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Forgiveness - Is This A Necessary Part Of True Healing From Abuse?

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For people who have expressed neutrality toward their abuser do they feel like they have shifted the anger elsewhere?

I just wonder if this type of anger is tied to the disorder itself and if it's possible not to have it.
 
Heidi it reverted back to me always. I did try to remain neutral towards others. I can't think of harming others when I am angry.
 
You all have spoke my feelings and what I am going through for this forgiveness journey. it's very hard. Sometimes I get mentally paralyzed that I find myself giving up and quitting the situation due to lots of pain.

Is there anyone who feels lots of pain while forgiving themselves? Yes, that's true we have adopted so many negative thoughts from our abusers and they have gone to roots. We will have to cut off those roots, so they no longer try to trigger us to feel more bad.

I also used to think I will have to forgive my parents in order to attain full forgiveness for me. It never made sense to me. I thought why should I take all the responsibility of their own actions? If they don't want to give me love and support that's ok. I can understand. But it is not mine task to forgive them.

It seems we all have become more aware in our life and our abusers don't like this because they are not able to achieve something and it makes them feel more inferior??
 
Don't be hard on yourself Jaret. I fully acknowledge forgiveness is a really hard process and it probably takes time. I know I am not in the right place yet to begin it.

I agree that I don't understand the 'I must forgive to be forgiven' attitude either. Maybe some people do and that's okay too.

My understanding of forgiveness if to 'let go' of all the anger, resentment, bitterness etc, to 'free myself' of all the negative feelings regarding the past that affect my life. I feel it's about not carrying the negative emotions and weight of that anymore. Putting that down, letting it go. And it's not about them, or whether they deserve it, they don't. It's about me and for me. But that is just my view of it.

And we can all have different views of this, whether it is necessary, and what it individually means for each of us and that's all okay and equally valid.

Hugs Jaret :hug:
 
Yes Shellbell, You are right. if we are still holding anger, resentment and bitterness, it will bring more negativity in our life. That's true,too. It will make very painful.

Even forgetting this all doesn't sound easy to me. It sounds I will have to pay attention to it and tell it I no longer need this all negative memories, I am letting it go because it doesn't serve any higher purpose to me.

Hugs back at you Shellbell :hug:
 
The following is my experience with forgiveness and recovery.

First, all my traumas were either repressed or minimized to the point that I couldn't recognize that I'd been mistreated. While in that state, I had a lot of rage that spilled out all over the place whenever I was invalidated.

When I was remembering the traumas and becoming aware that the events which had been minimized and/or blamed on me, were actually gas lighting and mental/emotional abuse by my own "protectors"... I had rage. But, this was JUSTIFIABLE rage, and it was directed at the people who caused it; instead of spilling out willy nilly.

Once I understood all that happened, and had a reasonable view of who, what, where, when, and why; which incorporated a lot of mitigating circumstances for both abusers and enablers in my abusive childhood; then, I began to apply that forgiving logic to others in my present life.

I recall the moment specifically when I was at my breaking point, and I asked myself "What about me?" "Why not me?" and what I meant was, "Why am I so forgiving of others and their mistakes and selfish transgressions, but none of it applies to me?" "Why am I still on the hook to have personal responsibility for all of my mistakes and selfishness without any acceptance or forgiveness?"

All my memories flashed back through my mind, and I began to see moments in my memories when others had the responsibility to help me, and they chose not to. I put a pin in that. I said, "That's not acceptable." These were like bread crumbs in my mind to lead me back to sanity.

Then, as people around me were behaving irresponsibly and irrationally, I recognized it! I thought, "Hey, that's ridiculous!" and I thought, "That person is unreasonable, and their behavior is reckless which could be a threat to me and my family." I pointed it out, when appropriate. I distanced myself when appropriate. I started feeling better about myself. Suddenly, I had some idea of what is right and what is wrong. What is acceptable, what is not acceptable. I didn't realize it at the time, but I was drawing some boundaries. Not only for others, but also for myself. No longer did I expect myself to always be the bigger person. I'm human. I'm allowed to make mistakes.

I began to see others as human too. Just because someone is selfish at one point, doesn't mean they will not change and be a better person in the future. (I am different) So, all actions and choices that people make are easier to handle when you don't judge the whole person for them. You judge the person's logic that led to those choices, and you (if you care to) watch the person for changes in that logic that may lead them down a more realistic and socially responsible path.

So, forgiving myself was the result of finally requiring people to have SOME personal responsibility for their actions instead of constantly forgiving them for stepping on me. In doing that, I learned balance. I don't have to do all the forgiving, I can expect people to behave themselves as well. AND, I don't have to always be held accountable to some "What would Jesus Do?" standard, I am human and I am allowed forgiveness too.

Frankly, I don't believe that forgiving others is the key to inner peace. I think trusting yourself to draw your own boundaries, be able to enforce those boundaries, believe in your reasons for those boundaries and to apply logical, reasonable common sense to situations will give you the peace that you require to live a happy life. It's not about thinking others are worthy, or trustworthy; it's about trusting yourself to see who is taking responsibility for themselves and who is not.

In this, I hope you will understand why I don't speak to my family anymore. According to them, and an old friend of mine, I need to forgive them so I can move on. They are all enablers. They are all in denial and they have all told me that they want to remain that way. They want me to change back. Back to not understanding right and wrong? Replacing my logic with whatever keeps them from looking bad? Back to not requiring that the people close to me be held personally responsible for their actions, and for apologizing when they wrong me? Back to holding myself up as martyr, to turn the other cheek time and again just because I'm related to these people? Nah. I think I'll pass.

As for the rapists, I rarely think of them. What they did was about them, not me. I've never internalized it. I have felt ashamed before as if I lost a game, and it resulted in my getting hurt, and so I have no right to feel bad about it. That's, again, more bullshit from my parents and grandparents. It was always very clear in my traumas that the rapists enjoyed what they were doing, and they enjoyed my fear and my anger as well. So, I guess I am grateful that none of it was done by wooing me and confusing me into agreeing to something that I wasn't prepared for. That would take a different path to decipher, though hopefully it would lead to the same resulting closure that I feel about my abusers and enablers.

The inner peace that is being discussed in this thread sounds like death to me. Either "Heaven" or a dirt nap. It just sounds like the end. Like, blissful serenity that lasts forever. That's why it sounds like an unreasonable goal to strive for, and why IMHO, Ms. Spock is trying to convince others not to try to strive for perfection. In the beginning of my recovery, I had a lot of rigid, black and white, goals. I lost a lot of them during the struggle for sanity that ensued when I started remembering and understanding the abuse that I was subjected to as a child. The fact that I was so rigid in my beliefs, so bound and determined not to lose them... hurt me more and prolonged the pain. Flexibility was a threat to me. I was terrified to jump off that cliff into the ocean of possibilities; prefering instead, to suffer in agony over not being able to live up to the unrealistic expectations set by myself and my family for my life.

Some forgiveness and acceptance is part of your journey toward healing. You cannot predict how much is necessary ahead of time, and you don't need to. You will find your way to them. Trust yourself to be able to handle the truth of your life. Denial really is a harder way to live life. Seeing the truth and accepting it for what it is gives you the ability to see it in your present life, and that makes you feel so much more secure. You won't need to know anything ahead of time, in order to embark on a new goal in life. You will trust that you can handle it AND, the excitement it brings.

Toiling over whether or not you will HAVE TO forgive abusers in order to love yourself and forgive yourself, is in my opinion, a stall tactic. Or, based in fear of the unknown and trying to pin down the future so you feel more prepared for it. Take the steps toward recovery, and see where they lead. You really can't skip to the end, and then go back through what you think will lead you there. I really wanted to find the words to repair my relationship with my family, and I struggle with it constantly. But, it's not in my power to correct... I didn't break our relationship. They did. It's up to them to fix it and they don't even accept that reality. If I could conquer this last rigid pre-recovery requirement of mine, then I would save myself hours a day of anguish. I just firmly, firmly believed that when I was recovered, I would be back in the fold of my family of origin. I always pictured myself speaking to them again. And, I find it almost unacceptable that I still refuse to communicate with them. That hurts me.

So, my caution is for you to avoid setting requirements on your recovery.
 
I recall the moment specifically when I was at my breaking point, and I asked myself "What about me?" "Why not me?" and what I meant was, "Why am I so forgiving of others and their mistakes and selfish transgressions, but none of it applies to me?" "Why am I still on the hook to have personal responsibility for all of my mistakes and selfishness without any acceptance or forgiveness?"

Hey Muzikluv, I am choosing to read your post slowly and think about it.

I know this thing. When you show signs of forgiveness to those people who abused you, they will repeat the same behavior over and over. They take it granted. They think we don't mind their behavior and you're right, it's about what to accept and what not to. If they don't change it, then we have to set boundaries.

I understand, it's upto abusers,too. If they want gain trust from ourselves, then they will have to behave,too. They will have to change themselves,too. I think it also depends what they mean by forgiven by ourselves.
 
In this, I hope you will understand why I don't speak to my family anymore. According to them, and an old friend of mine, I need to forgive them so I can move on. They are all enablers. They are all in denial and they have all told me that they want to remain that way.

Some forgiveness and acceptance is part of your journey toward healing. You cannot predict how much is necessary ahead of time, and you don't need to.

I really wanted to find the words to repair my relationship with my family, and I struggle with it constantly. But, it's not in my power to correct... I didn't break our relationship. They did. It's up to them to fix it and they don't even accept that reality.

So, my caution is for you to avoid setting requirements on your recovery.

Thank you so much for you sharing your journey and thoughts on this. You have made a lot of very imortant points and have me lots of food for thought and I really appreciate that.

In your point about forgiving your parents - I don't think it is necessary to have contact or a relationship in any form with abusers whether it be parents or anyone else, unless you do really do want to. I don't. Forgiveness to me will be about letting go of the anger, betrayal, bitterness etc, but doesn't I need to have any contact with them. I agree that forgiving someone and then feeling obliged to be in contact with them could be very damaging and is not something I have, or would suggest.

I don't think repairing a relationship is part of my idea of forgiveness either. For me it isn't about them, it's only about and for me.

And yes, I totally agree that this is a personal choice for everyone, if considering it - a lot of thought has to be given and forgiveness does not need to be part of healing for everyone. The concept does need to be approached with caution and doesn't need to be something that our healing is in the end absolutely dependent on. I agree with you that it shouldn't be a requirement people set in their healing, it should only something to consider at the right time, and only if the person feels it will benefit them personally.

The more I think about my own definition of forgiveness, the more I feel the word itself doesn't meet what most people define as forgiveness. Another word or term does make it more acceptable and more of a sense of not being about the abusers and doesn't give it the negative implications that the term 'forgiveness' can be interpreted as.

I think it is possible for some, not all, to find that level of 'letting it all go' that can give a peace that isn't there if the person is still holding onto it.
 
I didn't break our relationship. They did. It's up to them to fix it and they don't even accept that reality. If I could conquer this last rigid pre-recovery requirement of mine, then I would save myself hours a day of anguish. I just firmly, firmly believed that when I was recovered, I would be back in the fold of my family of origin. I always pictured myself speaking to them again. And, I find it almost unacceptable that I still refuse to communicate with them. That hurts me.

So, my caution is for you to avoid setting requirements on your recovery.

I so get this Muzikluvr.

I've resolved in myself that despite them all thinking I'm the problem, I know it's them, and their actions that broke trust with me. I know they aren't perfect and I don't expect that, but I do expect to be able to at least trust my own parents...and I can't, and don't, and that isn't my fault...it's their actions that caused this.

They have all these wrong thoughts in their heads about why I am actually doing this. Everything they have said to me is totally not the reality of what is going on, and I can't make them see that. They don't want to see that. It's infuriating.

There can be no relationship without trust, and it is up to them to earn that back, but they aren't even trying because they don't even know what they've done, and they won't listen to me when I try and tell them what they have done.

There is nothing else I can do about that. I've done all I can to repair these relationships, and now I am past the point of even wanting to. It's their move...and they aren't moving.

I am dealing with horrible gnawing guilt for making the decision I've made, and it's there with me every day, but they have literally left me no other choice if I am to live a life of integrity and take my own boundaries seriously, and make my feelings and needs as important as theirs.

All this AND I have to deal with them all thinking I'm a cold bitch who has no feelings and doesn't care about them, or love them. Not to mention my friends who disagree with my decision.

It's a horrible position to be in.
 
I think this shows how sometimes trying to repair the relationship is sometimes more damaging. But I don't blame anyone for trying, I think it's admirable that people try and I understand why there is more desire to try when it's your parents. And sometimes, you don't know until you try. And it's a risk, a risk for some that's worth taking and I understand that.

I really feel for people who do try to forgive and repair and get more abuse and feel more guilt.

It is a horrible situation all round, you feel like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I tried for 15 years to still be part of my family, despite having and continue to be abused by my parents. I finally gave up when I realised it was only ever going to hurt me. My family have a lot to say about me, they like to blame me, they like to deflect responsibility. They like to have selective memory. I'm past trying now. But it does still affect me.

It is something I would like to not hold onto forever though. Is that really possible. I don't know until I try later on down the track of healing. Maybe, maybe not and I will need to be okay with whichever way that goes.
 
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