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A Yearning For Betterment Of Health

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CBX9

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Sometimes I get desperate some days. When I'm talking to mom or dad I say things that sound that way. My dad told me look forward to getting better but don't yearn for it. What does he mean? He's always saying, "stay in the moment Jon. Don't think too much or you'll fall back down into the muck and mire or something." The way he interprets things are very religious too since he's catholic I guess. Do you guys sometimes get so desperate to the point of anxiety? I do.
 
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Yeah you might be right about that. I only want to get better. He even called me a selfish brat this one time we had an argument. I wanted to say something back but it would have just been rage so I let it go.
 
Hi CBX9

What I got from reading it is that even though you want to get better sometimes yearning and craving for it and trying to forget the past you forget to focus on what is going on in the present moment.

I suppose you have to learn to live and be happy in the present moment then the yearning will go, because what you yearn for is now with you, and so will thoughts of the past.

I suppose it comes down to ridding your mind of intrusive negative thoughts by focusing on the present moment.

I have read similar teachings through Buddhism and Taoism.

Best wishes
Saffy :)
 
I think your dad is right, but that it is going to be even harder for you to follow through on that than it would be if you didn't have PTSD. Still, the best way to beat PTSD is to focus on the present. Every stressor or trigger that sends you into the past, risks your present by darkening your outlook, your disposition, your assessment of the situation and conversations in the moment.

How can you set aside the past long enough to focus on the present? That takes a lot of work, and then a lot of practice. The work is done by confronting the past. Accepting the consequences of choices you made, and of events that took place. Accepting that life is not always in your control, and that sometimes you made the wrong choice. You have to look at the past, given the constraints of the moment... and not from hindsight. You didn't have hindsight to guide you when the traumas were occurring, and you don't have it guiding you in the present either. I think a lot of the time, I'm trying to predict the future in an effort to prevent further suffering, and it seems only to ensure that certain aspects of my traumas are repeated in my present.

After you go through the work of dealing with the traumas so that you accept them, then you will begin to dismiss the reminders of them. I tend to say things to myself like, "Yes. I know. I dealt with that." I acknowledge the pain of the past, the anger I still feel toward some people, and the resolution that I've come to again and again as I've played it over and over in my mind and always come up with the same answer. It happened. I can't change it now. There is nothing left to do. I'm not there anymore. I'm here now. Life is good now. I am safe now. I can protect myself better now. I have better priorities, better decision making values. All of these beliefs help me set aside the past and ground myself back in the present. I could not have said any of those things before confronting the traumas, accepting them, and accepting that I am not a perfect person - and I still didn't deserve to be traumatized. I deserved to be protected, as anyone else deserves protection. So, basically... this is where the work comes in... It will obviously change based on your traumas.

It takes a lot of practice after the work is done to recognize when you're just being nagged by a repetitive issue. You'll have to do a lot of interrupting of your own thoughts, and before I dealt with my traumas, I struggled for simple awareness of my own thoughts; interrupting them was impossible when I wasn't even aware of them. So, it's not an easy thing to do, IMHO. Also, it is because of the difficulty I've had with it that I often envy people who were raised by good parents. I think that they don't have to confront, and then change, their own thought processes because they instinctively process rational, logical responses to situations which arise in their daily lives.

I've also noticed that I spent most of my life considering the moral, ethical, righteousness, of stuff going on around me. It keeps me focused on the things I have no control over, rather than considering what decisions I can make to improve my life. Oh, the world is a terrible place! People are so cruel to one another, they gossip and laugh at each other's mistakes, they want to just throw away anyone who isn't perfect, etc... It's irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is "What do I want out of life?" "What will make me happy?" "How can I achieve that?" "What's important to me?" "What do I value?" "Why do I value it?" "What outside pressure am I receiving and from whom?"

These are things I can make decisions about, and those decisions will lead to actions... whether those actions will please your dad or not depends on what he's pressuring you to do.

All parents pressure there kids to make certain choices, and all parents have a certain amount of ego involved despite wanting "what's best" for their kids... they kinda want to brag on their kids so what their kids choose often reflects on their own self-worth. Unfortunately, that's just one of those things parents have to figure out is detrimental to their relationship with their kids. This is one of those things that shakes out when kids rebel, which doesn't have to be a violent thing, just an assertive, confident, decision to do what you choose over what your parents strongly suggest.

Anyway.. not sure if any of these things are affecting you right now, but I hope some of what I said helps you figure out how to address your own needs, and relate better with your dad.

Oh, and yes... sometimes I feel so desperate that it fills me with anxiety. That's when depression feels like relief! Bouncing back and forth from anxiety to depression sucks! Still, I'm not perfect and although I know a lot about what helps me break that cycle, I find that living it (actually doing it) is a lot harder than knowing it. Plus, even if I can do it MOST of the time, I'm not going to be able to do it all of the time, so I have to cut myself some slack. Sometimes, that means standing up for my right to go back to bed even when my husband wants me to run errands or clean or do some project instead. Enough is enough, and I have to accept that I am dealing with a lot more stress now that I have PTSD.
 
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I'm actually working on that now and the medication is helping with it. I'm learning that people are just THERE. Not there to harm you or help you just there. Its kinda hard to just feel that way like I'm safe and whatnot but I'm trying my best and its causing some serious pain in my head. Making me tired and stuff.

My relationship with my dad is I don't know we actually had some fights before and he still talks about it with me. It feels like I'm the abusive one now. I even lied to him this one time out of not wanting to hurt his feelings but he figured out about it and talks to me about that too. I HAD a life man a good one but for some reason trouble just follows me wherever I go. I'm just trying to keep my head up and move on so I can progress with my life.

Believe it or not I understand what your saying. I need to be more confident, assertive and know that there are those who love me right? I have all the tools and support I need but finding my inner self, discovering who I really am behind all this crap is the hard part.
 
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No one can really relate unless they experience what you have. So talk to them about it. May surprise you. I like my boyfriend but want him to call more to talk too. But he's a bit shy and short on attention.
 
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y dad told me look forward to getting better but don't yearn for it. What does he mean? He's always saying, "stay in the moment Jon. Don't think too much or you'll fall back down into the muck and mire or something."

Hey CBX9,

He, he - just now, just a momement ago, I had a "light bulb" moment" -
If your dad said, "Be in the moment" and you were to reply, "What do you mean when you say that, dad?" (you know, in a sort of instinctual, curious, honest impulse kind of way that comes from really wanting to understand soemthing?), well, you'd then be in the moment. Does that make sense?

I think you're dad's actually on to something when he says those kinds of things to you. ;)

One of the best things (whether somebody's got PTSD or not) is to live in the moment. That doesn't mean you get to do what you feel like doing when it happens to occur to you. It means accepting the past. It just is. There is nothing you can do to change it.

It means being aware of your feelings, your thoughts, sensations that your body feels, and your surroundings and your personal sense of will (or lack of it), so that when that special person is across the room your body picks up on the chemistry, lifts your right foot then your left one and walks over there, and your thoughts come up with something to say that's helpful (rather than repulsive) - while your emotions feel fearful and foolish, and despite the fact that your heart is beating really hard and your head is feeling a wee bit dizzy.

Is this making any sense to you?

Drew
 
So whenever I get these kind of impulses you're saying that I should act on them?

No, not "whenever". It depends on the impulse. The trick is to know when and how to act on an impulse and learning that depends on understanding yourself and having correct perception about what is going on around you. Anger can be a powerful emotion that can motivate change. It is not “bad” but one needs to learn how to use it for “good”. If anger is repressed, it often piles up and gets expressed at other times. It can come out in road rage, hurting others, etc. Or turns into depression that’s easy to get stuck into.

With anger, sometimes space is needed, (i.e. space between the anger, you, and the other person) so things don't escalate. In an earlier post you said your dad called you a selfish brat, you felt angered, but you didn't say something back to him because if you did it would have come out as rage. In that situation you felt the anger; you perceived that expressing rage towards your dad wouldn't be helpful, so your brain over rode the emotion.

In your earlier post you wrote, "I let it go”. Did you really let it go? Or did what your dad say still kind of bother you? My guess is what he said hurt, and it still kind of hurts. Name calling hurts, in general.

If you need to walk away so the rage doesn’t spill out, do so. Then, after you’ve calmed down some, be honest with yourself and the other person. Go back and say something truthful but non unkind, like "I felt very angered when you called me a selfish brat and I wish you wouldn't call me names." Doing this might seem silly and rather artificial at first, but it is being assertive. It strengthens your ability to be honest with yourself and other people without hurting them, which will help build your confidence.

When you do this, three things could happen:
  1. The person comes back with “Well, you are a selfish brat!” Just let it go and admit it. “Yep, I am a selfish brat, sometimes.” In truth, every person on the planet is selfish, sometimes.
  2. The other person makes an excuse and blames you. They’ll say, “Well, if you didn’t blaa blaa blaa then I wouldn’t have called you a ____.” If that happens, drop the issue. It is no use arguing. It will only frustrate you. Just say, in a neutral tone, something like, “I’m just telling you I don’t like being called names and I wish you wouldn’t do it.” (See? You are still speaking your truth!)
  3. Sometimes the person may hear and understand what you said and apologize. Your honesty gives the other person the opportunity to recognize their behavior and change (if they want to). Your honesty plus their honesty (given with respect) is what helps to build bonds between people.
The more you accept yourself just as you are, with all your different parts, and without judgment, the more you won’t be as bothered by what other people say. And you’ll have more emotional and mental freedom to do other things. The stuff that you really want to do with your life!

About responding to your dad when you don’t understand what he says. If you have the impulse in the present moment to really want to understand what he’s trying to say, just be honest. Just say, “Dad, I don’t get what you’re saying. Can you explain what you mean in another way or give me an example?” Notice the underline and bold. It’s important to ask for clarification this way otherwise the person just repeats themselves and you still won’t get it. Even if the person responds differently, you still may not get it, but that’s okay. It’ll then be time to move on to the next moment. There's no use in worrying about it.

The last thing I want to say about being in the present (and being in touch with yourself) is that doing real things that involve your body and senses (as opposed to watching t.v. or playing video games and spending long hours on the internet) really helps. Sometimes, you have to push yourself not to isolate. And as you do, that will give you more confidence also.

Los Angeles is a wonderful playground! Do some different things that you maybe haven’t thought of, or haven’t done for a while, or stuff that’s crazy but harmless. Get out of your head. If you have a cell phone or camera, go to the Walk of Fame on Hollywood Boulevard and take a picture of yourself with every “wannabe” imposter, during the day of course. Go to the Santa Monica pier or the Redondo Beach pier and rent a rod. See what you can catch, and talk to the old geezers down there. Go to the Self-realization Fellowship Center on Sunset, then take a bus to Sunset beach and play in the sand and the ocean. Look up from the beach to the big white mansion on the cliff a little to the north (at the signal). It is the former home of millionaire J. Paul Getty and it's a free museum filled with incredible art, which very few people know about. Tonight, if you can, go outside (or better yet, go up to the observatory) around 8:30 and you’ll be able to see the International Space Station cross the path of Los Angeles about 9:00p.m. Look towards Redondo Beach! All these things are FREE.

You’re 21. You’re what I call a “boy-man”. You’re in process of letting go of your childhood and moving into adulthood. This is a process that each of my three sons went through. Part of that process deals with separating from your parents. In the process you’ll figure out your truth, who you are and who you want to become. This is perfectly “normal” as is having PTSD due to trauma. PTSD symptoms can be managed. You’re incredibly smart for searching out to this forum, for asking for support from other resources, and you’re courageous!

Peace,
Drew ;)
 
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