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Weird Professor

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I met this professor before he started teaching us at the cafe on campus where I used to work. We would have a small talk when I made him coffee. Eventually, I quit working there and started working as a barista in another cafe, not on campus. Once he saw me in one of the study rooms in the department where I was studying and he came in. This was the first time we met outside that cafe on campus. He said: " Since you stopped working at that cafe, I started making coffee by myself". At that time I didn't think what he said was weird and took it as a compliment. I thought he was very friendly.

We started his module. Once I got a very low score on a test and got very worried I went to him to ask how the questions should be done. He explained to me and after that, I asked him for a book with solutions. He later sent me an email with it. In the email, he said that I did the hard question correctly and that coffee can help me for better concentration. I agreed with that and after that he said. "I should not only teach you physics, but also coffee drinking" to which I didn't respond because I found it inappropriate. He emailed me 2 days later again speaking about coffee. I thought I am misinterpreting things and replied.
That professor and I would meet sometimes in the department and have a few words. He came maybe 2 more times in that study room, but only when I was alone, not when my friends were there. Things got weird again once in one of his workshops on a Friday. He came to me and said “ You are dressed like you are going to a party. Are you going out tonight?” I felt extremely uncomfortable. I said “Haha, yeah” and continue to do my work waiting for him to go somewhere else, which he did. I heard the 2 students behind be saying that was very inappropriate. I was very mad that day at him, but I thought again that I am misinterpreting things. The Monday after he came to me in that study room when my friends left and offered to make me a coffee his way (which he has told me before how he does it). I said “ok” and gave him my cup. He asked me to come to the teachers’ kitchen where students are usually not allowed and said that it’s ok since there is nobody there. We were having a small talk and eventually, he said: “ You look very different from Friday. With that dress, with that charming dress.” I got too uncomfortable after hearing this, but I was trying to remain calm and I said that I regret wearing this dress at uni. And then he asked me again: “ Did you go out that night?” I felt even more uncomfortable after this. I said a few more words so that I don’t leave things awkward and left.

Two days later I told the Undergraduate coordinator (we are friends) about this I was only seeking for advice, but she told me she can't keep this to herself. She and another member of the academic staff made a discussion with the professor and told him not to communicate with me. He is also not going to teach more - he is only going to do research. I didn't want to cause him so much trouble and I feel guilty for not telling him anything first by myself. It's been almost a month since this happened and I can't stop thinking about it. Every time a see coffee I think about him and what happened as he was encouraging me to drink it. It is hard as I work as a barista. Also, it is very hard to study for his modules and we have exams soon on them. Could you please help me to overcome this?
 
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Hi,

It is understandable that it has upset you.
As I read the last bit about him being removed from teaching, I thought that there may be more going on with this. It would be more usual that they would give the tutor a bot of a talk, tell them that they were crossing a few lines. I wonder if this is something the tutor has been found doing to others too.

At the end of the day he did cross boundaries and so no need for you to feel bad about him recieving consequenses to his actions, be proud that you have stood up for yourself in talking about it and holpefully stopped him inflicting this on others in the future.
 
Is it that you feel guilty for over reacting? Is that the reason you can't stop thinking about it? Some kind of "moral injury"?

Because I can't see the trauma in it. Even if he was interested in you, that happens, men are interested in women, you need to learn to actually have boundaries for someone to cross them, let them know you're not interesed, end of story.

He didn't cross any violating boundaries.

Talking about coffee and making conversation about going out does not constitute any kind of violating or boundary crossing. It's got nothing to do with trauma.The way I see it, he has slightly odd awkward social skills but not enough to warrant any concern.
 
Talking about coffee and making conversation about going out does not constitute any kind of violating or boundary crossing. It's got nothing to do with trauma.The way I see it, he has slightly odd awkward social skills but not enough to warrant any concern.
I disagree. I think boundaries were definitely crossed here. I don't think it's enough to cause PTSD obviously cos it doesn't meet CritA, but it's also sounds very inappropriate. And enough to trigger existing PTSD.

It actually doesn't really surprise me he was suspended from teaching, and I also don't think it falls on you (The OP), you stated facts, the fallout isn't on you. He knew what was appropriate and what wasn't. Yer fine.
 
Is it that you feel guilty for over reacting? Is that the reason you can't stop thinking about it? Some kind of "moral injury"?

Because I can't see the trauma in it. Even if he was interested in you, that happens, men are interested in women, you need to learn to actually have boundaries for someone to cross them, let them know you're not interesed, end of story.

He didn't cross any violating boundaries.

Talking about coffee and making conversation about going out does not constitute any kind of violating or boundary crossing. It's got nothing to do with trauma.The way I see it, he has slightly odd awkward social skills but not enough to warrant any concern.

He crossed many a professional and educational boundary.

Many/most/(all reputable?) schools have strict rules against professors fraternizing with students. It’s a major no-go.
 
They probably can't tell you if someone has made a complaint before you did, but it semes unlikely to me that they would jump right to no longer allowing him to teach based just on what you said here, even though I agree that his behavior was inappropriate. Your complaint may just have been the one that allowed them to finally take action against him.
 
I saw this yesterday and really wanted to reply but just wasn’t in the headspace for communicating with people much. But I was going to say what most people have said on here.

I don’t see anything that’s PTSD inducing, only triggering if you already have PTSD. However, I definitely think you did the right thing. They don’t knock someone out of teaching for one student just saying they are uncomfortable, you aren’t his first. You absolutely don’t need to feel guilty, you stated facts, he is the one who was acting. I do think he was entirely inappropriate and creepy.

You did the right thing ♥️. Have peace of mind that you maybe protected someone else who didn’t know or have the bravery to tell someone else.

Also, Mums says it’s just coffee and compliments (pretty much). But he knows he’s not supposed to mess with students, he knows he isolated you in an area you aren’t allowed, he knows he’s not supposed to comment on a students dress (especially in the creepy ass way he did). He’s fully aware what he was doing wasn’t okay. They give you enough sexual harassment videos and talks that 99% of working adults should know where the boundaries are and he was willfully crossing them hoping you would be flattered that some older “professor” is paying attention to you.
 
I conceed that I'm probably wrong in what I said. I thought he could've been some weird Aspie who just doesnt understand appropriate social protocols, but even given that, inviting.you somewhere where they're not supposed to be, is defs stepping over a line, and making coffee for a student IS weird and I regret my flown-off-the-handle response yesterday.

I agree, you did nothing wrong in mentioning it made you feel weird @Natasha, what the university did with it, is their call.
 
Sure there is a slim chance he could have Aspergers, but then more then just predatory boundaries would have been crossed. The school would have noticed pretty quick and been able to set boundaries for him and/or reassured her. They did a really drastic act over discomfort, that says he’s been around and they just needed one more statement.

Regardless of diagnosis people have a responsibility to do what they need to do to integrate into mainstream societal norms. You can’t use it as a crutch.

They likelihood of him having autism in any form and/or just generally socially inept I would put at maybe 2% and leave the other 98% as him assuming she’d be easy and naive.
 
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