory and lack of necessity for state policing you've described, is that Americans on the whole aren't capable of grasping that.

Because we are essentially a nation of disorganized gun clutching amendment waving yahoos, we require a legal posse of gun clutching yahoos to keep us in line.

It is a very sad state of affairs.

I went to Europe for the first time at 16 years old and couldnt get over the fact the police weren't armed. I asked people why they listened to them then, and they looked at me like it was an odd question to ask. That speaks volumes right there. I also remembered looking at their shoes, because they looked really uncomfortable, like dress shoes. I felt like the police force was handicapped by having no gun and then given painful shoes to chase people ( or run away in ).

I dont think it would ever be possible to have a civilized policing policy like they have in some of Europe here.

What we are doing wrong, and I mean shockingly wrong, is taking almost no measures to properly screen and train who we give police badges to.

Its a poorly paid job, there is a lot of bureaucracy thats irritating, its either high risk or boring as hell, depending on where you're stationed and it just doesnt attract the right people for the right reasons as a career anymore.

The average starting salary of a police officer in San Francisco is $81,000 annually. After 7 years of service they earn up to $115k . The average cost of living in San Francisco for a single person with no children is $155k annually.

The average starting pay for a cop in NYC is about $45,000 annually, but New York is still slightly more expensive to live in than S.F.

Most of these people, needless to say, actually live in less expensive and also less desirable burrows and suburbs in surrounding areas.

They often cant afford the city they're paid to protect.

I think my fellow Americans are probably going to be mad at my comment here, but anyone who doesnt see this problem isnt just wearing rose colored glasses anymore, its flat out denial.

Ideally, an entire overhaul of our concept of policing should happen like you point out in your comment. I just think that its probably not possible with our cultural mentality.
 
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Yes, police are one of my biggest triggers. I assumed just because I saw them during the worst of the trauma? I've never really been able to figure it out, except I had a bit of Stockholm syndrome and wonder if my fear of police came from some sick need to protect the perpetrator from police.
 
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