Is the human species greedy, negative, ignorant, violent and destroying the planet?

[Deleted member 47099]

Do you always feel like that?

Umm yeah.
I try not to focus on it, cos what's the point?
I try to just get on with stuff and do as much good as possible and as little harm as possible.
But yeah, underneath that I have always felt that way about me and everyone else. :meh:

 

[TTC18]

Umm yeah.
I try not to focus on it, cos what's the point?
I try to just get on with stuff and do as much good as possible and as little harm as possible.
But yeah, underneath that I have always felt that way about me and everyone else. :meh:

I wonder if you feel that way about yourself because you feel that way about everyone else... or if you feel that way about everyone else because you feel that way about yourself.
:hug: I'm sorry you feel that way in any case. :hug:

 

[Abstract]

You wouldn't punish or hate the monkey though would you? And your emotions are likely to be tainted by trauma. Everything is in the end. Compassion for imperfection and acceptance of that. And making an effort counts.

 

[Deleted member 47099]

Yeah. I can see us as a confused, rather stupid monkey who is trying its best but keeps mucking everything up :laugh:
And who has accidentally acquired enough power to destroy a whole planet - whether using nuclear bombs or just covering everything in endless layers of plastic and rubbish... :facepalm:
Very stupid monkey.
Not ill intentioned.
Just absolutely not fit to be in charge of the planet and to wield the kind of power that we unfortunately do wield.
A monkey running Chernobyl.
Poor silly monkey :meh:

Actually, thanks for this line of thought @Abstract ...

I think this matters to me. I think this is how I see it, now as an adult.

When I was a kid, I assumed grown ups knew what they were doing. I didn't realise they were confused, stupid monkeys doing their best and getting it all hopelessly wrong... So I think as a kid I assumed they had more power and choices and knowledge than they actually did?

I think as a kid that made me think more along the lines of "they are evil and broken" rather than "they are daft and fools".

Not sure I'm particularly "yay" about belonging to a species of confused, muddled, overwhelmed monkeys behaving like a bull in a china shop... but it is kinda less depressing than being part of a humanity-is-evil-and-broken species...

So, thanks :) :hug:

 

[Teasel]

Clever mind (human grey matter) can do maths and physics and create plastics to make life easier for 60's / 70's housewives and create economic systems but misses the point of looking after the hand that feeds us - the planet.

 

[Abstract]

You are very welcome. ?

 

[Deleted member 47099]

Clever mind (human grey matter) can do maths and physics and create plastics to make life easier for 60's / 70's housewives and create economic systems but misses the point of looking after the hand that feeds us - the planet.

Yeah :hug:

 

[Deleted member 47099]

I think growing up in trauma as a kid, this was part of my reaction to it. I guess my anger about being subjected to trauma and abuse, seeing other kids subjected to trauma and abuse, seeing animals, nature, other people subjected to trauma and suffering... I guess as a kid my anger about all that got channelled into disgust about all of that.

Which is pretty understandable, cos where are you meant to put all the anger during childhood trauma and abuse?

I think the problem is that it left me with that disgusted feeling of "I don't want to be a part of this species or this society".

And I think every kid has a basic need to belong and to "be a part of" and "be a contributing member" of society.

But I would stare at humanity and society thinking "OMG I do not want to belong to or contribute to *that*"

And it's kind of become an automatic thought/ feeling.

It's a large part of why I've moved to a farm in the middle of nowhere.

I don't *like* humans.

But I know that it's somehow a trauma-reaction and somehow unhealthy to not feel like part of your own species or to not want to be a part of your own society.

I guess this is where I channel all my anger from childhood trauma.

Hating the human species for the atrocious things it does.

Well, lots of work to do on this.

Sitting with the anger...

Examining these thoughts and seeing if I can shift them slightly.

Seeing if I can make peace with belonging to a bunch of confused apes.

Thanks for everyone's thoughts and your patience.

It has helped untangle and unravel this.

:hug:

 

[Rani G2]

@Sophy

How do I feel less disgust about human beings?

probably an inner kid thing.

Could be, atleast worth a try?


To the feel = There is every aspect of human destruction, Environment/war/poverty/oppression/ abuse/human trafficking and the list is neverending. Reality. Yes. No positivism here..
If I could break it down from Apocalypse to Post apocalypse to Myself.
From :

do I feel less disgust at belonging to this species that is gobbling up the planet, raping mother nature, and killing so many other species.

The species ————you cut down to yourself————the rest is out of your control (For now, in this moment)

What’s after the disaster? The reconstruction————means again back to you.

Deconstructing again————the inner kid.

The inner kid————what’s her story? In her own words? What does she need now to heal? Not yesterday, not the ugly human past or the presence or the future which is to come. Her version of the story?

If this is silly, I get it.. I find it somewhat silly too. Just a thought out of many.

 

[Deleted member 47099]

Thanks @PURUSHA :hug:

 

[Abstract]

I think growing up in trauma as a kid, this was part of my reaction to it. I guess my anger about being subjected to trauma and abuse, seeing other kids subjected to trauma and abuse, seeing animals, nature, other people subjected to trauma and suffering... I guess as a kid my anger about all that got channelled into disgust about all of that.

This is what I was wondering. This I have too. Trying to accept a species which can be capable of such cruelty and pain. But in truth we will be seeing it through a trauma lens. This is what I remind myself. And much of nature can be cruel. I try to stop myself shouldning as much as possible as it doesnt help me.

 

[Friday]

I guess I don't want to feel more positive about it... in a superficial way.
I guess I want to know what's TRUE.
Regardless of whether that is positive or negative.
And it feels *true* that all humans are basically crap and especially that they are crap for the planet and all other living things out there.
I think I care about whether it's true more than about whether it's positive/ negative?

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. - H. L. Mencken

If you’re looking for a simple answer? True/untrue, right/wrong, everyone/people as a whole... You’re not going to find it.

I would say, far more than your conclusions (whether you wish to change them or not), it’s the idea that you can simply classify (labeling / extreme overgeneralisation) everyone (generalisation) as good/bad (black & white thinking), as the foundation of the cognitive distortions that are forming your core beliefs.

Trying to shift a core belief & cognitive distortions using other cognitive distortions? Isn’t gonna give you much -if any- traction.