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Relationship Worse Before It's Better? Looking for Experience with Starting Therapy, Especially EMDR

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I don't know if this belongs here, but I'm not sure where else to put it right now:
......and I think part of the problem is that if this really is it, the end of ...or relationship, then all of those other people were right, and I was wrong. That even now as I see us being able to overcome all of this, that it's in fact me that's naive and "stupid".
I consider myself to be a smart person, so this is agonizing to think as true. That all of the bitter cynics were correct...and if that's true, then maybe their doubts in me are correct as well. That maybe I really am worthless.

I've fought against their opinions and found that I've usually been able to overcome all of the obstacles. But somehow, the thought that they see pain, where I see love and they might be right makes me feel hopeless. It strips part of my faith in humanity. I guess I'm not as evolved and healed as I thought....screw you PTSD....screw it all.

I mean, honestly, where do people find self worth? It seems like a magic power I never was gifted with.
 
i have no idea how hard it must be for with the health stuff and all the rest. It must be very challenging. Just so you know I personally wasn't commenting on the legitimacy of your continued relationship or where it may or may not lead to. I also am open to relationships where there is no dating for a while. Would be hypocritical if I wasnt.

What I was commenting on is your obvious distress at not being able to help when he has clearly indicated to you that you cant. And when its usually the case that others cant. I see that continued battle with yourself as damaging to you. I could imagine that your daily interaction if you really could give up expectation for a while may be much easier for you. Giving up what you cannot control. Have a look at Radical Acceptance. You dont have to like or even agree about something to accept it. It also doesn't mean you cant take active steps in your life regardless.

None of this makes you stupid or naive or whatever. It just is what it is. As difficult as that is. Wish it could be different for you all,
 
i have no idea how hard it must be for with the health stuff and all the rest. It must be very challenging. Just so you know I personally wasn't commenting on the legitimacy of your continued relationship or where it may or may not lead to. I also am open to relationships where there is no dating for a while. Would be hypocritical if I wasnt.

What I was commenting on is your obvious distress at not being able to help when he has clearly indicated to you that you cant. And when its usually the case that others cant. I see that continued battle with yourself as damaging to you. I could imagine that your daily interaction if you really could give up expectation for a while may be much easier for you. Giving up what you cannot control. Have a look at Radical Acceptance. You dont have to like or even agree about something to accept it. It also doesn't mean you cant take active steps in your life regardless.

None of this makes you stupid or naive or whatever. It just is what it is. As difficult as that is. Wish it could be different for you all,

No worries, I didn't feel that way at all. I actually appreciate much of the things you say to me, and on the site in general. In fact, I take most of the things you say as constructive and helpful. Any of the negative type things that come across is generally in respect to the people in my life that don't get it and don't care to.
I will look into it. There are so many things that I'm trying because I'm so very desperate to feel better. Hopefully once and for all.

My T actually expressed to me this week that she thinks I'm doing too much, though. She's afraid I'll undermine some of the work I've already done. I don't know, honestly. I know that normally this is much easier for me than this time. I'm not in a good place. I'm very fragile and worried about self sabotage.

I'm really not taking care of a lot of my responsibilities. I'm just sick of it all. Everything feels fake. Even my relationship with him. Everything feels like a damn lie I've made up.

I'm tired, shaky, anxious, and see myself heading back to numb someone. It seems that's the only way I can meet my responsibilities. But I'm somewhat in a place I don't even care if they're met.

It feels like no one in my life sees or appreciates any of the work I've done, so what the hell's the point? I have never wanted to live in a vacuum, and if everyone only ever sees the old me, what was all the work and pain to get past any of it for? To still be alone and judged?

Maybe I'm asking these questions as much for myself. I value my family, I don't understand why it doesn't seem they feel the same.

I guess I can't tell if this is him suffering due to his therapy and trauma being front and center, or if it's really a reflection of my lack of being a good partner. He's still been willing to interact, but I can't figure out if it's because he loved me too, out of pity, if I'm being strung along as some sort of back up plan.

I guess I believe he loves me, but I guess that doesn't mean as much to some people as it does to me. Crap... now I just want to cry. Funny thing is, when I'm in pain, I want to fight for things, not just give up. But I can't control how anyone else feels about me. Gah! I want my simple life back...and I want to sleep for 30 years.
 
Oh I didnt take it as you meaning me. Just people in your life. And I'm assuming that womans group. Just pointing out that one person at least doesnt think that way.

or if it's really a reflection of my lack of being a good partner
out of pity,
But these are very telling as they seem to be about your self esteem and if he isnt engaged or if he is truly out of the relationship then it = you not being a good enough partner. Rather than what it usually is in situations like that.

Personally when it comes to radical acceptance it wasn't work. It gave me almost instant relief at times.

What can you do to give yourself a break right now and take some of the pressure off. What can you do to boost your self esteem. You dont deserve to feel so badly about yourself.. ?
 
Oh I didnt take it as you meaning me. Just people in your life. And I'm assuming that womans group. Just pointing out that one person at least doesnt think that way.



But these are very telling as they seem to be about your self esteem and if he isnt engaged or if he is truly out of the relationship then it = you not being a good enough partner. Rather than what it usually is in situations like that.

Personally when it comes to radical acceptance it wasn't work. It gave me almost instant relief at times.

What can you do to give yourself a break right now and take some of the pressure off. What can you do to boost your self esteem. You dont deserve to feel so badly about yourself.. ?

Wow!!! I'm so, well, honored that you remembered all of that! I'm actually taken a little aback by it. I honestly don't know what to say, but thank you! I honestly mean that.

You're actually quite right. I know that my self esteem could use a full body makeover. It really isn't even about him being engaged or not. My self esteem has been in the tank long before him, unfortunately. Of course, it amplifies it when he's pulling away, because it seems to validate my self hate speech. Then I can feel somewhat justified in wallowing in my own self pity.

It's crazy, but I honestly feel a lot better now that I've written a lot of it down and have had a chance to evaluate it all. I'm actually feeling rejuvenated. I have been thinking a lot about him, us, and me.

I honestly love him unconditionally. I think somehow, I find comfort in that, most likely because of the things I may project onto him from myself. That maybe if I can love it in him, it can be easier to love it in myself. I most definitely use him as a mirror. I wouldn't like it if he was with someone else, but if he was happy, I would be happy for him. I know it would be bittersweet. But I honestly don't think that's even in the scope of where he is right now. I just want to prepare myself mentally, I think, in case that happened.

The reality is that I feel he's been very supportive of me overall in the last 9 years I've been with him, so it seems natural to only want the best for him too. Of course, I would like to selfishly think that I'm part of that recipe, of course. But if I'm not, so be it. I genuinely treasure the majority of our interactions. When I take a step back and realize, again, that his need to isolate doesn't have anything to do with me, it eases my burden. I forget sometimes, that him needing space isn't my fault. I forget because of the other people in my life buzzing in my ear with all of their hurtful words amplifying my self hate. People telling me that it is my fault.

For now, I resolve to continue to improve myself and make myself happy. When we have our interactions, I will decide to use grace and be courteous and courageous. I will let him have the space he needs to heal with all of my love. I know some people feel that is enabling, but I don't necessarily agree with that. I will enforce boundaries and not just allow him to use me as a doormat. But I truly don't believe that is what he's trying to do at all. I genuinely believe he feels drawn to become a better man for and by himself. I see giving him the space to do the work he needs to and worrying about myself as a kind and loving act.

Honestly, I'm proud of him for it. I feel he's trying to work on what he sees as his shortcomings. I think that there may be temptations and coping devices in play too, but that's his business, not mine. I don't know if he's talking to other women or not, but that's not my concern and it shouldn't be. I do believe he hasn't stop drinking, and I believe it was on his breath the other night, but that is also not my business right now. Again, the only thing I can be in control of is me and what I can and cannot accept. I can be supportive without being sucked into the rabbit hole. I believe he has a lot of demons he needs to fight, and I have to trust him to do it himself this time.

I'm here in his corner if he needs some support, but I have to have faith in his strength to do it for himself. I believe that it will help him feel like the man he is missing. I have to put my side of things into being genuine when I speak with him and the rest into my prayers for him and his son. I think he has to do this or the pattern will never change, and I will be doomed to relive this over and over, and I can't be willing to do that.

As for me? I'm going to get back on track. I'm going to put on my big girl panties, pull up my bootstraps, and get back into the trenches of fixing my life. What better way to be supportive, than to re-find my strength?! I feel it re-energizing in my blood and bones right now. I'm starting to feel like the sky isn't even my limit anymore. It's funny how writing it all down and setting it free can remove it's power over you. That's how I feel right now. I feel like the darkness no longer has it's power over me. No matter what, with him or without him, this is my course. It is the only way towards my betterment....and my betterment is what I'm in charge of.

I'm so lucky to have such an arsenal of fine people! I know I'm blessed. I also know that I can do this! You have all been so integral to helping me find the road to my own peace of mind. The shared experiences and support is unmatched. This is the one place I don't feel like a freak. This is the one place I feel i can find a home base for my cocoon. The foundation for my metamorphosis. I will be reborn, like my name means....and I will be a "beautiful butterfly." (yes, that is an "Ants" reference to make myself smile)
 
wow -- great minds baby!
I had some thoughts bouncing around in my head and I think they tie in with your last post. I'm going to try to get them down but I'm not entirely sure how to say it -- so if I totally botch it please know that's me not being able to express myself -- not you doing something wrong :laugh:

I guess I can't tell if this is him suffering due to his therapy and trauma being front and center, or if it's really a reflection of my lack of being a good partner. He's still been willing to interact, but I can't figure out if it's because he loved me too, out of pity, if I'm being strung along as some sort of back up plan.
soo what I was thinking is.... he's a known isolator but something has changed that has made isolation be in a completely different place this time around. So, thinks me, what would make me do that? I admit I get really shallow when I am in that mode. I stop seeing the people around me as people and start seeing them as energy sucking vampires. Sad, but true. So if the people closest to me where having issues of their own at the same time I'm in trauma hell I would run. Not because of them exactly. But because I would panic that they would need me somehow and I would drown. Does that make any sense? I wouldn't push them away -- I would run away from them because their needs would be too big.

I wonder if the challenges you are up against in your own world are colliding with the ones in his and that's why he needed to go the extra step? It may not have anything to do with your relationship, but be a ...... ugh... what am I trying to say?! :banghead:
It's like your energy and his energy is clashing and the only way to get past it is to get distance? Not from you as people. You as energy.

What can you do to give yourself a break right now and take some of the pressure off. What can you do to boost your self esteem. You dont deserve to feel so badly about yourself.. ?
this is brilliant! Because it will reign in your energy and give you back your confidence
For now, I resolve to continue to improve myself and make myself happy. When we have our interactions, I will decide to use grace and be courteous and courageous. I will let him have the space he needs to heal with all of my love. I know some people feel that is enabling, but I don't necessarily agree with that. I will enforce boundaries and not just allow him to use me as a doormat. But I truly don't believe that is what he's trying to do at all. I genuinely believe he feels drawn to become a better man for and by himself. I see giving him the space to do the work he needs to and worrying about myself as a kind and loving act.
Yes!!!
What better way to be supportive, than to re-find my strength?! I feel it re-energizing in my blood and bones right now. I'm starting to feel like the sky isn't even my limit anymore.
Yes!!!! I can't imagine the stress my supporters are under trying to keep up with the swings in my moods, but I know that I feel better when they are in a good place. So I think this ^^^ is going to be huge. The better you are, the easier you are to connect to.

Soooo -- those are the thoughts in my wandering brain! Hopefully I made some kind of sense. If not ignore me!
Oh - and tell those naysayers around you to kiss yer happy ass. ptsd relationships don't play by the "normal" rules. :laugh:
 
wow -- great minds baby!
I had some thoughts bouncing around in my head and I think they tie in with your last post. I'm going to try to get them down but I'm not entirely sure how to say it -- so if I totally botch it please know that's me not being able to express myself -- not you doing something wrong :laugh:


soo what I was thinking is.... he's a known isolator but something has changed that has made isolation be in a completely different place this time around. So, thinks me, what would make me do that? I admit I get really shallow when I am in that mode. I stop seeing the people around me as people and start seeing them as energy sucking vampires. Sad, but true. So if the people closest to me where having issues of their own at the same time I'm in trauma hell I would run. Not because of them exactly. But because I would panic that they would need me somehow and I would drown. Does that make any sense? I wouldn't push them away -- I would run away from them because their needs would be too big.

I wonder if the challenges you are up against in your own world are colliding with the ones in his and that's why he needed to go the extra step? It may not have anything to do with your relationship, but be a ...... ugh... what am I trying to say?! :banghead:
It's like your energy and his energy is clashing and the only way to get past it is to get distance? Not from you as people. You as energy.


this is brilliant! Because it will reign in your energy and give you back your confidence

Yes!!!

Yes!!!! I can't imagine the stress my supporters are under trying to keep up with the swings in my moods, but I know that I feel better when they are in a good place. So I think this ^^^ is going to be huge. The better you are, the easier you are to connect to.

Soooo -- those are the thoughts in my wandering brain! Hopefully I made some kind of sense. If not ignore me!
Oh - and tell those naysayers around you to kiss yer happy ass. ptsd relationships don't play by the "normal" rules. :laugh:


Freida, I love you....will you be my spirit animal? Yes, I do see what you're saying about the energy stuff...but I also think that the biggest difference this time is the roommate being there. He really changes the dynamic A LOT. Plus him (the roommate) having these women introduced into the mix isn't helping matters for me either. It also seems like if that guy is around, he doesn't take my calls as readily, and no longer allows me into his house. But let himself into my house the other day. I don't understand it at all......

But I also can see your point about all of the stuff I have going on around here right now too. He's aware of some of it, but I don't always let him in on everything either. But, I am working on that "energy". It is actually a major focus of the "help" I've been eliciting from some coaches I've hired. One is literally an "energy healer" and the other is a life coach that works with Parts and how to employ conscious living in order to be a functioning whole person...doesn't that sound so enticing?

Thank you for being supportive of the rest of my "plan"! I think it's a fairly good one...and if one of those new girls think their going to get their hooks in him, well they'll have a rude awakening because the won't be able to compete with my history plus my healthy boundaried support, plus my awakened higher self. I think this will be the trifecta of him feeling safe to come back once he's past some of this mess.
 
I bought this shirt when he was deployed. Since I said a while ago I'm going to treat this similar to another deployment, I have been using it as a night shirt... what do you think @Freida ?
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One is literally an "energy healer" and the other is a life coach that works with Parts and how to employ conscious living in order to be a functioning whole person...doesn't that sound so enticing?
ya it does! I can't wait to hear about it......
and if one of those new girls think their going to get their hooks in him, well they'll have a rude awakening because the won't be able to compete with my history plus my healthy boundaried support, plus my awakened higher self. I think this will be the trifecta of him feeling safe to come back once he's past some of this mess.
That's my girl!!!!! :hug:
 
So, today's EMDR day, and he's already pulling back. We had a couple of really nice chats this weekend, nothing heavy - of course. But today all he messaged me is that he's really busy this morning and he'll call me later. So, I left it at that. I don't think he's working today, but he may have gone in too. I don't know...we'll see if he calls or not. I'm not going to message him anymore today. I learned my lesson last Monday when I got my head bit off for trying to let him know his car was getting towed.

I hate being pushed away. I hate it even more because I feel I'm being replaced. I feel I'm being replaced with the new roommate. I'm worried that maybe he'll end up liking the babysitter...IDK. I think what it boils down to is I'm afraid for some reason that he blames me for having fires to put out in the first place. I feel like he's angry because somehow some of this stuff is my fault in his mind.

He swears he isn't upset with me for anything, and says he's in no place to date anyone. But, I'm more insecure than normal lately. Also, he said he's done feeling like he has to answer to anyone about anything he does anymore. He said his life is a mess emotionally, financially, and with his house. Somehow I feel blamed or punished for this stuff. He has said over and over when we were together that he was resentful because of his inability to tell me what he really wanted. I don't know why that should be my fault too.

Will his EMDR help him process this stuff too? Will he see that I'm not the problem here? Will he finally accept responsibility instead of projecting it to me? It all seems like such projection. But then he tells me how much love he feels for me and wants me to be happy and whole, and that makes him happy to see me working for it. Maybe my own problem is what I'm projecting to him too...that he loves me more than himself. Maybe I too need to see that I'm worried about him loving himself because I really need to love myself more. Maybe I can't see why he would ever want to hold onto me, so I hold so tightly onto him. Ewwwww. that feels so icky.
 
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