News New Cops Told To Go Out And Cause Ptsd

[Anarchy]

This thread is highly confusing to me.

I feel it is, well, ridiculuosly tactless to try and victimize the police in a thread by somebody suffering PTSD from police abuse. Come on guys, you all suffer PTSD and can see how @Ed Norton's link must make him feel. There is being rational, being distant, even being coldly detached and then there is being cruel, accidently or deliberatly.

Mallaky, you have stumbled onto one of the big disconnects

Cops are on the one hand portrayed as, and indeed hide behind the image of being impartial functionaries of the state...

Until one gets hurt, then he or she was a loving family person, a gentle soul, etc.

Which are they?

Are they individuals, personally responsible for each and every action?

Or are they unthinking automatons, robotically inflicting force for the clique at the centre of the institution of state?

If, they are the former, why do they so rarely face consequences for the violence they inflict on mundane?

If the latter, why the confusion?

 

[Marie E.]

@FridayJones Hmm, thanks for clearing that up for me, I honestly don't know much about the military lol!

 

[Anarchy]

Everyone's a damn photographer now... something "slips in" for a moment, there is a photo, a tweet, and the www does its thing, disseminating it to the world that quickly. The disgust flows.

In the words of supporters of a panopticon state:
"If they are not doing anything wrong, what do they have to fear?":cool:

 

[Ed Norton]

I have changed my career plans and wish to do emergency medicine in the future, maybe combined Emergency/Internal medicine. And I don't think that I could find a way to make light of a 10 year-old quadriplegic on a vent for life, no matter how stess evoking that may be.

Also, I have seen people get shot, I've watched fire where a mother burned to death with her three children. I saw one plane crash. And a friend of mine fell in front of a train. I saw no humor in those things.

As such I find the 'slogan' inappropriate and inexcusable. No matter what. Ex-military or not, There's no excuse.

I'll probably(at least try) to excuse myself from my thread.

 

[Friday]

I feel it is, well, ridiculuosly tactless to try and victimize the police in a thread by somebody suffering PTSD from police abuse. Come on guys, you all suffer PTSD and can see how Link Removed's link must make him feel. There is being rational, being distant, even being coldly detached and then there is being cruel, accidently or deliberatly.

I happen to like @Ed Norton rather a lot. :)

If, however, someone with medical trauma that I liked rather a lot had posted similar link? Same answers. SOCMOB, TTFU, Law of Inverse Value... Hard jobs have hard humor.

As far as standing up for the decent majority? That's something I'll also do. It's not cruel, or victimizing, to stand up for or to point out that most cops are decent people working a hard job.

Not all -or even most- doctors are rapists, even if someone was sedated in office & raped by one. Not all -or even most- Germans are Anti-Semitic Genocidal Racists, even if you survived Dachau. Not all women -or even most- are evil lying bitches, even if your abuser was a woman. Not all cops -or even most- are sadists on power trips to hurt people. Not all Muslims -or even most- are terrorists, even if you fought a war against an extremist sect. Et cetera. Maaaaaajor et cetera.

Traumatized brains look for patterns, we get Hypervigilent, and prone to grouping things together that don't really belong together. Whether that's the person's job/ sex/ religion/ nationality/ clothing/ etc. It's pretty natural that at some point or another most of us will get pissed the hell off at -or outright terrified of- the whole durn group. Fight & Flight.

No matter how much I like a person? I'm not going to agree that something like cop-humor, or doctor-humor, or half the human race is wrong... When I don't believe it is. At best that's lying (if it's just a difference of opinion), and at worst that's reinforcing some seriously unhealthy thought patterns (if it's a trauma-thing).

Sympathy is a dangerous thing.

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For the record, I've been raped by 3 cops. Super violent not fun. I've lived & worked in countries where there either are no police, or the police are straight up criminal. And I've worked with law enforcement, there are some serious pricks & idiots out there. But they're all still the minority. Empathy I can do. But not sympathy, or lying to make someone feel better, regardless of their motivation. Even if I knew what their motivation was.

 

[Ed Norton]

I still won't be able to personally say 'crispy critters', or refer motorcycle MVAs as organ donors, or even refer to a police officer who comes in with 80% of his body immolated as 'roast pork'..I not gonna be that doctor...EVER!!!

Nobody is all good most aren't all bad. I think that for me I'll let the Lord have the humor...he doth work in mysterious ways

 

[Ronin]

Are they individuals, personally responsible for each and every action?

Or are they unthinking automatons, robotically inflicting force for the clique at the centre of the institution of state?

Neither nor - what's this black & white dichotomy?

They're people. People who have their orders, and situations in which even orders may not be clear, the situation may be clear and the orders very unfitting for it, or a hundred other variations where black and white thinking about motives & natures & acts just does not serve to declutter what's happening at all, even for discussion purposes.

 

[Mallaky]

@FridayJones

I get what you say about humor in those jobs. I myself coped with humor during my two years caring for ill and/or wounded kids from warzones. Humor was essentiall and very natural. Came as easily as breathing. The only people not using humor at that place were bitter, angry people who bitterly and angry tried to banish humour from the workplace, with disastrous results. So, yeah, I agree wholehartedly.

I think this is not the issue at all.

The issue is, that you and other people are using this thread to protect and defend yourself. This is not about @Ed Norton and his pain reading this at all, but it should be. This is about you and others feeling repeatedly diminished by anti-institutional messages and taking this chance to defend yourself. I feel this is problematic. Not the sentiment per se, but the way you went about it. You took his issue and made it your own. You make valuable points throughout but it all seems so beside the real questions:

How does reading that text make @Ed Norton feel? What does he see?
What is the real meaning of that text to @Ed Norton?
How can @Ed Norton cope with it?
Why did @Ed Norton post this?
Can @Ed Norton get something positive out of it?

These are emotional issues. Being cold and detached in a response to these, only because the own emotional response to it is not recognized, is not helpfull. There is something going on here which I percieve as deeply hideous and dangerous. Rationality is not the end all be all to emotional issues. It is a way of coping, a way of dealing, a way of understanding, yes, a good way even. But as soon as it gets used to move away from the emotional core of an issue, it becomes a weapon, a bludgeoning tool to silence those not proficent enough, or not in a position, to answer in kind.

Sympathy is a dangerous thing.

I dont find the words to express how wrong I think this sentence is.
Being skilled at rationalizing behaviour, that is a dangerous thing.

edit: I really dont have another stressfull discussion in me right now, I cant do it. So with this statement I think I too will bow out of this thread. I hope I managed to express myself without hurting anyone.

 

[Anarchy]

They're people

I agree. The black and white dichotomy is the one that the mainstream media portray.

People, do not get a free pass to inflict, what was inflicted on Ed.

Cops in the united state have killed more Americans since 911, than were killed on that day. Most later receive coaching and time to put together their alibis, few of which would ever wash if you or I had just shot and killed someone on the street or in the deceased own home, in the small hours of early morning.

Seperate standards are applied to cops, and their behaviour, as are applied to us mundane individuals. Both in the news media and in law.

Yet when a cop gets hurt, the story for public consumption is one of the principalled individual, the home loving family person.

 

[Ronin]

I agree. The black and white dichotomy is the one that the mainstream media portray.

People, do not get a free pass to inflict, what was inflicted on Ed.

Totally. I'm just opposing simplifications and generalizations in our thinking, and how we are talking about this (and I do realize it's extremely charged topic), I'm not advocating unnecessary infliction of suffering.

 

[Ed Norton]

@Mallaky I truly appreciate your very kind words. As far as use of APPROPRIATE humor, well I'd prefer to laugh with people not at people. Although I do respect other people's spiritual/secular beliefs, I get my personal guidance on the use of humor, again, from the wisdom of King Solomon, in the book of Ecclesiastes.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

 

[Ed Norton]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+59:19&version=KJV