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Sufferer Trying To Understand What I Am Dealing With?

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Hi, new here. I am 54, married, 2 children - one easy, one not so much. That is a story for another time. This post is about my mom…I am perplexed and trying to understand, after feeling shunned for decades.

I have always struggled with my parents, never quite understanding but knowing that it was far, far different from 'the norm'. A distant relative, a nurse, recently referred to my dad as a 'psychopath'. I looked it up. Bingo! Psychopath, sociopath, call it what you like…he's no Hannibal Lecter, has never killed anyone, but certainly wrecked my mother, my brother, and, well, certainly left his mark on me. Verbally and emotionally and physically abusive.

I can deal with that, well enough, though it is no walk in the park. And fortunately, he does not live nearby. He is obvious, and so, relatively easily understood.

This post is about my mom, who I have anguish over but do not understand. I cried buckets as a teen because it always seemed that, as much as I loved her, and as much as she 'went through all the motions', she never did seem to love me. She was excellent to everyone on a very superficial basis…always had on perfect makeup, perfect hair, always had dinner on the table, kept up perfect appearances…but there was never anyone 'there' beyond the superficialities. That was enough when I was a small child and didn't know the difference. Her family of origin called her 'different'…I don't know what that meant…and she married far too young to an abusive older man. He controlled and beat her…threatening to kill her if she ever left him…she is now near the end of life and still with him. More and more, she has detached…just seems to want to be left alone…never outwardly offensive, but never engaged and interested, either. I don't know…was she a relatively normal person who, after years of abuse, just shut down and gave up and withdrew, as the only way of 'survival' she had left? Or…as my husband suggests, is she now (or maybe always was??) mentally ill? If so, with what?

She hides behind the excuse, when pressed, of my dad being abusive (which he is). Neither of them have any friends…they are isolated by choice from family and anyone else. She says my dad would not allow her friends. Yet, she will call other relatives to superficially chit chat on a regular basis, but never wants to hear from me, and doesn't seem to care about her grandchildren, never asks about them, doesn't express any interest in seeing them, seems aloof when I call. If I call and say I'd love to hear from her, she says she will call me (as my dad is so controlling, she can't accept calls), but then never does. When I was a new mom and desperate for her help, even for a week, she said no. No excuse. That was over a decade ago. She really just wants to be left alone. My dad fiercely defends her, using my 'negligence' of her as another reason to attack me. It is alarming that he references things that just never happened to disparage me, my husband, my mother in law, my father in law, well, just about anyone he knows in his small universe.

I have a younger brother. He seems stunted, never had a life, and moved back to be near them. I suspect they are still supporting him, even at age 50, although they are barely middle class themselves. They used to be worried about my younger brother, but as my involvement with them faded (to protect my own kids from abuse) it seems that the role of 'family scapegoat' has now been thrust upon me. While I am mystified by this….I think it has to do with me establishing a life beyond their influence….I still wonder what I am dealing with. As their health problems escalate, I really would like to understand my mom. Schizo personality disorder? That seemed close. Yet I hear that label is being discontinued. She really seems to want to be left alone by everyone, including my dad. I don't know whether it is the shock of the abuse all these years finally wearing her down to nothing, or a psychological problem of her own. Your thoughts? Neither of my parents would ever consider psychological help…ever…they distrust everyone and don't see that they have any issues. It is always the hatred of someone else that keeps them going…these days, me, because I no longer pay for their visits to see their grandchildren. While I am more relieved than ever from protecting my kids from their abuse and distorted views of reality, I do hurt…I am not superhuman…and wish I understood what it is that my mother 'has' that has kept her from being a loving, normal mom….I have always felt so 'pushed away' and unprotected. Maybe, as I became a mom myself, I realized what was really missing all these years.

While
 
Welcome Daffodil to the forum. So glad you came :)

I understand your story intimately. My PTSD is from a pathological relationship. There are many helpful books on this subject. I feel your pain. This is a safe place and the people here are amazing.

Hope to see you around.
 
Hi daffodils,

Welcome to MyPTSD forum! :)

When a family of origin is the source of much of our pain and confusion, it is normal to try to want to organize it into something that makes sense. But at the same time that you search for answers, spend the majority of your time and energy to be the best that you can be, so you can enjoy your life and your family.

I hope you find the information and support here beneficial.

Take care.

Debbie
 
Welcome to the forum. Whatever the reasons for your mother behaving as she did (and it sounds like there could be many), it seems that the result was the emotional neglect of her children. One thing that helped me understand my parents (and myself) better was reading a book mentioned in one of the threads on this site, which my T recommended as well - Running on Empty by Jonice Webb. It's not the answer to everything of course, but I found it really helpful. I'm wondering if we'll ever find the answers when things are so complicated, and I'm starting to think that maybe we are better off concentrating on our own healing, rather than trying to understand it all. Sometimes, there just aren't enough answers out there, and too many questions.

Anyway, this is such an awesome, supportive site, I hope you feel safe and supported here.
 
Thank you for your replies!

Running on Empty looks like a great book. If anyone has other book suggestions, I'd be very glad to look at those as well.

I do think that the people here have mentioned a great point - it is important to try to focus on 'today' more than the past, as the past is gone, and probably will never be fully understood anyway. Honestly, I am happiest when I can just appreciate my current family and not dwell in the past about things that will never change.

I have had therapy over the years, but for me, just reliving the pain again and again seemed to just make me feel worse. I was praised for 'being able to sit with my pain', which is all well and good, but there didn't seem to be much benefit in it, as I was already very aware of the issues in the first place. These days, the worst part is never knowing when my dad will send another hurtful message my way, catching me off-guard. If it weren't for concerns about my parents' health, I would have already blocked him. I am also concerned that this would set him off in some dangerous way to cause one of us serious physical harm.

I feel the need to do something to address the PTSD, if that is what I have, because it is interfering with my ability to be the parent and spouse I want to be. A challenging child is making this an urgent matter. Frankly, the stress is bringing me to a breaking point. I actually began thinking that I have PTSD because of my medical history, but after looking at this site, it was a revelation that PTSD can be caused by relationships. Seems obvious now.

After all that talk therapy getting nowhere, I am beginning to consider things such as EMDR and somatic experiencing. I feel a strong need to get beyond just a constant rehashing of the ugly details from the past, which I have spent years in therapy doing to no avail, and DO something to feel better, not worse. So far, approaches such as mindfulness, meditation, affirmations, and the practice of gratitude have had positive results. Reframing is also a particularly powerful approach for me.

Thanks again for listening, and I hope that the people here are finding ways to feel better.
 
I just read through the web site of the author therapist Pete Walker (I can't put in the url but the site is his name and com. He has written two books I haven't yet read on the subject of ptsd but his site offers a lot of information about the behavioral characteristics that many people from abusive situations find in themselves and in others.

One thing I know for sure is that whether you believe in God or not (I am agnostic myself), healing must include a spiritual process of evolving compassion and empathy for ourselves. Once this is established, I believe acceptance, if not understanding becomes a place to rest, at least some of the time and the similarly, forgiveness becomes part of the process as well.

I also had mother who seemed one way to others but terrorized and neglected her children behind closed doors. My father left when I was 6 months (they had 8 kids), I am finding it imperative to try to face and deal with the neglect and abuse that happened then in order to understand the painful places I continue to find myself in (an array of current to past relationships with addicts or liars of some kind).

I also encourage others to look at a relatively new form of therapy Family System Dynamics aka Parts Therapy, it is about peeling the onion to get to those parts of ourselves that have been hidden or protected by other parts. When done right, it is like a guided meditation allowing ourselves to go to and tend to banished or hurting parts that need our love. It can be incredibly cathartic - take it from an experienced client, the work of therapy or healing has to include really facing the abuse and hurt and tending to those parts of ourselves, just as a loving parent would. In a way, its like re-parenting yourself, only this time, you are the mother and you bring endless love and acceptance.

Best to you in your healing.
 
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Very powerful and helpful post, Myhope. I have tagged Pete Walker's site…looks like lots of good stuff there.

I do think you've hit the nail on the head about the need to develop compassion and empathy for ourselves, along with acceptance. This has been a challenge for me. My poor husband has been the target of my anger because he just can't supply what must come from within myself…self-love. Need to start learning how to do that…still seems like such an elusive and difficult concept…I feel self-conscious and guilty…as if I don't deserve it. Anyone else here can relate? Anyone have success in overcoming the critical, harsh voice within?

I also think you named why therapy hasn't worked for me up to this point….I name and flop around in the pain, but there hasn't been the 'tending to those parts of ourselves, just as a loving parent would'. Perhaps past therapists thought this would occur spontaneously. It is foreign to me and only recently am I realizing that this is what is missing.
 
I have tagged Pete Walker's site
Hi 24 daffodils. Welcome to the site. I'm new too, though I have spent so much time here in the past couple of days I feel like I've been here forever. Pete Walker's stuff is really, really good. I bought his new book about 10 days ago and found it enormously helpful (Complex PTSD from surviving to thriving). That would be the one to get as he says in his earlier book he focused more on physical abuse, but now better understands the impact of neglect on children.

So much of what you say resonates with me. I think a lot of my issues started coming to a head when my children were born (they are now 17 and 12. Like you, one is easier than the other, though the other has gotten harder with impending teenagerdom, and I am exhausted. I am very recently diagnosed with complex trauma (I guess that's the term now, not cptsd). I have no clue why it has suddenly come out when I am 50.

I hope you will find good healing advice, sharing, and good energy on this site as I have.
 
Welcome to you, too, Hope4Now! Our kids and our ages are almost the same. I will get Pete Walker's second book and am impressed you made your way through it. I feel so exhausted these days, it takes an enormous effort to get through a book, though I was such an avid reader "BK" (before kids). I wonder…just an idea…maybe if midlife 'stuff' could be at least partially behind what we both seem to be going through. It just seems that I notice being older, seeing my children with their whole lives in front of them, with limitless possibilities (as I once had and didn't realize it!) and now understand that there is less time left for me than what I thought, and that there is so much left undone, and what I put off may now be put off forever. My spouse praises me for what I do for others, which is nice and all, but I feel that I lost myself somehow in the process. He pragmatically urges me to let everything lie in the past, which is sensible, but it seems that so many years have been lost. I hope this resonates with someone; it feels silly as I type this…
 
Perhaps past therapists thought this would occur spontaneously. It is foreign to me and only recently am I realizing that this is what is missing.
Yes. Foreign to me too. I am involved in the kind of therapy @Myhope mentioned--at least I think it is the same...here it is called IFS or Internal Family Systems (the website for it is called The Center for Self-Leadership). It is a sort of combination of somatic awareness and mindfulness and talking. Talk alone will never heal our stuff (that is some of the down-side of Pete Walker...seems very talk based, but still fabulously informative and validating). IFS is very powerful stuff, but I am struggling with it. My therapist keeps asking me, "Is your heart feeling open, even a little, to...name the part we're discussing." I finally told him last week that I hate that question because I don't know what I feel. But, I'm practicing, and every once in a while I do feel a difference. I don't think any type of trauma therapy really will work until we figure out how to manufacture some self-compassion. I have such trouble with this that tonight, when I was talking to my therapist on the phone (I have had a day of particular hideousness), he asked if he could speak directly to one of my parts (the one that tortures me with nasty comments about myself). I think he did this because I'm not managing that part too well. The whole scenario made me sort of laugh at the ridiculousness of it (another part getting in the way), but I gave him permission. He talked for a good 5 minutes, and it was actually amazingly powerful. I told him now he has to call back and say the same thing in a voicemail so that I can listen to it about 30 times over, and maybe it will sink in.

My spouse praises me for what I do for others, which is nice and all, but I feel that I lost myself somehow in the process.
Wow do I hear you. I have been saying vaguely for years that I feel like I lost myself. I think I was partially lost before marriage and children, but it has gotten more lost as the years go on. My life is far too busy with responsibilities, and I am now trying to figure out how to slow down enough to get to know myself and hopefully heal this chaos I'm living in internally.

You asked about midlife stuff. I am wondering this too. I love being 50 in many ways. Far less concerned about achieving things and about what other people think about me. In many ways it is liberating. But I completely empathize with the sort of bittersweetness that comes with watching your children getting ready to launch into the world. It makes me feel very sad for myself at those ages when I was so very unhappy and couldn't embrace life's fullness. I do wonder whether changing hormones can contribute to a lot of the emotional upheaval too. There are lots of self-help books out there that aim at helping people "find themselves" as they get older. One recently "jumped" into my hands at a used bookstore...it is called "It's Only Too Late if You Don't Start Now." I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, and you might too. Of course it is not aimed at people who have ptsd, but the idea that one can rediscover a true self that has been buried under *&^% for so many years is not so far off from the healing work we do in trauma therapy. And the fact that this author is so popular bears testament to the fact that "mid-life crisis" is something most thinking/feeling people actually deal with. Unfortunately for me, my mid-life crisis decided to take the form of ptsd from an accumulated lifetime of denied trauma. Wham!
 
Indeed. I so understand. Will look up the book.

BTW, I have a cousin who calls her critical self-talk by name, "Stella". It helps her get power over the negative thoughts, i.e. "oh, it is just Stella talking". I think there are many of us with a self-critical voice!
 
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