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Sexual Assault How To Tell If A Man You Know Could Rape You.

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Disclaimers: I am a man but I am not anti-male. I am, however, 100% anti-rape...in all circumstances. I...
By golly you should become a public speaker. Your post is very correct, it is about control only and I am forced to work in an environment with such men every day. They do not value female opinions, they generally expect that they are right, well and so on and so on.

I can add a couple of threads to that too:
if a man enjoys to scare you
if a man approaches you from behind suddenly and enjoys it
if a man approaches and speaks loudly to you attempting to startle you
if a man elevates his opinion over yours
if a man suddenly appears and then acts aloof as if you do not mean anything even though he placed himself right in front of you

yep, there are many many signs
 
Why is it inappropriate?

Sigh! :rolleyes::banghead:

Because it implies that rape victims are at fault because if they had behaved differently they would not have been raped.

@NoWhereKnowWhere - has provided links to writers who have articulated it so much better than I can.

@void - I know you are a genuine member here but if I hadn't seen you before I would be thinking this was a troll post. Seriously, can you not see how messed up your thinking is here? It is NOT and never will be a woman's responsibility to somehow "protect herself from rapists". The fact that you can't see that shows how prevalent rape culture is.
 
I don't think that having conversations about how to avoid being raped are wrong.

Yes, I am a female.

I think those that are upset about this concept should dig deep into that CBT concept of black/ white-----all/nothing thinking.

BOTH can exist.

Both MUST exist!

Why?

The world will never be 100% safe.

Saying that it's all about putting the burden on rapists/abusers is not a good idea. (My true thoughts are a lot more harsh but in light of not wanting to be lambasted I'll water it down.)

Why can't it be------

A) Rapists/abusers will ALWAYS be in the wrong.

However, given that we can't ever stop them all-------

B) We must take steps to ensure that we stay as safe as possible.

I think the rhetoric about it ALL being about changing rapists/abusers is incredibly naive and I'm a bit disgusted at how people are being brainwashed by certain facets of feminism. (Equal rights feminism = good; playing the victim/shirking all responsibility feminism = bad. IMHO)

How many times have I seen here on the forum people saying you can't change the world, you can only change yourself? Why does this concept not apply to keeping ourselves safe when it comes to rape/sexual abuse? I can't change every rapist, I can only take precautions to keep myself safe.

When I go to a party I can't vet every male for "safety" so perhaps it's not a good idea to get black out drunk and pass out on the floor. I much rather take a few precautions as opposed to standing on my principles ("I can do whatever I want because it's my right; if I'm victimized I'll just fall back on playing the victim and won't face up to the fact that getting shit faced wasn't really in my best interest")-------which would put me in the path of danger.

If you want to cling to the idea that it's up to the rest of the world to keep you safe, well-----I really don't think that's the ideal way to go.

Feel free to blast me on this one----I won't change my mind. I honestly believe that my approach is well thought out and balanced.
 
I agree with you @EveHarrington - both messages do need to exist, because there will always be people who don't yet know that the world is a dangerous place.

My point is simply that the messages are out of balance, and any 'how to be safe' is bettered by being joined with 'how to not rape'. If nothing else, it reminds us that even though we try our best to be smart and safe...we are only 50% of the equation. The rapist is the other 50%, and they are responsible for their actions - a long winded way to say, rape isn't the victims fault.
 
I don't think anyone should blast you @EveHarrington.

I'm guessing you and I are not so far apart on this issue as it might seem so here goes...

In theory I should be able to be walk down the middle of Kings Cross at 2am on a Saturday morning, butt naked and blind drunk and no-one should touch me. No matter how sexy I am. Or how much I appear to be "asking for it".

In practice I would never even go to Kings Cross after dark. Does that mean I won't ever be raped? Sadly no.

Your approach (ie: don't pass out on the floor at parties) is pragmatic. However, it is massively problematic insofar as where does it end? Do you say, well don't drink at all because your drink might be spiked? Or perhaps don't go to parties at all? In fact, don't go anywhere.

The steps all women take, often without realising it, like getting home before dark, having someone collect you from the train station, parking in a well lit area, walking to your car with your keys in your hand, not talking on a mobile phone while walking alone etc etc are illustrative of rape culture and women's lack of "space" in the world.

Look at the way rape is portrayed in the media compared with assault. When a young man is hit from behind and killed in an unprovoked attack when out with his friends clubbing no-one says "He shouldn't have been there at that time of night." or "He shouldn't have been drinking." or "He shouldn't have been wearing that shirt.". You could just as easily say of him getting drunk and going out to clubs was putting him in the path of danger.

I'm not telling women they shouldn't be careful. I'm just saying that even when you're careful you cannot control the actions of other people.

And this post is not a list of tips to "keep yourself safe" like those I listed above. This post is a list of supposed characteristics shared by rapists. If only it were that simple. As someone else posted rapists are also fathers, sons, brothers, husbands, co-workers, neighbours, sportmen etc etc.
 
It's not that we shouldn't stay safe and absolutely we need to be realistic about it. BUT if even half of the energy put into telling women how to be and behave in order not to get raped was turned around and we taught young boys and men to respect women and girls then I think that would actually have a positive outcome.

I saw a tweet that said

To avoid rape dress modestly, to avoid theft, own nothing. To avoid murder, die right now.

The person who raped me wasn't some stranger in basement parking with a trench coat. He was someone I knew and had known for a lot of years someone my age, who posed no threat to me that I knew of. I'd spent a lot of time with this person and he never gave me reason to believe I was in any danger with him. I used to hang out with his ex girl friend they parted on good terms.

Should I have gotten drunk at 16 at a party? (something I had done many times before in the same company I was with it was by no means a big party I knew everyone there very well) no I absolutely shouldn't have. Should he have followed me into a bed room where I went to sleep it off and raped me? No he f*cking shouldn't have. In this scenario if I wasn't so stupid and did not to take my personal safety for granted and that we just don't know who is and is not capable of rape I might've been spared this experience. But if he didn't f*cking rape me that would've help too.
 
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I've known Jeff for 20years he's a great guy and there's no way he'
This is a really important point, it's often someone who people would never ever ever have believed them to be capable of doing it - who will do it. They're often incredibly charming, polite, etc. and then the complete opposite with you alone, behind closed doors. Sometimes I've been able to see through such people, but only because my mother who sexually abused me when I was a young girl - has very similar characteristics - characteristics of a psychopath actually. And they can be unbelievably fooling, they're experts in manipulation and fooling people into thinking they're decent. There's often a sort of sense of what I would call "falseness" though, of some feeling that isn't quite right, superficiality, some people can pick up on it, others can't.

I think it's a shame there's no way of having a list that we can refer to. But I think that some of the points Void has made on his list are valid.
 
I'd have to agree with others, none of these characteristics were present in my rapist. Absolutely none. I find this list very misleading. You make it seem as if every rape can be predicted and every rapist identified right off the bat-- that is rarely if ever the case. I know you had good intentions, but this list oversimplifies a complex issue. It seems like what you are describing is an abuser, not a rapist. In my experience, a rapist can come off as completely respectful, passive, and even timid. Mine certainly was, and I know it was the same for friends of mine who were raped.
 
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