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Any Practical Suggestions? Work, Exhaustion, Spontaneous Si, At The End Of My Rope

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Also, to be honest, I do not understand how you can view your sister as "so wonderful". If she were, she wouldn't be saying and doing the things she's been saying and doing.
Totally agree with prime-no. I think a big problem can be looking for excuses and justification when people do wrong. To automatically feel so used to being blamed that we look for ways that we could be wrong or they could be justified rather than just accepting that their behaviour is wrong. Or digging up every virtue or good deed they have ever done. It's a very dangerous habit to have.

Prime-NO,
Thanks!:)
I actually mistakenly closed the whole site and so could not do control z I am afraid. :confused: Not sure how I managed to do that. Thanks for the warning about the quotation issue. Haven't had that happen thank goodness but shall be forewarned.
 
Abstract, if I may ask, what are the reasons for you to keep up the relationship with your sister? I do realize you said you loved her more than anyone in the world. But are there any other reasons? I am asking because I do not understand. Maybe I should say that I have a cousin who has been struggling very, very much day in day out with her father, mother, our grandfather and all family (all very abusive). I do not understand why she has chosen to keep the relationships up although in words she has expressed all the time how much she has been suffering from keeping them up (although setting up boundaries). Also, I should add, I am aware you are not her, so I am interested in your reasons, if you don't mind sharing.
 
Junebug,
Is this the sister that said such cruel things on seeing her little sisters clothes set alight and her being burned? I have to say that a response like that is extremely troubling to me. It also made me feel very sad for the little you that was so cruelly treated and after a shock like that.
 
Abstract, if I may ask, what are the reasons for you to keep up the relationship with your sister?
Hi Prime-no,
Yes, you may. :)
I was at the point where I was considering breaking it off totally. But I have managed to work it so that I feel safe and still have a relationship with her. So I guess the answer is that I love her and would like to stay in touch if I can do so safely. She is the only one in my family that doesn't make me feel feel like a complete alien. I hope that makes sense. I have my doubts about my mother though. It's hard isn't it?
 
my analogy is if they wind up and hit you with a verbal or otherwise baseball bat when you do, well, a sane person stops.

It's not about us trying to please them to stop them doing so and rather us making sure they know it is wrong and therefore doing things to protect ourselves. What we have to do is be realistic that this is a person that wields verbal baseball bat's at times and that they are not safe. We also have to make it very very clear that it is not OK to hit us with baseball bat's or to threaten to do so. If the person continue's to threaten us or hit with baseball bat's then there is no human reason that we can be responsible for them behaving that way but we do have to decide to avoid them as much as is needed to stay safe.
 
One more thing and then I will stop blabbing. What I realised is that seeing vulnerability or hurt actually triggers (for want of a more accurate word) my sister. I think it remind's her of childhood situations and she has basically told me that when she sees those that she loves vulnerable she gets filled with rage and attacks. I on the other hand find being met by sudden and unexpected rage when I am vulnerable and sharing extremely damaging. Therefore we were in a dance of destruction before.

What I am saying is that some people are not safe to be vulnerable with but that does not at all mean that it is OK to hide who you are and not authentic. Being authentic doesn't mean wearing our hearts on our sleeves or sharing things with people that are unsafe to do so with. It is about respecting ourselves and demanding that other people respect us. How to do that in each individual relationship we have can take some time to work out. All of this takes time to work out and practice so be very patient with yourself.
 
Junebug,
I hate to say this but I would describe your sisters behaviour as emotionally and verbally abusive. The good that someone does or the skills they have do not somehow delete or excuse bad behaviour. I believe that thinking in this way is one of the main things that keeps us trapped in damaging situations. It can be very hard to break the habit when we have been brought up being made responsible for others feelings, behaviour etc as children.

Dear Abstract- and I hope the Moderators will forgive me in advance for quoting so much of your post, though not all of it- as it so hits the mark, that is exactly how it is, how in many ways I feel and think about it, and I feel what is realistically necessary.

Thank you everyone for your support and words of wisdom! As you said Abstract, it is very damaging, I know it is. And I must learn how to support without enabling. Even in the worst times, we give ourselves 'pernission' in essence to do things to others (or not). And I must say, whether it be by my own changes or a miracle or both, the physical abuse that came up subsided, and though the threats can be wicked and graphic (and that's unacceptable too), it's still a vast improvement.

The verbal stuff has been very damaging.

I know it has so many of the earmarks of abuse, it took me a long time to call it that word. It's worst with the drinking, but you are right, even finding space in the house helps a lot. I asked my sponsor that once, if it was avoidance, he said no, just reality (safety).

And the absence of that stuff is so nice! I don't even find my thoughts drifting towards negatives.

No, re: catching on fire (ha, was almost a roasted 'shrimp'), this is a different sister, the other was the eldest (12 years older than me, the next is 10 years older). Stuff like that happened a lot. For 2 months the same one left me at the beach (3 of us lived there for work purposes, I was 5/6, but oddly I managed entirely on my own well. Except I got severly sunburned. I never ever thought of saying anything. )The 2 eldest acted like jerks (not the word I'd use), after many years of struggling to overcome it I accepted it was very toxic, despite every effort it seemed they were of the sole mindset only 'I' (or everyone else) has a problem, never them, and so I carried on, 1200 miles between us helped. Though I mourn the loss and it is acutely painful to be reminded that I don't have a family, the pain is no longer the same. Because toxic so describes it and given the opportunity the same secrets, lies, blame and resentments they bring forward to this day. They just add new ones.

This sister and I were very close, she used to in fact say she thought I was born specifically 'for' her, that is because I was so sweet and we got along so well. She was the one who was responsible, including watching out for me as a child if she was there, and helping my mom (and myself) after my dad died, the other 2 not at all. In fact, quite the opposite. They treated her as they did me. She always acted like the eldest.

But I understand things change, we all change. Why I hang in there, is something a bit beyond me, or words to explain it. In my mind, I would say I know she is a good person, I trust that AlAnon/ AA is telling the truth when they say there is unbearable guilt, I know how I was in my 'rage stage' with ptsd (I don't know if she has it also, she doesn't believe she or I or any 'non-Vet' could). Similarly, I think love is most necessary when least (so-called) 'deserved'. And being that we have no family left- except for the other 2 sisters who act like as*holes, I want to be the one person (if it even turns out to be the only person), who doesn't abandon her. We have also been through much of the same sufferings together. However*, that cannot equate to enabling or destroying me in the process, and that's where I have to learn better ways to deal with it. And not internalize all of it.

Yes, I have always felt responsible for others' feelings. And always tried to get peace. My mom said if she and my dad had a fight I would get between them, or distract them, even when I was less than two. Though I can't recall that.

And thank you, p-no and Abstract and all, because without your help I'd be at a loss. It helps so much. (Was going to go out and shovel- I still might- or wait til the morning without guilt. :) ) I feel much better in general. Don't even totally care what I said (about myself)- so what. We sort of reconciled before she went out of town friday night. We need bigger stress cups, I fear. :(

I love the saying 'reality check' though! That's what I mean by advice. Thank you, xoxoxoxox.

And Abstract, you're right too- it seems to trigger her when I'm happy, or more assertive, or more at peace. And vulnerabilty does equate to emotional battery to follow for me, because it has.

The hard part about being kind, I think the majority of time I am, or gentle (which seems more like a defect or curse), is that (to me) to really be, that has to include the times it's most tempting not to be. I still work on it (probably as long as I live). But you have told me it's also necessary to face facts and do what I need to for emotional and physical etc health. And that that's ok too.

Thank you all so much, :hug:, love to you all.

PS, talk all you want need about your own specifics, eg the sisters, etc- I'm the OP so I can decide and I prefer it that way, please please do! :) Maybe this can help all of us! (I hope). Thanks from 'me', most of all. :inlove:
 
Junebug, I am here listening and supporting. I am sorry you are hurting so much. I wish i could wave a magic wand and resolve this for you but I cannot. Words can really hurt when they come from someone you love. It is a betrayal of your trust and love. That hurts so much. I am rooting for you and cheering you on. take courage. You will find a way. Big hugs.
 
Dear Junebug,

I am glad that did not overwhelm you as there was a lot that I said. May I ask something? You mention that things with this sister got bad at a certain point? Am I understanding that it was physical as well as verbal? Could you share an example of what happened? Only if you feel OK to. I also want to say that the repeated behaviour you have mentioned on here is not OK at all and if I was living with my sister I would be in very big trouble as would I be if I had to deal with this type of behaviour now. My H has his moments but not like this and it would be something I could not cope with now.

I hope you don't mind me asking but have you thought of renting out your half of the house and sharing with someone else? I agree with you bringing up the enabling word as it was very hard for me to start accepting that allowing bad behaviour wasn't only bad for me and was bad for the other person too. So darn scary though and especially when someone has these types of anger issues.
 
It's ok Abstract, you are very kind to take the time. The physical stuff was worst 6 years ago, and maybe for the 2 years or so following it. Directly, I remember her trying to puncj me out once (she was drunk), indirectly the few holes in the walls, doors slammed off the hinges, objects thrown and broken. Rage is the word. It has improved a lot. There have been times she apologized for that.

Yes, I have considered what options I could, because of other factors it's been only about 1 1/2 years that these could be even considered.

What helps a lot is that every second weekend she normally goes out of town to a friend's. There is peace for me in the relief.

I think- other than her having ptsd (and that's a big 'OTHER'), it's the Dr Jeckyl/ Mr Hyde AA's alludes to. I come from long lines of alcoholics (both sides), with incredible alcohol tolerance, some got sober, some not, some were happy, some not. I remember my dad saying he thought he was really thinking straight when he quit drinking, one year later of sobriety he said he realized how 'nuts' he had been when he thought he wasn't. But he almost killed a guy when drunk, with a 2x4, but an off duty cop stopped him and he wasn't charged. He said the cop said, "You know that would have killed him?", and my dad said yes. This was the same person I saw for my own eyes was devastated thinking he might have injured a bird on the ground he stepped on (it was injured already, I think).

Also, my dad was sober my whole life- he quit shortly after I was born and his own behaviour (negative had escalated). My mom said that she told him "she had 2 good hands" and she was leaving (with 4 kids, me as a newborn), no car, and leaving the house behind. And that she loved life and he hated it. He responded that he would have to kill himself because he couldn't live without her, or drinking. My mom said he'd have to do what he had to do, but up to then the kids had respect for him, but now they were asking questions. Everything ultimately worked out, and I know that they had a tremendous and passionate and loving marriage, but my mom also said that she cried herself to sleep many nights the first 14 years. But my dad (afterwards) also said he could never make it up to her. She, (and even 'us'), were very much his world.

I realize though, my sisters had different experiences than I. Part of what helped me for myself to pull back from drinking when the ptsd hit.

Would you believe, most of the heavy drinking started when her and I quit smoking about 8 or 9 years ago? Replaced one addiction with another.

I'll be ok. I can manage much when I introduce positives, or am fortunate enough to receive them. And that self care business.
..Speaking of which, I ate an entire Angel Food cake myself last night, lol. :sick::p

It will be ok Abstract. Especially the more I can get my bearings.
 
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