What Are The Consequences Of Admitting You Are Suicidal?

[Nicolette]

Hi 2quilt. I can't offer any advice but I am thinking of you and am sorry you are going through this. :Hug_emoticon:

 

[fin]

2Quilt I am so very sorry to read that you are feeling this way. I would like to encourage you to not only speak with your psychs but also I would very much encourage you to talk this out of you get to the point of serious desperation with a crsis line. We have the Samaritans here in the UK I don't know if you have them where you are but the point I am trying ot make is that sometimes we maybe just very much need someone to talk it out with. Someone that perhaps has no connection to us what so ever, that person on any of the at risk lines will be trained in just listening and talking with you. It doesnt have to be all or nothing and sometimes the fear of reprisals stops us speaking about our true feelings and if you are worrying about being sectioned (as it is called here on different levels) well my advice would be to communicate this all and it get out of you. Sometimes it is all we need to just really and totally get it all out, and reagrdless it will not hurt you more than suicide to speak to a professional.

I was hospitalised years ago for an overdose, this was years ago now, I have no suicide ideation now I would like to say. I was only kept in until they had brought me back and stabilised me physically and then only for another day or so after maybe 2, because I was physically a mess. I have no recollection of the time or how long because I was brought in dying and my body after was black with bruises from resus etc. NOw since then I have had a couple of things happen but I have found generally here unless you are wildly out of control or desperatly depressed, truely desperately desperatly depressed then the mental health teams do not work like that any longer.

The are I live in they try to keep you at home, it is more condusive in some ways to not raise anxiety further but then again I was monitored at the time, by throughly pissed off nurses. I would not advocate thoughts of suicide and really to be honest if you are worried about your trip this will impact your stress and depression I would think perhaps also. I wish you ever happiness and I hope you have a good flight and break.

It does get better 2quilt, the more we work on this the better at managing we become. You can and will begin to feel better, it will pass again this place you feel you are at. I really hope that something that has been said here by all of us can in some way comfort and reassure you 2quilt. Take care please and talk it out as well ~

 

[fin]

2quilt I want to say please talk to someone trained your psych, if they know how bad you are feeling they can give you more support I would hope, please know you are not alone and it is difficult. I didnt say before but I lost friends that I told and it is a great burden for a friend to know you havefelt that way, some may not like it at all they may not understand at all. They may or may not react as badly as that or they may be worse, one friend felt hat I was wasting everyone's time if I wanted to die so badly then I shoould be left to it (and she had experience of this herself too!!!) my point again whci I dont know if i am making well or not, another friend of mine took me back to her parents home in the country after I was discharged and it was the best therapy at that tme for me, I struggled to fit in and was very awkward because I had never been around a family like hers before, they all seemed to love each other so much, but they were there for just a short while and understood my need for recovery and were just very amazing to me.

The warmth we can sometimes find doesnt always come from where we expect it to~ l[pease again take care and have a good trip, and please tell someone how you are feeling this is their job there is no shame in admitting how bad it is. ~

 

[anthony]

It is quite acceptable to admit your having suicidal thoughts... quite normal for PTSD. Lets be honest here... if you have them, you recognise them, but are clearly not going to act upon them and know this, can tell your physicians this, then I see no reason why they would admit you. This is a safe type of suicide if you like, it is why they call it suicidal ideation... you want to die, but you know you're not going to do it. It typically means you want help, you need to talk something out, you need medication maybe... but locking you up does no good unless you are actually saying you are going to kill yourself, which is a scream for them to lock you up. I believe it is simply being honest with yourself, with your physician, and not allowing them to articulate your thoughts, instead you articulate your thoughts correctly to them so they can make a more informed decision, instead of them leading you with questions to gain the answer in order to admit you. You may need it, you may not... you know if you need it or not, just be honest with yourself and physicians.

 

[fin]

it is why they call it suicidal ideation... you want to die, but you know you're not going to do it. It typically means you want help, you need to talk something out, you need medication maybe... but locking you up does no good unless you are actually saying you are going to kill yourself, which is a scream for them to lock you up.

Thankyou for this Anthony I think I was mistaken then in what I said before I must not have understood properly what the term meant I think. Thankyou again for sharing this knowledge ~

 

[Manic11]

She was able to use the bathroom and shower as needed (however, if she wanted to shave - the nurses would give her a razor and stand outside the bathroom door with it cracked) but she never felt that her privacy was invaded.

I just have a question out of curiousity...if you don't mind..
What were to happen if you were to be shaving and you accidently cut yourself from shaving?

Manic

 

[Surviving]

I've never been an inpatient and I have told both my therapist and my psychiatrist about suicidal thoughts. The very fact that you have plans to go on trips says that you are not actually going to do it. I do understand that b/c I have had some serious urges to do it but knew deep inside that it wasn't what I really wanted. Also, depending on how long you've been on that medication and if it's working for you, antidepressants can make some people more suicidal in the first few weeks. Talk to your doctor about it but make it clear that they are just thoughts. They may ask you if you have a plan to do it and other questions to determine if you are at immediate risk. That is the only reason they would "commit" you.

It doesn't sound like you have a plan or that you really want to do it, but the thoughts are upsetting you. Telling your doctors will help because they can help you cope with these thoughts and alter your medication if need be. When I told my therapist, she asked me some questions about the thoughts. After that she asked if I reached out for help and I did. I phoned a friend that I trusted and he helped me thru the worst moment of it.

She said to always make sure to reach out to someone, anyone. Even a suicide hotline if need be. Because, they start as thoughts, but without some human contact - like a flash of reality - they CAN progress and get the best of you. Always reach out when you are at your breaking point or even before you get there. And that means telling someone why you are calling, not just having a plain conversation. That can make you feel "unheard" or "uncared" for. The person on the other end needs to know that you need support.

I hope this helps you feel more confident. Not all doctors are good ones but if you trust yours then you should be honest in order to get the most out of treatment.

God Bless.

 

[Tinyflame]

I'm sorry, I've got to say, if someone was watching me shower and shave, I'd feel like my privacy was invaded.

And for me, no belts, ties etc, -couldn't keep my pants up.

I realize the purpose, but I think the means to the end could stand improvement. Just my thought, however.

I agree with Anthony, articulating yourself to your care providers and being completely honest is critical.

 

[SunnyBrookFarm]

Manic -

That's a great question and honestly I don't know the answer - I think it's to help prevent you from doing something intentionally.

Junebug -

They didn't actually watch her shower and shave - they just stand outside the door (I honestly think it's more to make sure all the supplies return to the locked area of the nurses station and to discourage you from trying anything).

 

[clare]

hi 2quilt,

I hope you're doing better, but if not I wanted to add that some investigation into the facility you'd likely be sent to may help ease your fears. I don't think there's any reason not to research their services, policies, procedures and rules. All too often I have been intimidated by the mental health system-remember safety first, but compassion and respect are also important in order to avoid secoundary wounding. Don't give up!

Take care,

clare

 

[vietnam2nd]

when i admit i am susidal the va puts me on a lock ward in knoxville va hospital. they are closing knoville iowa va. the mental health hospital will be in desmoines also. i get the help i need and after a fell days they put me on and open ward. where their are all kinds of things i can do. i am not afraid to admitt i am sucidal when i have a plan how to carry it out. its all right to think about sucide. it isn't ok when we have a plan to do it we than need help.

 

[2quilt]

Thanks immensely to everyone who commented here. I am feeling better; the local library system had an enormous book sale this weekend and I bought 30 pounds of books, I went to several thrift shops and found brand new clothes with the tags still on them for a small fraction of the original cost, and I ate good food with my close friends. I am feeling better today. Went yard saleing, just had a blast. I think this is called "retail therapy" and I just get all happy when I find a bargain. Now I just hope that the airline doesn't charge me for carrying all this stuff home.

I am not 100% well yet, but day by day I am feeling less sad. Yeah, antidepressants aren't perfect, are they?

Thank you all for telling me your thoughts on this; I am uneducated about the rules on admitting feelings of suicide. What I did do was preface my admittion of suicidal feelings by telling my psychologist that I was speaking hypothetically. I said, "What would happen if I were to tell you that I wanted to die? What would you do? At what point would you call the cops or hospitalize me against my will?"

Being forced into a hospital ward against my will would hurt that trust factor we have worked so hard to build.

I am pleased to report that today I do feel better than yesterday. I thank you all so much for your concern and encouragement. You all mean alot to me!