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I can only speak humbly from my own perspective and experiences, and incomplete self-knowledge, but I agree with @Meadowsweet , and something doesn't seem 'quite right' when I hear BB. I also find I feel quite badly when I hear her talk, but that is simply me. My point being it doesn't serve to uplift me at all, but depresses me. I too do not link vulnerability with the absence of shame, but I do think part of the misunderstanding may be because I do equate vulnerability given when pushing the comfort zone as easier when shame is not focused on at that particular moment. That being said I recall being extremely vulnerable and MOST ashamed dealing with post/during-suicidal trouble.

I think it's good to realize some people are safe to be vulnerable with, but some are not.

I think some of the 'how to get there' comes from 'not doing'- not guarding, not acting on fear, etc. Like @Rumors said 'to do'. @Pencil , someone said somewhere, it's important 'to just show up'. Gosh knows we overthink/ over-feel/ over-fear. ((((((Pencil))))).
 
I think some of the 'how to get there' comes from 'not doing'- not guarding, not acting on fear, etc. Like @Rumors said 'to do'. @Pencil , someone said somewhere, it's important 'to just show up'

Oh my goodness. This makes sense - it's my frustration that she seems to be simply saying "just do it" but not saying how. If "just do it" is the how.... well, if so then I obviously don't live on Planet Brene Brown.

Not particularly up for giving a synopsis of her material, but I will collect my thoughts and put together something after work this evening

Thanks, @The Albatross . I don't want to put you to a lot of trouble. I was imagining a more immediate headline sort of thing. Like Susan Jeffers' point is to remind yourself that you can handle it. She said a lot of other stuff but that's her basic message and it runs through everything. If Brene Brown doesn't have anything so straightforward then I don't want to make you do tons of work - if that was the case then I think that in itself would be the answer.
 
Oh my goodness. This makes sense - it's my frustration that she seems to be simply saying "just do it" but not saying how. If "just do it" is the how.... well, if so then I obviously don't live on Planet Brene Brown.

BB is asking us to ignore red flags.


I think some of the 'how to get there' comes from 'not doing'- not guarding, not acting on fear, etc. Like @Rumors said 'to do'. @Pencil , someone said somewhere, it's important 'to just show up'. Gosh knows we overthink/ over-feel/ over-fear.

I love people! "I do show up." I am social. Problem is I see too many red flags. I can handle whatever life throws at me. That's not the problem. Why would I knowingly continue any relationship after seeing red flags?
 
BB is asking us to ignore red flags.




I love people! "I do show up." I am social. Problem is I see too many red flags. I can handle whatever life throws at me. That's not the problem. Why would I knowingly continue any relationship after seeing red flags?

Are red flags just really notice to set boundaries? If you have good boundaries then perhaps you can still let people and experiences in while being able to know what healthy boundaries are needed for yourself.

If I waited on only healthy people to have relationships with, I wouldn't have any friends. They all come with issues. It is my job to know MY boundaries and be able to let them know when they have crossed them OR back away before they are crossed. I don't have to partake in their unhealthy rituals but I still can enjoy them.

I don't know. Maybe I am looking at this all wrong. It is not easy to navigate relationships. I guess in my life, if I can enjoy an aspect of a relationship and do no harm, I feel ok. Mind you, I am not perfect and have boundary issues all of the time but I try and grow from them and not shut out the possibilities.
 
Hmmm. The material I have put together so far doesn't have anything much to do with the connection of shame and vulnerability. The topic of the discussion was Vulnerability... so that's pretty much what I did with some extra added bonus stuff that was helpful to me personally.[DOUBLEPOST=1399167736,1399167625][/DOUBLEPOST]Actually "Just do it" is the how, it is exercising the atrophied "risk being uncomfortable" muscle. My mantra here for the past three years has been the Niki slogan (before I dug into the Brown material) "Just do it."[DOUBLEPOST=1399168001][/DOUBLEPOST]"BB is asking us to ignore red flags."

No she's not. From what I started to prepare: “It takes work and practice,” she says. She argues becoming truly authentic and compassionate and connected doesn’t happen magically. “You have to get deliberate.” Deliberate. As in, not flaccidly expecting it to just happen, but, making it happen with focused techniques. Applied with fired-up focus. This means actively letting go of certainty.
Do you stall on decisions by asking everyone else around you their opinion? Brown deliberately notes when this happens. “It’s a red flag.” It means gripping at certainty. When this happens stop and deliberately sit in the “not knowing” a bit longer. A gut instinct will then always emerge.

Her green flag is discomfort. When she feels antsy she turns a ring on one of her fingers and reminds herself, “This is supposed to be uncomfortable…it means something is growing.” Sitting in discomfort also builds strength – a reservoir of resilience – for the truly tough times."[DOUBLEPOST=1399168233][/DOUBLEPOST]Okay so here's what I got on shame since the conversation has evolved to include it. I'm just going to cut and paste and if I want to I'll add some personal commentary later

Part 1: EMPOWERMENT is her bag. She talks a lot about life skills and HOW to live. “Knowing what I do now, I think about shame and worthiness in this way: 'It's the album, not the picture.' If you imagine opening up a photo album, and many of the pages are full eight-by-ten photos of shaming events, you'll close that album and walk away thinking, Shame defines that story. If, on the other hand, you open that album and see a few small photos of shame experiences, but each one is surrounded by pictures of worthiness, hope, struggle, resilience, courage, failure, success, and vulnerability, the shame experience are only a part of a larger story. They don't define the album.” ― Brené Brown

“…if I roughly took the people I interviewed and divided them into people who really have a sense of worthiness — that’s what this comes down to, a sense of worthiness — they have a strong sense of love and belonging — and folks who struggle for it, and folks who are always wondering if their good enough. There was only one variable that separated the people who have a strong sense of love and belonging and the people who really struggle for it. And that was, the people who have a strong sense of love and belonging believe they’re worthy of love and belonging. That’s it. They believe they’re worthy.”

Be daring, courageous, willing to be your authentic self committedly and (yes) be willing to be vulnerable.. “Show up. Be seen. Live brave.”

VULNERABILITY: “Courage is borne out of vulnerability, not strength. This is the finding of Brené Brown’s research on vulnerability, shame and "wholeheartedness". “We live in a vulnerable world, says social researcher Brené Brown. And what do we do in the face of this vulnerability? We numb it.

But Dr. Brown says we cannot selectively numb emotion. When we do, we anesthetize personal joy and gratitude and happiness. In today's society, we are masters of this numbing, but there are those out there who "lean" into their vulnerability and fragility. They are our teachers, the ones who can model a way forward to love wholeheartedly and see ourselves for who we are. World Domination Summit 2012 - Portland, OR The key, says Dr. Brown, is to acknowledge that we are "wired for struggle." Her solution: let ourselves be seen, deeply and vulnerably, by others; love others wholeheartedly even though there's no guarantee of reciprocation; practice gratitude and joy in those moments of terror; and believe we are enough.

"Vulnerability is our most accurate measurement of courage" Brené Brown says. “Vulnerability is not weakness, and the uncertainty, risk, and emotional exposure we face every day are not optional. Our only choice is a question of engagement. Our willingness to own and engage with our vulnerability determines the depth of our courage and the clarity of our purpose; the level to which we protect ourselves from being vulnerable is a measure of our fear and disconnection.”

Does this mean that practicing vulnerability is practicing courage? This then seems to lead to the "fact" that practicing vulnerability, risks the experience of shame/being shamed by others. Brené Brown, from my understanding, offers multiple suggestions:

1. Question our assumptions - e.g. Is vulnerability really a weakness or can it be seen as a strength?
2. Redefine one's perception of what constitutes failure and what constitutes success. "Entering the arena" is an act of success no matter what the critics "judge"
3. Be willing to step out of one's comfort zone
4. Develop & practice empathy
5. Shift ones perceptions about the price one pays for vulnerability. To see that there is more to gain (than to lose) from practicing vulnerability and confronting shame. There is greater suffering in staying small than in daring greatness
6. Confront the practices of "secrecy, silence, (and) judgment"
7. It would be great if people shared their metaphors for vulnerability and shame and how this can be changed. For example, flying under the radar can be turned around to "stepping into the arena"

SHAME:
Brene Brown’s Shame Resilience Theory - When discussing shame and behavioral health we are posed with the question of the chicken or the egg. Meaning, which came first the behavioral health issue or the shame? Does a behavioral health issue fuel individual experiences of shame? Or, does shame fuel the desire to act-out/cope with a compulsive behavior? The answer is probably both! In either case the goal is shame resiliency.

The grounded theory of Shame Resilience by Brene’ Brown consists of four elements. As Dr. Brown discusses, these elements are not necessarily linear but for the sake of format and easy discussion they will be presented in a linear way. Each step in the shame resilience model is placed on a continuum with dualities represented on each end of the continuum. Each part of the process is indispensable but does not necessarily happen in this order:
1. Recognizing Shame & Triggers
2. Practicing Critical Awareness
3. Reaching Out
4. Speaking Shame[DOUBLEPOST=1399168364][/DOUBLEPOST]Part 2

COMMITTING/COMMITMENT: Committing to everything I do. Even the small stuff, like deciding to eat lunch at 12.30, not 1.30. Or heading out the door for my morning run at 7 and not 9. Or whatever.

Because every time I commit, it builds up my deliberate muscle. Even if the decision might not be ideal, I’m practicing committing.


WHOLEHEARTED LIVING: Wholehearted living — a way of engaging with the world from a place of worthiness. “When we’re anxious, disconnected, vulnerable, alone, and feeling helpless, the booze and food and work and endless hours online feel like comfort, but in reality they’re only casting their long shadows over our lives.” ― Brené Brown

Brene Brown’s idea is wholehearted living – a style of living in which you are fully yourself in everything that you do, in a way that you feel worthy (of respect, of belonging etc.) Wholehearted living, which she defines as containing courage, compassion, deliberate boundaries, and connection. “Wholeheartedness. There are many tenets of Wholeheartedness, but at its very core is vulnerability and worthiness; facing uncertainty, exposure, and emotional risks, and knowing that I am enough.” “Those who feel lovable, who love, and who experience belonging simply believe they are worthy of love and belonging. I often say that Wholeheartedness is like the North Star: We never really arrive, but we certainly know if we're headed in the right direction.” ― Brené Brown

She has defined 10 guideposts for personal introspection, which involve cultivating some positive quality, whether it be authenticity, self-compassion, or a resilient spirit, intuition, meaningful work, or laughter: Cultivate and practice these:
  1. Cultivating Authenticity – letting go of what people think. This is an important concept for those with eating disorders as they often must let go of how they believe other people and/or society see them.
  2. Cultivating Self-Compassion – letting go of perfectionism. Research has clearly linked perfectionism with eating disorders. This chapter deals with changing the way you think of yourself, from a stance of self-criticism to one of self-compassion.
  3. Cultivating a Resilient Spirit – letting go of numbing and powerlessness. Donald Meichenbaum expounds on the cultivation of resilience as an important component for managing PTSD.
  4. Cultivating Gratitude and Joy – letting go of scarcity and fear of the dark. Changes the way we view the world and is/can be beneficial for depressive symptoms.
  5. Cultivating Intuition and Trusting Faith – letting go of the need of certainty. A reviewer, in the mental health field’s comments: “Faith So many people need or want to know if something will turn out well before they will change. I know many of my clients have had a hard time trusting the idea that recovery can work or that life without their eating disorder is a life they are interested in. Sometimes we have to take risks and let go of certainty.”
  6. Cultivating Creativity – letting go of comparison. Teaches how to reconnect with enjoyment and abandoning self-criticism or judgment.
  7. Cultivating Play and Rest – letting go of exhaustion as a status symbol and productivity as self-worth. How are you prioritizing your life? Do play and rest have an important place on your to-do list?
  8. Cultivating Calm and Still – letting go of anxiety as a lifestyle. We all need space in our lives for quiet reflection and meditation. This means actively letting go of anxiety rather than getting caught up in. What would your life be like if you weren’t anxious?
  9. Cultivating Meaningful Work – letting go of self-doubt and “supposed to”. , Brown does acknowledge the important of having meaningful work in our lives in order to gain self-worth. However, this is more about what you find meaning in, rather than what society or other people tell you to find meaning in.
  10. Cultivating Laughter, Song and Dance – letting go of being “cool” and always in control. Having fun with people we love builds relationships and lets us see each other when we aren’t always “in control.” Have you laughed today?
A selection of quotes from her material:
“Vulnerability sounds like truth and feels like courage. Truth and courage aren't always comfortable, but they're never weakness.” ― Brené Brown

“Because true belonging only happens when we present our authentic, imperfect selves to the world, our sense of belonging can never be greater than our level of self-acceptance.” ― Brené Brown

“Numb the dark and you numb the light.” ― Brené Brown

“The willingness to show up changes us, It makes us a little braver each time.” ― Brené Brown

“Worrying about scarcity is our culture's version of post-traumatic stress. It happens when we've been through too much, and rather than coming together to heal (which requires vulnerability) we're angry and scared and at each other's throats.” ― Brené Brown

“Vulnerability is not knowing victory or defeat, it’s understanding the necessity of both; it’s engaging. It’s being all in.” ― Brené Brown

“Nothing has transformed my life more than realizing that it’s a waste of time to evaluate my worthiness by weighing the reaction of the people in the stands.” ― Brené Brown

“For me, vulnerability led to anxiety, which led to shame, which led to disconnection, which led to Bud Light.” ― Brené Brown
 
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So you see, several key points and ideas from Brown's materials were in line or easily acceptable to me when I was looking for "HOW" to not just survive but begin to actualize a life that was generally satisfying, relatively self sustaining, resilient, and coming from a place of not just worth/worthiness but a place that contained within it many areas I could cultivate in myself or challenge or self explore with that would improve my life.

I sought to learn and employ a model for living that would work for me consistently. One that I could be personally responsible for and develop or expand rather than be doomed to replaying the abuse tapes, the trauma tapes, and the gloom and doom that kept me cycling back to anxiety, fear, paralysis, depression, or isolation.

Brene Brown material has been a loose model for me to override defective parenting and I needed to learn self parenting but didn't know how or where to start. Her material has been a general direction... like that "North star" in one of her quotes. It is a direction and an ambitious undertaking of self improvement.

It takes risk, it takes action, it takes work, it takes commitment, it takes being willing to be uncomfortable. It even takes being willing to trigger, lapse, or cue up a cycle. But I find her ideas very practical and rational.

I don't get all buggered up about writing styles. I get annoyed at about 75% of the "tone" of the books I've read. But I'll tell you what I don't do. I don't let my opinion get in the way of finding a beneficial lesson. I can tell you that I absolutely didn't like the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous but you know what? It saved my life.

Sure there may be others, but her material was timely for me. Her book on shame really struck a cord as well for me.

Further, to me it was just a few short steps from my recovery principles (AA) to her ideas. I could very easily grasp how to continue to seek and strive for an autonomous, resilient, self sustaining and self propelling way of living in as much as I am able. I've had progress.

Now I'll get off my soap box, I hope something helpful is there for all or some of you if not in entirety, then some part. Having shared, and doing what I said I was going to do.... press on and remember please, that in life there will be many uncomfortable moments. Vulnerability is the key to navigating these.

NOTE: This was just a rough draft (what I could put together today)... I wanted to tweek it into my own in the morning but oh well.
 
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@Hashi - As Brown has authored a good number of books on various topics applicable to this thread, I took the time to include the stuff that was pertinent to me personally. There is quite a lot of material. What about practical psychology and behavior can be straightforward?

This discussion isn't really even straightforward... it takes twists, turns, dips... because it is life. That's what her material is... it is her idea about living life.
 
Oh my, that is certainly inclusive @The Albatross , and much work, thank you.

I'm not sure if others have had the same experience, or sense it, or I am way off base, but I think the differences (or resistance) people may feel in response to BB is ptsd-related, or past trauma or abuse related?

For example, I wholly agree with the above. But for me, vulnerability 'crashed down' on to me. I believe I am (as a consequence or otherwise), open, authentic, compassionate, and connected to others. I share whatever detail of my own life if I feel it may help them, at 'risk' to myself. However, that being said, as privileged as I am to be included in to their lives, they actually are not part of mine. That is, as @Survivor2Thriver said, though it's sometimes good anyone accompanying me might get a free tour of Hotel Hell as well. But I think being authentic means just that- no untruth, or lack of authenticity. You don't 'try' to be authentic, you just choose to be. Like my dad used to say, "if you don't lie you have nothing to remember". You always know the answer to the question- just speak the truth. Be your truth and share and live authentic to what you feel and believe.

I don't think BB is saying to avoid red flags. But again some of the decisions or circumstances I have been in were because I pushed through the discomfort (I shouldn't have).

I've had lots of suffering and 'doing' to overcome stuff, but it never made me personally brave nor strong, if anything worn out. It just puts much in perspective, that's all.

Also, people who have not been loved nor treated as 'worthy' have a harder time knowing what that means let alone trying to believe or personally apply it.

Certainly not easy!

Good posts though Alby. :tup:
 
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Trauma or no trauma.... worthwhile and meaningful living and the way to attain resilience is to learn to risk from a solid personal place being vulnerable. Nobody is special, there are no exceptions. I'm probably going to get grief from saying that, but it is the way I see it. Period.[DOUBLEPOST=1399171233,1399171051][/DOUBLEPOST]Worthiness can be learned not being loved or treated as "worthy" doesn't have anything whatever to do with it. You want a decent quality life, you do what you need to do, learn what you need to learn, normalize or manage what you need to - to get it.
 
I would agree, @The Albatross. It is also like saying PTSD is worse than having Bi polar disorder, or your PTSD is worse than my PTSD. Grief, trauma, experience is just that. To minimize BB experiences because they don't come from the same place as mine feels disingenuine. You never know what you might learn by opening your heart and truly allowing experience to sink in. In essence, that very example is a vulnerability of its own!
 
Not Brene Brown, but astute and in line with what I'm trying to communicate:
"As you begin changing your thinking, start immediately to change your behavior. Begin to act the part of the person you would like to become. Take action on your behavior. Too many people want to feel, then take action. This never works." ~ John Maxwell
 
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