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Can hypervigellence trigger dissociation?

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Sometimes, when I am @ work (or anywhere really but work ramps up my hypervigellence) and im feeling very very on edge, I switch into my numb dissociated state. Is this normal? Why the switch from extremely on edge to completely gone? What other things trigger your dissociation? This is so confusing!
 
Getting overwhelmed is probably my most consistent drop kick into disassociation. Too much? Pull back. Makes sense. Also makes sense on why focusing on individual things helps pull out of / ground out of dissociating.
 
from my experience yes.
the adrenaline surge reaches unmanageable levels in the body so it reacts trying to protect whats most important (brain) by shutting down or shutting out. least thats how its been explained to me. my PCP admits to being out of his depth but he tries. there's no psych services around here unless I want to wait three to four months for an appt with a public agency that has already completely undermined my trust. I finally located a trauma/ptsd counselor over an hour away, and we've only just started working together but I like her. she agrees with his assessment in that regard.

whats helped for me is watching the dogs for cues. when something startles me, I try to focus on whether or not the dogs have reacted. they let me know the coast is clear. or not.
 
Thankyou so much @StormFront @Friday for your replies, its very much appreciated and im glad i'm not alone.
I was wondering, i spend quite little of my time hypervigellent because it gets too much so quickly that i snap straight back into dissociation - although I'm not sure what causes the switch? This also makes me wonder whether or not the ptsd dx fits? I thought hypervigellence was the 'basis' of PTSD - whereas i spend most of my time stuck in dissociation-land.
 
For me, before starting to learn about ptsd after dx, I had no idea that my best coping mechanism and the one that ensured I remained highly functional at work.....was dissociation.
At times I actually think both can be effective strategies, they have been for me. When they go into the overwhelming phase though, that’s when it gets tricky and confusing.

In my experience, I don’t recognize the switch. I typically only become aware when I have down time or I’m in a more peaceful place. Then I’m able to check in and either calm the hypervigilance (by removing as many stimuli as possible) or by focusing on individual things to bring myself out of dissociation.

I’m still learning.
 
Yep. I have to shut off because I have to be ready to fight whatever it is that has my hyper vigilance ramping up. Can't do that if I'm all about "feelinnngs". So brain kicks emotions out.

I thought hypervigellence was the 'basis' of PTSD - whereas i spend most of my time stuck in dissociation-land.
Cause and effect...one creates the other..kind of like a symbiotic state.
I'm pretty sure dissociation is in the diagnosis somewhere...I just can't remember where.
 
Aside the pain and the confusion you are experiencing,vyou are also at a healing junction vwhere you are pipointing the switch to dissociation.
I wonder if you can anticipate the switch and learn how your body deals ....only then can you go to the next step of learning how to contain or cope.
My two cents
 
My dx is PTSD with severe/chronic dissociation, happens all the time but where once it used to be terrifying I'm kinda starting to get the hang of it and really trying to catch myself in those turning moments to see if I can stop it. Getting overwhelmed is a big trigger, I'm almost totally reclusive at the moment because people are a trigger and most days I can't even talk on the phone else I'm off somewhere else.

I'm seeing a Neuropsychiatrist and he is strongly encouraging me to really try and limit the dissociation as the more it happens the more it strengthens the neural pathways associated with.
 
This also makes me wonder whether or not the ptsd dx fits? I thought hypervigellence was the 'basis' of PTSD - whereas i spend most of my time stuck in dissociation-land.

Nope. There are several different criterion that have to be met that form the basis of PTSD. (Symptoms in CritB-CritE) Hypervig is just one small part of one of them. It’s not even required that you have ANY hypervig, much less that it be your biggest baddest symptom.


Ptsd diagnosis
Criteria B

Criteria B1 is focused on intrusive symptoms. A key focus in this criterion is that the intrusion is involuntary. The emphasis is on recurrent memories of the event that usually include sensory, emotional, or physiological behavioral components.

Criteria B2, a common re-experiencing symptom is distressing dreams that replay the event, part thereof, or thematically related to major threats from the trauma.

Criteria B3, dissociative states can last hours or days, during which components of the event are relived and the individual behaves as if the event where occurring at that moment.

Criteria B4 and B5 are about triggers and your reactions to them. They could be psychological or externally cued, such as a windy days after a hurricane, seeing planes after surviving a crash or seeing someone who resembles your perpetrator.

Criteria C

Criteria C is specifically about persistently avoiding anything related to your trauma, avoiding talking, feeling or having memories about the event. Distraction techniques are internal avoidance cues, avoiding places or people who arouse recollections of your trauma.

Criterion D

Persistent negative alterations in mood or cognitions refer to thoughts such as, "I have always had bad judgement" "People in authority can't be trusted" "It's all my fault my Uncle abuse me" and such thoughts.

These criterion also shift towards cessation of activities that you once enjoyed and looked forward to, such as team sport, exercise or social events. You were once a happy, outgoing person, and now you can't feel happiness, joy, satisfaction, tenderness or intimacy with your partner.

Criterion E

Criterion E is quite behavioral, such as suddenly yelling at people, getting into fights, reckless or self-destructive behavior (dangerous driving or a sudden urge for extreme sports) excessive drug or alcohol use, self-injurious and suicidal behavior. Criterion E also covers threat potential, such as thinking you will have a heart attack at any time, will die or other accident waiting to happen. You may be jumpy, hyper-aware of your surroundings, suspicious of others and have a difficult concentrating, remembering simple things or even doing multiple things at once like you once could. This all often leads into sleep problems, sleeping a couple of hours nightly or changing your sleep patterns completely



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Crit B, C, D, & E (out of A-G) Hypervig as a symptom bolded.
B. Presence of one (or more) of the following intrusion symptoms associated with the traumatic event(s), beginning after the traumatic event(s) occurred:
  1. Recurrent, involuntary, and intrusive distressing memories of the traumatic event(s) Note: In children older than 6 years, repetitive play may occur in which themes or aspects of the traumatic event(s) are expressed.
  2. Recurrent distressing dreams in which the content and/or affect of the dream are related to the traumatic event(s). Note:In children, there may be frightening dreams without recognizable content.
  3. Dissociative reactions (e.g., flashbacks) in which the individual feels or acts as if the traumatic event(s) were recurring. (Such reactions may occur on a continuum, with the most extreme expression being a complete loss of awareness of present surroundings.) Note: In children, trauma-specific reenactment may occur in play.
  4. Intense or prolonged psychological distress at exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event(s).
  5. Marked physiological reactions to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event(s).
C. Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the traumatic event(s), beginning after the traumatic event(s) occurred, as evidence by one or both of the following:
  1. Avoidance of or efforts to avoid distressing memories, thoughts, or feelings about or closely associated with the traumatic event(s).
  2. Avoidance of or efforts to avoid external reminders (people, places, conversations, activities, objects, situations) that arouse distressing memories, thoughts, or feelings about or closely associated with the traumatic event(s).
D. Negative alterations in cognitions and mood associated with the traumatic event(s), beginning or worsening after the traumatic event(s) occurred, as evidenced by two (or more) of the following:
  1. Inability to remember an important aspect of the traumatic event(s) (typically due to dissociative amnesia and not to other factors such as head injury, alcohol, or drugs).
  2. Persistent and exaggerated negative beliefs or expectations about oneself, others, or the world (e.g., "I am bad," "no one can be trusted," "The world is completely dangerous," "My whole nervous system is permanently ruined").
  3. Persistent, distorted cognitions about the cause or consequences of the traumatic event(s) that lead the individual to blame himself/herself or others.
  4. Persistent negative emotional state (e.g., fear, horror, anger, guilt, or shame).
  5. Markedly diminished interest or participation in significant activities.
  6. Feelings of detachment or estrangement from others.
  7. Persistent inability to experience positive emotions (e.g., inability to experience happiness, satisfaction, or loving feelings).
E. Marked alterations in arousal and reactivity associated with the traumatic event(s), beginning or worsening after the traumatic event(s) occurred, as evidenced by two (or more) of the following:
  1. Irritable behavior and angry outbursts (with little or no provocation) typically expressed as verbal or physical aggression toward people or objects.
  2. Reckless or self-destructive behavior.
  3. Hypervigilance.
  4. Exaggerated startle response.
  5. Problems with concentration.
  6. Sleep disturbance (e.g., difficulty falling or staying asleep or restless sleep).
F. Duration of disturbance (Criteria B, C, D, and E) is more than 1 month.

G. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

H. The disturbance is not attributable to the physiological effects of a substance (e.g., medication, alcohol) or another medical condition.

Specifiy whether:

With dissociative symptoms: The individual's symptoms meet the criteria for posttraumatic stress disorder, and in addition, in response to the stressor, the individual experiences persistent or recurrent symptoms of either of the following:
  1. Depersonalization: Persistent or recurrent experiences of feeling detached from, and as if one were an outside observer of, one's mental processes or body (e.g., feeling as though one were in a dream; feeling a sense of unreality of self or body or of time moving slowly).
  2. Derealization: Persistent or recurent experiences of unreality of surroundings (e.g., the world around the individual is experienced as unreal, dreamlike, distant, or distorted).
Note: To use this subtype, the dissociative symptoms must not be attributable to the physiological effects of a substance (e.g., blackouts, behavior during alcohol intoxication) or another medical condition (e.g., complex partial seizures).
 
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from my experience yes.
the adrenaline surge reaches unmanageable levels in the body so it reacts trying to protect whats most important (brain) by shutting down or shutting out. least thats how its been explained to me. my PCP admits to being out of his depth but he tries. there's no psych services around here unless I want to wait three to four months for an appt with a public agency that has already completely undermined my trust. I finally located a trauma/ptsd counselor over an hour away, and we've only just started working together but I like her. she agrees with his assessment in that regard.

whats helped for me is watching the dogs for cues. when something startles me, I try to focus on whether or not the dogs have reacted. they let me know the coast is clear. or not.

Thanks, Stormfront. I really like how you said that. It explained a lot to me, about myself.
 
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