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Transition to Vegetarianism

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I’m just curious about any tips and tricks anyone has about how to deal with craving meat and making sure to still get lots of protein. I don’t have the self control to go all the way vegan but maybe one day. I am a pretty light meat eater anyway and find alternatives most of the time. A big issue is my family is very heavily into meat and can be judgey/critical/noisy about things they don’t understand (a whole other issue on its own).

Biggest issue I have is there are times I am craving a burger, or meatloaf sometimes. I suck at battling any kind of cravings. They are so strong and I get so one track minded I will do *anything* to get the exact flavor I *need*. It’s pathetic.
 
I am a, on again off again, vegetarian. So I'm with you on this. I suspect that when we are deficient in something when we crave meats. Do you eat eggs or cheese? I do, also a butter that is mixed with olive oil and sea salt. Anyway, you are not alone!
 
Ah....one of my favorite topics. ? After several decades of eating a typical Standard American Diet, mostly southern comfort-food style, suffering from ongoing chronic conditions for most of those years, then having emergent health needs prompting a drastic overnight change in my consumption habits, I've learned there are many sources of protein outside of animal products.

I've also learned we're never really purposely exposed to those options, and that's an unfortunate lifelong missed opportunity simply via omission for many. If I'd known it could be this easy to put it into practice and would benefit my overall well-being as much as it did, I could have saved myself, and many other living things, from a whole lot of suffering through the years. Here's a chart that highlights some options:

A Vegan Protein Sources Chart | VegKitchen.com

Having a whole lot of time on my hands due to being so severely ill and mostly bed-ridden for a while gave me more than enough time to research nutritional info, well-planned and balanced ingredients, recipes, the path that the products I choose must take to arrive on my plate, and to realize I don't just digest the product, but also the energies of each process. Yikes. That was a major eye-opener that I didn't even know I needed to be mindful of.

I had also visited multiple places like dairy farms (I live within ear shot of one now), meat producing farms (both the "humane" and the industrial), spoke with folks working in the factory scene and visited a few towns over where many of those factories operate. I felt like Dorothy in Oz peeking behind the curtain, and I couldn't unsee what I saw. I also related to the animals on a much deeper level than I ever anticipated as a survivor of sexual/physical abuse.

I was pretty certain I'd die of boredom and/or starvation if I gave up my favorite meats, cheeses, other dairy items, and eggs. But nope. Just the opposite, actually, after a period of adjustments and transition. I felt better than I realized was even possible - and better than all the docs/experts had told me I'd likely ever feel again.

I just got a little more creative with seasonings and such and learned how to craft similar flavors from plant-based ingredients. I already loved to cook, thankfully. I just had to get busy unlearning what I'd been taught to believe was genuinely nourishing and hydrating.

Walnut ground meat is a go-to for anything I'd use ground beef in. The trick to capturing the flavors you love is all in the seasonings, from what I discovered. I don't recall ever fixing meats without seasoning/coating/marinating/smoking/or putting some kind of sauce on it. Here's a sample of the walnut meat substitute:

Beef-Style Walnut Meat - vegan spicy ground meat, great for tacos!

Burgers can be made from many varieties/combinations of mushrooms, nuts, seeds, beans, beets, sweet potatoes, etc. There's a store-bought frozen brand I really enjoy that's named "No-Bull Burger". The savory mushroom variety is my favorite. Black bean varieties is another favorite of mine, as well as using the big portobella mushroom caps, marinated, as the burger replacement.

Meatloaf can be made from many things, too. My favorite, thus far, has been a lentil loaf. Here's a sample of that recipe (it takes time, but is the only one I've made, thus far, that reminds me of my mom's):

Lentil Nut Vegan "Meatloaf" | Minimalist Baker Recipes

One of the most surprisingly similar substitutes I learned to make is carrot dogs. It sounded bat shit crazy to me, but damn if it doesn't taste just like a hot dog once you put your favorite toppings on - the consistency is a bit different, but otherwise, YUM!:


I never liked tofu, but learned to make a non-fermented version of it myself with chickpea flour and water that doesn't gross me out:

Burmese Chickpea Tofu recipe (soy free tofu) {vegan + dairy free + gluten free} - Print

Tofu tastes exactly like whatever you marinate it in. On it's own, it has no flavor. One of my favorite recipes is this one, but there are so many other options, too:

Baked Italian Herb Tofu Recipe + How To Press Tofu Like a Champ

With the homemade Burmese tofu, you don't have to press it prior to marinating it.

I remember being teased/taunted/prodded with bacon jokes, etc./and would have folks/family offer me the things they knew damn well were once my weaknesses for quite some time, until they finally realized my health was drastically improving as a result of my efforts. It's like being a former crack addict trying to avoid all the crack houses.

They weren't comfortable with the thought of giving up their favorite comfort foods for any reason, which meant any compassionate discussion about it was off the table, and weren't really comfortable with me being so comfortable not indulging anymore.

Food is such a social and deeply programmed/ingrained thing and when there's a drastic change, there's ripple effects that go both ways and take time to adjust to. Taste bud addiction is a bitch to overcome/work around. I still struggle at times. Some food-like substances are specifically engineered to be addictive, unfortunately.

Best wishes in finding what most healthy nourishes you based on your specific needs and satiates your cravings and such. May your family give you the space and respect to experiment in the ways you feel are best for you.

I forgot to add one of my favorite ways of getting added protein in what pretty much tastes like a dessert/milkshake to me. I add chia and flax seeds to my morning/early afternoon smoothies, along with big handfuls of various fresh greens, frozen bananas, some of my favorite greens and mushroom powders, flax milk, and sunflower seed butter. I buy the flax and chia seeds whole and grind them before using, or just let the nutri-bullet do the grinding in the smoothies as I make them. The flax seeds are also my egg replacement in many baked goods recipes. One tbsp. of seeds ground up and soaked in 3 tbsp. of water, let it sit for at least 20 minutes, and ta-da!
 
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Engage with your motivation.

For me, I just can't come at the concept of an animal dying just so I can have that burger, or that meatloaf, etc. All I have to do is go round to my older sister's place and take some feed out to her chooks, and the decision is made for me. So find your motivation, and lean into it.

If your motivation is ethical (environmental or animal loving), forgive yourself in advance for not being perfect. Doing your best is awesome enough:)

The day will come when eating a hit of saturated animal fat will end up making your gut so queasy it won't be as attractive as it once was.

They are so strong and I get so one track minded I will do *anything* to get the exact flavor I *need*. It’s pathetic.
Do you know what's going on for you when this happens? What's the trigger (thoughts/emotions/external events)? There's usually something, and once we know what it is, and recognise what's going on for us in the moment, we get much more control of our choices. Again, your motivation is totally going to help with this.

And again, your gut. Rebelling afterwards about "what the hell did you just dump on me!?" and knowing, nah, that 2 minutes of burger craving just ain't worth it.

A big issue is my family is very heavily into meat and can be judgey/critical/noisy about things they don’t understand (a whole other issue on its own).
This was big for me. It's still a work in progress.

I 'came out' as vegan while they were interstate on an extended holiday, so I had time to let it sink in. I then had to come to terms with bringing my own food to family meets (because downing their food just left me feeling plain old sick, never mind the ethical shitshow going on in my head about it). And I'm still battling my sister/housemate who still thinks that a deep fried chicken burger is a form of kindness when I've had a really bad day. She meant well!

With my family, I came at it as basically "I'm not going to try and convince anyone of anything, change your mind about anything, or ask you to change anything you do...just please accept this is important to me."

That was surprisingly hard. Still is. Because I don't challenge my family on anything, typically, irrespective of what it costs me personally.

Again, your motivation will be helpful here in giving you the boost you need.
 
Thank you all!!!! I will write this stuff down and try to implement it when I get home tonight. Y’all have so much awesome information!

I don’t know what exactly causes the cravings to to be as strong as they are, but the idea of it indicating a deficiency is one I will look closely at.
 
Many people are starting to raise meat chickens around here. I figure when I can't get meat at the store, I will become a vegetarian again. I'll start now, slowly, so I don't waste the food in my freezer. I read once that a craving for burgers is actually a craving for fat. Maybe eat some buttered bread or anything with fat and see if that works. Soon in America it is supposed to be hard to get meat so we all could do with some good vegetarian recipes.
@Tornadic Thoughts, I've had that lentil meatloaf and loved it!
 
@DharmaGirl thats a good idea and I don’t need extra excuses for bread and butter but I’ll take them ?.

That reminds me to answer the question of motivation. 1. I am not a massive meat fan to begin with, most meats I do eat are chicken, turkey, the occasional burger, and whatever the family cooks. Besides burgers I hate red meat altogether. 2. The humane side. I already try to purchase from companies who are usually more open about their practices and don’t have a bad reputation for how they care for their animals. For instance, I love dairy products from Tillamook because one of the farmers puts up very open Facebook videos often where I get to see the ins and outs and I feel like his cows are very well taken care of. I know there is the debate/issue of killing something to feed me and that’s not something I am proud of contributing to. My solace has been ensuring their lives are better than being pinned up in tight cages every day. But I want the transition to go further. It’s just hard. But deficiencies might be a way for me to combat that.
 
Yeah, I'll leave you with that. Dairy was the hard one for me, because I got through a lot of milk. But then, there's the flip side of the coin, and 'happy dairy cows' ain't really a thing. But, start with the meat, because that makes a difference, a big difference, and you should feel proud of yourself for caring enough to try:)
 
any tips and tricks anyone has about how to deal with craving meat and making sure to still get lots of protein

1. Meet the nutritional need behind the craving.

2. Make sure that you still have things to chew & take serious bites out of. People have a bad habit of going all tiny foods when going vegetarian. Don’t. Fried rice & casseroles are badass, but so are burritos, tacos, sandwiches, pizza, lasagna, sushi, stuffed apples, bruschetta, etc.

3. With very few exceptions, meat substitutes are gross, and just leave you wanting the waaaaaay better meat version of what you’re eating. So -especially in the beginning- choose dishes that didn’t have meat in them to begin with, and are still eaten by virtually everyone.

3.5 With very few exceptions, cheese substitutes are gross. If you’re going to try and find those exceptions? Look for the fat content. The higher the fat content, the less gross they usually are.

4. Consider leaving some meat proteins in your diet. So many different kinds of vegetarian diets exist in my area that the public schools have soy free vegan options with every meal, as at least 1/3 of the distinct body doesn’t eat meat/animal products/or soy (that’s the minimum for the schools to add an option in my area, and no, they aren’t great meals. They’re as gross as the rest of the food that comes out of their kitchens.). In my own circle we had pescatarian, lacto/ovo, vegan, celiac-vegan, Hindu vegetarian, buddhist vegetarian, nothing with a face, raw food diets, (Including the semi-opposite; nothing still alive when I eat it // IE no raw plants, no active cultures, etc.), free-gan (won’t buy animal products but will eat them when bought/made by others), list goes on. >>> In all of these people (somewhere around 30 or so), only 1 didn’t deliberately keep their enzymes going with weekly animal protein adds. Why? We all travelled, and most of us suffered periodic bouts of poverty. When you’re travelling sometimes a luxury diet means you risk starving to death, or suffer massive ill health, or have to spend the month before you travel (Or your first month travelling) being sick as a dog. When you’re poor, meanwhile, you eat what you can get. For someone who always has the luxury of choosing what they eat, this clearly isn’t a problem. Many people go their whole lives almost never leaving a 50 mile radius of their home, much less are spending weeks/months on different continents; and the only hunger they’ve ever known is between meals. Enzymatic Vegetarians / Enzymatic vegans are just a small niche in both “communities”. <<< IF you decide to do this? Broth is the most common option.

5. Complete Proteins.

Grain+Legume = Complete protein. That’s why rice&beans, flatbread dipped in hummus, beans on toast, roasted corn & black bean salad, peanut butter sandwiches, etc... are so satisfying. It doesn’t matter whether the grains are ground (like in bread) it just matters that they and they are eaten at the same time as the legumes. Oatmeal in the morning and chickpeas with lunch will still leave you protein deficient. The grain+legume have to be broken down chemically at the same time for your body to complete the amino acid chains necessary.

((The only other complete proteins are found in flesh, milk, eggs, & nuts. And quinoa. Which is a grain that has the chemical composition of a nut. Proteins are complicated arrangements of amino acids. Whilst there are proteins in countless foods, they’re not “complete” -outside of those 5.5 groups...but only contain some of the amino acids humans need to survive. This misunderstanding is how western vegetarians 30/50 years ago got a bad rep for being spindly, unhealthy, & sickly.))
 
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