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Anyone have signs of recovery?

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AnnieMae

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Is there anyone that is at a point of close “recovery” in which they no longer have breakdowns or freak out about things? If so, how did you overcome those challenges? Mine is being emotionally mature. I cannot do it anymore. I know it all started with the emotional abuse to me, but I can’t get it to stop towards other people as well. ?
 
It took me roughly 5 years to unf*ck my head and my life the first time things went sideways. What followed were 10 pretty damn amazing years. The second time around I was hoping to cut that time in half -or less!- but I’ve been eyeballs deep in new trauma, stressors, and stress... so as much as I hate it? It at least makes sense why things have taken longer this go ‘round.

I know a lot more, this time around. The first time? I was purely winging it. Didn’t know this was a disorder, or anything else, except I didn’t like myself or my life. So I made a list of shit I hated and worked my way down it. Piece by piece, bit by bit? Things changed.
 
Lots of days, I reframe.

Freak outs mean I still got something to lose, or something new.

Break downs mean I care, deeply, enough to lose shit over someone.
Minding any of that, emotional stuff, means not having anything bigger to worry about, slash being enough with it emotions mean so much to me, because people, nature, life, do. Those aint bad things.
 
It took me roughly 5 years to unf*ck my head and my life the first time things went sideways. What followed were 10 pretty damn amazing years. The second time around I was hoping to cut that time in half -or less!- but I’ve been eyeballs deep in new trauma, stressors, and stress... so as much as I hate it? It at least makes sense why things have taken longer this go ‘round.

I know a lot more, this time around. The first time? I was purely winging it. Didn’t know this was a disorder, or anything else, except I didn’t like myself or my life. So I made a list of shit I hated and worked my way down it. Piece by piece, bit by bit? Things changed.

Tis is helpful. Can I ask if this second time around is from the same problem or is it from something else?
 
Tis is helpful. Can I ask if this second time around is from the same problem or is it from something else?
I had the trifecta of new trauma, stressors, & loss of coping mechanisms... any one of those three is enough to kick someone back into being symptomatic... but it was primarily my old unresolved trauma that surfaced with fangs on. Which created a bit of a double bind. Reacting to domestic violence like its combat & other adventures? Is a strange corner to be backed into. Makes resources a bit scarce. Too many worlds collided to sort out a clear road through.
 
I love this type of posts because they force to me take inventory and by taking inventory and sharing my integration gets firmer and firmer.

First what is triggering you? If you can pinpoint then you need to find ways you can make decision about that. Indecision no matter you have PTSD or not is probably one of the worst state of mind. So what are you triggers? Which ones can you do something about it? which ones are beyond your control but maybe just for now.

Therapy cannot change your external life (husband, family, jobs) ...they can only help you get stronger and develop skills, re-work developmental breakdowns (to a point) and firm your identity...all with your willingness, openness, curiosity and dedication to change and see what is there. Therapy is like the internet, a tool, that can give you guidance, information, safe space BUT therapy or therapist cannot change you...ONLY YOU CAN. Just like a person can destroy you or immensely lift you because you allowed to get involved in the situation and you cared about the person. So you can care about the therapist enough to allow to influence you (like a parent on their child), but since you are not a child, and have capacity for decision making, you must take the suggestions, the feelings arising, the perceptions arising and DO SOMETHING WITH THEM not merely saying ooh yeah that is a core issue for me and then shelving it. I am not saying you or everybody does that...but you have to be present. You have be curious. You have to willing participant to wait for a feeling, a thought, a core belief to show up and then get to work hard and deep and life time commitment to say...

I have this feeling, this thought, this core belief...who has this feeling/thought/core belief? You (the real person) or you the person created by the trauma? and trust me both are you but have very different perceptions about life. One you accept. The other you learn to live with it like evil twin ...you neutralize it, you use it in creativity (write a movie like the Joker) or you use it for other musings or you just watch it like a bad movie but you are in it. You cannot change but you can accept (you the person recognizing all these things).

a point of close “recovery” in which they no longer have breakdowns or freak out about things? If so, how did you overcome those challenges? Mine is being emotionally mature. I cannot do it anymore.
Being emotionally immature is part of us. We all have child like sides or parts or feelings but we have to know and accept them and welcome them rather than shun them, hate them, make them feel weak and dependent. The emotionally immature is very real for most of us with PTSD cause it is like unfinished business. that poor child who was abused, neglected, or hurt beyond is mean, angry, wants attention, validation, love, nurture (just imagine an angry two year old) and you are carrying that around. You have to accept that is true for you then and you must take care of your own memory and childhood as an adult - to me personally this is the work of trauma. How to do what your parents did not do and still work, have family of your own, relationship and be adult? that is why it is so hard.

For me, I never experience breakdown other than complete dissociation during therapy sessions which I allowed it rather than resist them many many times. I had my child side, and my mother's aggressive, judgemental, abusive (inside self as self critical) as forefront all my life and believed this was me....that is it. No depth. I am my mother's parrot. If I thought (moments of bliss) of who I was, I would see emptiness and go back to my child like, my mean mother like and feel alive....ooh yeah. I am alive because I am mean and angry and just hate the world and yet I am so child like and no boundaries and everybody is my friend and I am so cool and love everybody and no strong feeling about anything blahahahaha.

I lived like that. I went to therapy and the crack was opened so wide and so far that I had no choice but chose dissociation. I am sorry there is nothing to see here except my angry, nasty side or my child side and when ^&%^ hits the fan, I have few skills called dissociation, sleeping, gorgeous anxiety of talking to myself to death, and avoiding everybody (loved living alone). That did not last long because my work is affected - zero concentration. My marriage is affected - I do not hear or understand what my husband is saying unless he yells. My inside is feeling like I am broken and missing an arm or a heart. What is going on?
Then I decided to do something I never done before.
This is me waking up from the fog.

Projection: Every feeling I have in therapy, I took it as mine. You see I lived in projection. I was no one unless I am with someone. My mother took me over. So if I was not angry like mom was, I was not there. I was my mother's face. Every feeling is mine and I was projecting. I kept up until I completely started to feel there is a point where my projections stops and the other person's stuff is. A bit of reality peeks in.
Validation/Approval: I wanted to be validated after I am not projecting. So where in projection I would think like the therapist does not like me (to I do not like the therapist). Now I could express to the therapist, I feel you do not like me and I do not know why..but I have this feeling and the therapist may truthfully tell me they do not feel that and it is OK I felt that and then I would feel hmmm so my feeling, although negative, is OK.
Core Belief: I do not like myself (hence why I was throwing it back to the therapist). Now I have to use logic and memory why? I may not recall all my childhood but I remember feeling this all my life so it is mine what do I do about it? I do not know even know what is it that I do not like...but I need to keep this feeling until I find solution or acceptance but I do find one thing - I am grateful I am learning this. I felt this all along but never knew it. At least now I know. That knowledge of my core belief gives me feelings of aliveness. gratefulness and makes me feel I am recovering. at least I know now!
Identity: Who does not like who? What is that? I meditate. I am in therapy school too so I read a lot. I am so committed to know who I am, how I am, what I like, what I do not that I am consumed by it. I have no life but to recover. I want to know who I am so bad, I would cut off my family if that is what it takes. That bad. i dream and i write and try to attach feelings that arise. Eventually and luckily, I had few breakthroughs where I felt I am the person keeping my ugly mother side, my child side, my typing here side all together. I am the encompassing air of all of my parts. and I had such an awe experience where I felt I wil not breakdown or lose my mind (my biggest fear as I learned in therapy). I will not (provided I am in an extreme traumatic experience) breakdown because I am the one taking care the child, my mom's ugly side (which is my dark/dry humor, some of creativity, my assertive or even my strength/confidence) and I love my child side - my play side, some of my silly humor, my friend making side, my creativity, my vulnerable side and my memories of childhood. All my sides have good, bad and ugly. Even my healthy side was avoidant, stupid, fool, and ignorant for all these years but yet here I am loving myself and all my parts.

I can articulate this because I experienced this in the last two years. I am in a journey. Everyday, I tackled another core belief. Everyday I feel good, bad and ugly and go OK I am human. Anxiety is when I need to work with others to solve something or leave something behind. depression for me is 100% I need to resolve a core belief. No doubt in my mind in my experience. i welcome both because I am a human growing everyday and the body, in order to heal or grow, must go sleep (depression before was dissociation for me) to upgrade my core beliefs.

I am human. I am weak. I am strong and I am in recovery. Everyday I take it as it is rather than plan. I truly hope you find one line that resonates with you in this post. Everybody is different. Everybody has their own path. This is mine.

May love shine on you so you see yourself clear.

(not religious at all but I felt to part you with that).
 
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I guess my question is how do people heal if they just keep getting triggered?
In my experience it would depend on what you mean by triggered.

This might help with that... Stressor vs. Trigger - What Is A Trigger?

Triggers & Stressors are totally normal in PTSD-Land and don’t affect the ability to recover whatsoever. They can GREATLY affect the ability to live one’s life in a function -much less totally badass wonderful amazing- way. But that’s the point of

- Coming at them >>> Chipping away at the trigger/stressor itself until it’s not a trigger/stressor anymore
- Coming after the root cause >>> working on the trauma that creates the triggers themselves.

Dealing with Triggers & Stressors are very very much a part of dealing with PTSD. Rather than the inverse, that PTSD can’t be dealt with.

Stress & Trauma, otoh? Yeah. Those can grind any kind of recovery to a standstill, or make preexisting PTSD infinitely worse.

It’s virtually impossible -to the best of my knowledge- to get any movement whilst still in active trauma (like still in a violent relationship) -or- whilst dealing with monumental stress (a child with cancer, a brutal divorce, a wedding, new baby etc.)... good or bad stress fills the stress cup. Which is why trauma therapists insist on stability in your life before working on trauma. (Both the super basics; home, income, relationships, food, sleep, etc... as well as tools to deal with mental/emotional instability, like grounding out of panic attacks and regulating dysregulation). Or -if someone is in active trauma- in first getting the person out of the abusive environment, etc.

That doesn’t mean that other things cannot be worked on, if a person is in active life or death circumstance, or is stressed past their limit. The opposite. Processing ongoing trauma, working on stabilization, etc. is just as much -if not more- valuable than working on the past. First get stable, then deal with past trauma, is the overwhelming consensus of best practice. (I fought against this one for years, by the by.)

People with PTSD have a tendency to think in all or nothing terms. Either/Or. (Like either we do this or do nothing). ONLY “wanting” to work on the past, ignoring the present as if it isn’t a very real part of their lives; or wanting to completely block out the past to work on the present. Again, as if these things aren’t part and parcel. The problem is that emotions don’t logic so hot. It can feel right to disavow the past or the present, to keep them as 2 seperate things... but what actually allows them to seperate? Treating them as part of a collective whole. It’s like, if you have a broken leg? Just deciding your leg isn’t broken doesn’t let you walk on it. You can’t just disavow your leg and keep it seperate from the rest of your body. Attempting to do so will just break it worse, and make walking impossible. But if one can accept that their leg is broken? Get it set/casted and hop around on crutches for awhile? They’re both more mobile, and heal faster. Sure, one can just decide not to let it affect one’s attitude, but one cannot just decide the physiological reality isn’t real.

I. Triggers & Stressors = Normal part of dealing with PTSD

II. Trauma & Stress = the things that CAUSE symptoms to be dealt with.
 
It's taken about four years (two really good years of therapy, two really bad where I was retraumatized) to feel like recovery was "real". For me it's not elimination of symptoms, it's how I deal with them. I think the pressure to be "symptom free" is a judgement of self that for me causes more anguish than just living with what I've got. I'm able to recognize when my thoughts are spiraling down to depression or a panic attack, work through them, and by figuring out that trigger figuring out something more meaningful about myself and how to care for myself. They're less frequent, for sure. I don't feel like I'm dying at all times anymore, and I actually am able to feel happiness and excitement for the future (even if I still don't know what I'm doing in the future lol). Reframing has helped a lot!
 
Reach out, practice skills, look back at freak out frequency and severity, asking myself how i have been reacting to stressors and triggers, impulsivity to blow up, reviewing my notes to self and periods where there are no notes ususlly indicate i was struggling, lots of inventory and checking in with body.

Keep at it and do not give up when setbacks happen. I use an app called Gratitude and WoeBot both helps track my.mood. i have been getting better and starting to accept how ptsd affects all areas of life. I tread lightly and little by little i recover. Slowly ???
 
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