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LOL well, maybe he's not the right counselor for him! Maybe look into seeing a counselor who specialized in PTSD? Start with the VA and then get a name or referral outside since I don't believe you can be seen until your husband is processed into the VA for counseling. When he got out of the military they should have put him in the system. There are AWESOME PTSD clinics for veterans through the VA. Let me do some digging - I think there should be a hotline number. At least maybe they can point you in the right direction for him.

I know that being away from him is hard even though you know you are doing the right thing. Big hugs!
 
Sadly this is our/his four therapist. First was private, for depression, then came the VA - which triggered him so badly I can barely even say "VA" without him hitting the roof, then came a specialist in PTSD, but she had focused on Vietnam Vets, so when she asked my H if he had anything he felt guilty about in the war he got pissed at her and stopped seeing her, now we are on to our first "marital counselor". I tried the VA hotline, and was going to try the VA Coaching into Care hotline but have been too crazed to catch up with them.

I don't know, I just called him and left him a voicemail to call me, email me or text me if he could agree to a joint session next monday. He didn't contact me after reading my letter, so, its not looking good.
 
. He didn't contact me after reading my letter, so, its not looking good.

Um, not that I know anything him, but MY husband doesn't open mail when he is bad. And he doesn't read stuff. Particularly if it is on paper because the stress makes his eyes go bad and he loses his glasses. At one point he didn't open any mail (bit of a story here about how this happened but never mind for now) for about six weeks. Inertia is a powerful force. Given that it is "Letter" in the "We Have To Talk" category - there is a pretty fair chance that he hasn't even glanced at the contents. Maybe no news is good news.

Sorry you've been having bad luck with therapists - hang in and keep at it!
 
I have run around in circles blaming my husband's abusive actions on his PTSD. I finally stopped being his Mommy and I started calling him out on what he was doing. His first reaction was explosive.

But I learned more and more to practically narrate the reality of the situation as it was happening. I'd tell him to get his hands away from my face, to stop trapping me in the doorway, I'd ask him if he thought it was right to try to intimidate me. I didn't believe it would work until I tried it, but when you tell them the truth about what they are doing, instead of trying to protect them, they get embarassed. And he should.

Why should you protect him from what he's doing? Who's gonna protect you? Not him!

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One of my mantra's is "just be factual." No accusations. No "tone" (HA! but sometimes I succeed) just "You believe I am arguing with you." It doesn't resolve episodes, but it does tend to de-escalate them.
 
Ugh, After not hearing anything since Sunday, last evening I sent two texts, one asking to see if he would let me schedule a joint session, and the other saying I missed him and loved him and hoped that he had a good night at work, I tried to call a few times, but got no answer so, I left him a voice mail too.

Today, I sent him a text saying I had 2 non-relationship things to discuss and that I would be calling in a few minutes, unless he had a better time.

I called, and on the second try he answered. I could tell he was sleeping (it was 1pm), which is understandable b/c he works nights, but, still a little late b/c he usually goes to bed around 3am. (so that would be ten hours, but that's assuming he slept at all)

I said hey, I have two things to talk about, the first is that there is a new job opening out of state, and I wanted your authorization to submit an inquiry. He said that wasn't important to him right now, but thank you for thinking of him. Job dissatisfaction and "feeling trapped in X" (our city) is a huge problem, so, I thought this would help.

Then when I brought up the second issue, which is shared finances, he got defensive. He said well, why don't you just hang on on that, you know, because I wanted to do this that and the other thing, and we have to talk about that. I said, ok, sure, when?

Enter anger - stage right: he snapped, "You know, I know you said that dr. x said it would be a good idea to keep calling me but ITS REALLY NOT HELPING, OK?" I was just quiet for a while and just said, well ok, just let me know when you are available and we can talk later.

Sigh, just what I want to deal with when I am just trying to figure out what the hell I am supposed to do, I am sorry that he is frozen, but the rest of the world isn't. There are financial decisions that simply have to be made.

The only time he addresses anything is if I am physically present. Otherwise, he just slinks in to a freaking hole and ignores everything.

I feel like giving up.
 
So after he yelled, he called my parent's house phone at 10:30 at night, asking if he could use my checking account to buy a sandwich. Apparently, he had overdrawn his (which I could hear him ramping up while talking about it).

I was super nice, and said of course, go ahead, and take out cash if you need to. He said we needed to figure out finances, so I said ok, well would you like to meet Sunday? He got sort of shifty and then said well we can do it via email. I said, well, if you like, but I have to get stuff from the house on Sunday anyways, he only replied, "We'll see."

I had a phone conference with my mother's specialist, it wasn't good. She has a degenerative brain disease, and the doctor feels that hers is the worse of the two variants of her disease. This means she only has a few years.

I sent him a text saying that late last night. Radio silence.

I am extremely worried about him, and I am considering moving back in w/out asking permission.

When suffering from PTSD, I know an individual will often isolate him or herself when they are in full stage. They don't read, call or otherwise communicate. The only way that I have been able to get through over the past two weeks is when I am physically present. This renders him incapable of avoidance, because I am standing there in front of him. This includes the "you are an alcoholic" counseling session, and the second instance, where I showed up at the house to get a second suitcase, we talked for an hour, etc. He was calm, didn't read the letter, but he at least he spoke to me.

However, I'm not an idiot. I know that that volatility could (and has) come in my direction from time to time. All of my girlfriends are scared and nixing the plan, but they tend to not understand PTSD.

As someone who has been where I am at before, has anyone ever done that? Would you think am I crazy for considering this?

I am getting more and more depressed by the day, I don't think I can make it to much longer unless I get a break.
 
My husband and I have been through crazy separations before during our nearly 3 years of marriage together. I felt like I had tried everything. We are together now. He's practicing Christianity now, and he no longer gets high. That helps him to have a clearer mind. But he still has his problems. In the past month he has lost control and gotten violent a few times. Not to mention the times he's been verbally abusive and tried to intimidate me. I just reached a point that I realized that just because my husband has problems, it doesn't mean he doesn't have the same responsabilities and consequenses as everybody else. If one violent act of his took my life, physical laws would not undo themselves just because my husband is challenged by his PTSD. I would still be dead.

I used to play into all his aweful behaviors and cater to my husband. I would leave the house so he could have his space, hoping I would return to find a husband who no longer chose indulging his selfish impulses towards violence or cruel words over protecting and loving his wife. I stayed with family twice. I tried taking the blame. It made me feel like I could fix everything if I took the responsability.

But communicating the real truth is all that has ever helped. I have to say what I really mean. And think about how he's understanding the situation so I can make myself understood as well. I had to say the hard things that I knew he wouldn't like to hear, but that deserved to be said because I am part of the relationship, too, and what I perceive is just as important as what he perceives.

I was reading what you posted above about how your husband yelled that you calling him wasn't helping. I would think he should have been told, "well, sorry if there's something I'm doing that you don't like, but I'm not purposely trying to offend you. I love you, I'm your wife, I wouldn't do that. And it hurts me when you yell at me suddenly, I don't yell at you, that's unhealthy." None of this spoken in a sarcastic or smarty pants way, but in all honesty. I used to protect my husband from ALL my honesty. But our communication never improved until I let the truth out.

God bless you, I hope you guys move forwards out of this tough place in your marriage.
 
PW
Okay, girlfriend, here's the kicker . . . Soldier Up!!! ;) Noone is in control of you but You!
PW

ParanoidsWife, I LOVE how you put things! You're so awesome!!!!
I also liked how you described that, cloud of outbursts. It's true, it's depressing to just endure.
 
If one violent act of his took my life, physical laws would not undo themselves just because my husband is challenged by his PTSD. I would still be dead.

But communicating the real truth is all that has ever helped. I have to say what I really mean. And think about how he's understanding the situation so I can make myself understood as well. I had to say the hard things that I knew he wouldn't like to hear, but that deserved to be said because I am part of the relationship, too, and what I perceive is just as important as what he perceives.
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Courage2Heart I couldn't agree more. I forgave for far too long. Because my husband dissociates when he is in an episode, he doesn't remember what he does. So the ONLY way for him to know he was abusive is for me to tell him. The tricky part for me was sorting through the whole "this is abuse" issue. Is it abuse if it is involuntary? Answer: Yes. You can be abused without someone "meaning" to abuse you. That does not imply that it is ok, or that you should sign up for more, or that you can't resist/refuse the abuse. PTSD is HARD and it has to be worth it for the sufferer to go through what it takes to get better.

This is a guess now Watkinsgirl: Given that you've said he wants a divorce and you don't, given that you've moved out and he's still there, given that he's out of money and turning to you for help (albeit indirectly) I'm thinking he is not totally clued into the reality of the situation. One of the things that is true of my husband is that when he is bad, no new information penetrates the matrix. My guess is he doesn't really "get" that your mom is sick. He won't and he can't until you get strong and stay present for YOU and him. I wonder how he would respond if you went over and instead of "being nice" like a "loving wife" you sat down and had a business meeting with an impaired client? Maybe that's what you meant before. What I have in mind is much the same as what Courage2Heart said (I think!). I find I have to switch into a kind of third person advocacy for myself. Example: the other day my daughter was carrying around my cell phone in the waistband of her shorts and he told her she couldn't do that - she said I had said she could (crying) and he said "well you don't have any common sense and if she said you could then she doesn't have any common sense either." DING DING DING - alarm went off for me - now he is bad-mouthing me to our child and That Can't Be. So I said in command voice "EXCUSE ME?" Went outside brought him him and asked "So the rules have changed? It is now ok to criticize each other to the child? To contradict the other one's instructions/permission? Is that what you have in mind? I want to be clear so I know how to behave and what to expect. I will be very surprised if you would want to do this." All this in an impressively neutral tone of voice. He backed off. Even still in the episode. My point here is that I wasn't "Nice". I was factual and precise and solid in my position.

I don't know if this is helpful - I hope you are ok, and I wish both of you well...
 
Update-
Sorry that I have been absent from the forum for some time, I feel I should probably move this conversation to the relationships forum, but didn't want to lose touch with all of those who have been so helpful in their comments.

On 12/3/2011, I was told that I it wasn't working out at my firm (long story/employment discrimination). They are familiar with my mother's diagnoses, my husband's issues and my heart condition. So now I have one more thing to be thankful for. (Seriously, this is getting a little silly).
Thereafter, my H was sort of supportive (which was easy, because it involved him being angry and yelling). I then asked him if we were taking a therapeutic break, he responded I don't want to assign labels at this point. I said well that's ok, I understand. I want you to stay with me because it makes you feel happy, and because you want to. Not because you feel too bad to end the relationship or feel as though you can't leave. I said I want you to know that I am not a suicide risk, and that if I don't have a job and I don't have a husband that I will still be ok. Maybe that will be ok where I am, out of state or out of the country. I stated that I really needed to come and get the bed from the guest room b/c I was very uncomfortable at my parent's place (twin bed from H.s.) and that I would really appreciate him letting me borrow his truck te transport it the 20min to the house and back, or if he wasn't comfortable with me driving his car, I asked if he could help because the 2 people I knew with trucks were unavailable. He said ok, and that we would talk tomorrow.

The following day, when I texted him to see if I could come over, he called immediately and said that I wasn’t allowed to take “his” bed, that he wasn’t going to “…help his wife move out of the house b/c that was fuc$%ed up.” He stated my comments from the previous day upset him, made him very angry and that he couldn’t sleep. He said it I can’t move and leave him trapped in n.e. anystate (where we live). “This is a two income house… we are going to lose he fuc$%ing house, WatkinsGirl.” he yelled. I slumped down on the floor on the phone and cried as he continued, and then just said I was sorry, not to worry, etc. I said we could sell the house, that I know how to execute a compromise sale, and he then yelled that he doesn’t want a listing agent.

I didn’t really talk too much to him, I asked him for some money for medical bills and that ticked him off, although I willingly gave him the money for the mortgage and half of the utilities each month for a home I haven’t lived in since 11/18.

On 12/24 I called him to tell him I had gifts for his family and that I would bring them over to our house before he left. He said ok, and how long would it be until I got there. I said about 20 minutes. He said well, oh, I didn’t want to be here when you were there. I said its ok, don’t worry I am not coming over to talk, just to grab something and to drop off the gifts. I got there, showed him everything, he said to set it on the back porch because he had to very carefully load the car. I told him what each gift was so he would know and told him I got him a present to. HE said ok, we kept loading up the cars. He was ready to head out and then I said oh, didn’t you want to open your gift? Its nothing sentimental just something small and right up your alley. He said, no, not now. He said I didn’t get you anything. I said that’s completely ok, I don’t care, I just wanted to give you this little treat. He said no, things are really “fuc#$ed up right now” and that I could be “mad at him or whatever” but that he wasn’t opening it. I said ok, I understand. I went to get one more thing for my car, to load it. He then said ok, I have to go. I said, oh, you left the things I got for your parents and sister on the back porch, did you want me to help you load them? He said no. I said oh, did you need a Tupperware bin so they could ride in the back of the truck? He said no, I’m not taking them. I just said oh, he pulled out and I just sat on the ground and didn’t really move for about 20 minutes.

12/25 – I texted him Merry Christmas and I love you very much. No response.

I didn’t really talk to him again until I texted on 12/29 to pick up the crock pot a for my new year’s trip with my friends. He said he had been using it to cook, and that it was dirty and I couldn’t get it. I said ok, sorry to interrupt. I went to the house, he had opened his gift, but his parents were all still sitting in the middle of the floor.

1/1/12- I texted Happy New Years, I wish you a year filled with peacefulness and joy. I love you very much, no matter what. Happy New Years! No response.

What I don’t understand is that when I feel as though I am complying with his (unfair) demands, he still gets angry and then calls me his wife. When I act like his wife, or try to inquire as to his feelings or where he sees this going, he says that he doesn’t know and that “…things are really fuc#$ed up right now.”
Well, I have to say that at this time, frankly, he is the one making things fuc&*ed up. Not me. I have tried and tried.

He said he wanted to talk after the holidays. I set up an appointment with our local Vet Center (different from the VA, and completely free of charge and confidential) with a marriage/combat PTSD specialist. I am going to ask him to attend with me, on his day off. 1/9/12. I hope that he comes, I can’t be put in marital purgatory forever. At a certain point I have to start moving forward.

Eleanor, I think that your tactic would at least be helpful to me to try for now, so I will. I have tried to distance myself from him, emotionally. However, it makes me very sad that he has become someone who I don't even recognize.

Anyone have any thoughts/advice?
 
Watkinsgirl - you are one tough cookie. It takes a HUGE amount of energy and self control to be as nice an accommodating as you have been. It is all totally and completely unfair. And it is not working. It sounds to me like he is stuck stuck stuck. He may want to get better and save the marriage at deep down (he didn't let you take the bed. Didn't want you to take the crock pot.) BUT he is not getting himself any help. If he doesn't show on 1/9... it seems like a good time to change tactics. Start the negotiation -and know what you want (him to get better and you two to reconcile) and what it will take from him to get you there. He has to be party to the negotiation tho - if he won't deal, you'll have to walk.:(. You will have to be stronger for yourself, and, truth be told, for him too. It may be that the only thing that will push him to get better is losing you. Or even that may not do it. I don't know. It sure seems like accommodating is not helping.

It is beyond sad. It is well into the realm of tragic - for both of you.:(
Wishing you both Well....
 
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