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Any Practical Suggestions? Work, Exhaustion, Spontaneous Si, At The End Of My Rope

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Oh Dear Abstract, how kind! I am just glad, something maybe good came out of something that was disturbing.

What's really disturbing is not feeling like having any way to deal with it! I am glad there is a way. I am very thankful.

And thank you for bearing with me, and spelling it out, and always being there and being so kind and taking the time! I know it's something that should be 'easy' for someone to know how to deal with, but it's not so easy when we have certain histories. :hug:

And would you believe it, I slept the WHOLE night through, wow. :)

Much love to you, :inlove: :hug: , xox.
 
Oh I so agree Junebug!

I especially find that when I feel trapped or have not been able to put boundaries down that my suicidal thoughts get immediately worse.

I know it's something that should be 'easy'
Oh my goodness! Not easy at all and not obvious. It took me absolute years of therapy working on this stuff with therapists. Very patient ones!

I am sorry as looking back I sound like I was telling you what to do. :oops: I think it was because I was trying to answer you quickly and spoke like I was speaking to myself.

I am sorry as I misunderstood and thought it was your friend and confidant! I am glad it wasn't your friend. And sorry you have to deal with this cr*p at work everyday.

I can see why you would not want to say "we are just friends"! That it is some manipulative and dodgy guy makes all the difference. Use the words that feel appropriate and strong enough to you.

I think you have done such a wonderful job as you have not blamed yourself!!! That is such a big step. :joyful:

Yes these creeps tend to use the language you describe and it heaps more baggage on our heads. They are responsible for their actions and for the emotional abuse ie the manipulative behaviour.

gone against my gut instinct it's because I've felt sorry (for them)
Normally I would just feel sympathetic, or even just try to be.
I totally relate to slipping into empathy or concern and therefore not putting up proper boundaries. I think reacting like this is learned behaviour. And I had to unlearn it essentially.

And I realize more, too, once again I didn't acknowledge what was bothering me (this), but ended up all stressed-out and afraid and feeling physically and mentally like crap
This is so good Junebug! I love all the important realisations you are having. I remember when I first started realising this. Now if I start feeling terrible I look at everything that happened that day. I look for triggers and if I am triggered and I look for if I am not aware of what I am feeling about something and therefore not taking appropriate actions.
way more assertive
this time I didn't bite
to say they were wrong. They were wrong in what they did, or tried to do.
I have rights too
I slept the WHOLE night through, wow
Oh wow wow wow! :happy:

You are a super star. I can't believe how brave you and how far you have come. Once it has worked once I think its easier to see a way forward. It was and is a bumpy ride at times still as it takes practice but it does get easier in the long term I have found. I found dealing with family the most demanding/difficult. Maybe because there was a long history and that brought up certain challenges.

You did this Junebug and noone else and you should be proud.

I will/ can
I totally and utterly believe you can! It takes hard work and perseverance but it so is something that you can do and are doing.
 
Oh dear Abstract thank you! And don't worry about being direct- I am very glad you said what you did as that was exactly what I meant asking. I saw it after, but it gives me exactly the template (and words) that I will use if necessary. I wuld not adopt them for my own unless I agreed. And I never blame anyone for advice, it's my responsibilty what I choose. But it was great advice and I am so thankful. :inlove:

It went good again yesterday, I wasn't my 'norm' of terrified and filled with dread to have to face him- some trepidation but a wee bit of more confidence. I hate to use the word (personal) 'power' as that's not really indicative of how I felt but at some level more ability to protect myself? It is (was) a wonderful feeling! :hug:

I realize something too, it's important to me to try to put into practise what I believe- there's not much use to believing without practical application I figure. So I try not to judge, forgive stuff, see things from other sides. Also, to take responsibility for what I have or haven't done (like I said, I gave him a hug before, so.. ? :( ).

But I think now I can say, and therein lies the big difference, that there is a difference between taking my own responsibility versus somone else doing something wrong. Which doesn't mean I'm judging or condemning them, it just means I don't have to take it. And your words provide a distinct way and clear communication how not to.

Because I know it sounds stupid as to not know how to defend one's self, but when I think in retrospect I'm like a person who's 'bloomed (or not) where I'm planted", I've just taken what's occurred. I'm shocked looking back at how 'normal' my relationships and interactions have been with normal people, and how poorly they've been with abusive etc ones. I think, too, it's because those who are going to do or have done the worst never respect (our) bondaries- we even know without trying that they won't. And even if we assert the boundaries, when we (I) know in my heart there is no way out or consequence if (when) my boundary is violated, even asserting it I know won't be that helpful. Also, I find the other person sometimes ignores it- 'pretends' it hasn't been said or twists it around and says (explicitly) "What?..", and doesn't acknowledge what they're doing- like total denial even when I've said it directly and it's totally obvious and wrong. Very scary. So it's wonderful when there is a way to stop that! So, "yay"! :)

I have even come to the point (tentatively), to think I don't attract the 'weirdos' specifically, it's just that they can (and know) they can slip threw the cracks easier. If they aren't very nice, they use the explanation it is (therefore) my fault. But I have a suspicion that type might always blame someone else. (As in, you 'made' me do it. :( )

But, it's not a 'bad' thing on my part to feel compassionate, 99% of people tell me thank God you are. But for a long time I felt maybe it is still somehow my fault. Or all my fault.

Hee- oh dear Abstract, a person here calls me 'Estrallia" (sp?)- 'little star'. I like that, not because it's s 'STAR!' but just a little one- a *star*, lol. :) I'm quite content just with that. There are billions and billions. :)

Nope, it's 'teamwork' that's made it possible. :) ((((((((Sweetest Abstract))))))))))). Big :hug: .
 
Dear Abstract, I forgot to say, because I was so rushed too, and (but) I think maybe its important, far as kisses go, I wasn't meaning the kind of spontaneous soft kiss on the cheek or such, if you know what I mean. Don't quite have the words, but I have a tendency (sometimes) to minimize (in words) the 'bad' things, though I'm trying to correct that (like I recall describing a guy as giving me a 'weird' card- he actually had a death threat in it- well, the cops took it as such though I wasn't quite sure(?), or 'abuse' or negative words (in my words) might refer to: "I'm going to kill you" and "I'm going to cut your head off as you sleep", or a 'perv', well, I guess is more than 'pervy', ie attempted rapist, etc.).

Anyway, I just meant to say, I realize (and especially for 'us', here), that many people have expressed on the forum that even some things like a handshake are triggers and such, and I totally understand and respect that. But this wasn't 'little'. Mind you, neither was it a 'huge' threat, by any definition, just so wholly, entirely and completely innappropriate and unwanted, too. "Creepy", is the word! Ugh. And most of all, certainly no reciprocation or appropriateness or anything else! In fact, I personally think when the other person tries physical stuff and/or continues when they get the opposite reponse, there's something weird about that. It's not 'normal', if you know what I mean. And there ARE verbal and non-verbal messages. I will work on my own assertiveness, the verbal part.

It's still a relief, however, to know that though up to me to find a voice, it's not my fault that someone does something wrong to begin with, I think I can safely say this would qualify as violating most people's personal boundaries and wouldn't have been expected. Well I sure didn't expect it! :(

So I think that makes it a bigger accomplishment (and definitely I have less fear having to see him again), to be able to have addressed it. Kind of a ridiculous thing, but definitely a stressful thing considering he's at work. Not sure but think this is the first time I haven't blamed myself 100%. I think he's been manipulating me, actually, or I don't think I would have actually been that sympathetic, to be honest. It's been going on for months. Because now that I'm standing up for myself I think I'm seeing true and different colors from him (a bit of a meaner streak).

It isn't a crime to be soft-hearted, though, either. It's just recognizing (for me) when that's "ok" to be and sometimes when it's better to not exactly be (so much).

Thank you so much!!! :hug:
 
And I'm not sure, how I so fear good people who would never hurt me, but get misled or give the benefit of the doubt to the very people who are the opposite! :(
 
I don't know how something as profoundly stupid as this happening, could throw me off so.

For an accomplishment, I've managed to self-sabotage myself all day, last night too. And likely my weekend to come. And my body feels like h*ll, it's doing weird things.

Honestly, the cure seems worse than the disease. :(
 
I don't know how something as profoundly stupid as this happening, could throw me off so.
I can totally see why and it is not stupid at all. It is horrible in and of itself and when others have hurt us in the past then things like this are potentially significant triggers.

Often I find I think I am fine and then there is an aftershock and delayed affect.

the cure seems worse than the disease.
Do you think its the doing something different that is bringing up difficult feelings or do you think it is the effect of having had a sicko ignore your wishes and be totally inappropriate. And having to see him at work everyday.

completely innappropriate and unwanted....a stressful thing considering he's at work
I am so glad you are saying how it is. Yes, when people ignore our wishes and persevere then it is a sinister sign I believe.

bigger accomplishment ...to be able to have addressed it. ...Not sure but think this is the first time I haven't blamed myself 100%. I think he's been manipulating me
That is such a good step Junebug. I can truly see what you are saying. And yes I think they are usually experts at manipulation.

I read somewhere that growing up in difficult situations can result in us having skewed boundaries. If we have healthy boundaries then we can have flexible lessor ones when its appropriate and strong ones when appropriate. But when we have been taught to have the opposite or if we have not been allowed boundaries or our own needs then it can misfire. Its strange isnt it?

I hope you feel better soon.
 
I hope you are OK ish Junebug. Remember it is fine to speak about anything you want or need to. Or not. There is no wrong or right and you feel what you feel and that is OK.

This is about your personal journey and nothing else.
 
Dear Abstract, thank you for caring and asking, when none of it feels warranted. Profoundly stupid but profoundly disturbing, some trigger so gross when someone you'd never want kissing you etc is. Yuck.

No, I think (I know) I was very happy to do things differently, sorry I didn't sooner. Yes most difficult is seeing him daily. But I made out good on the 3rd day in a row, too. He was angrier still. It's awkward.

Yes, still feel crappy, worse tonight. My body is a weird barometer. I am trying to stop detsroying myself, though. Definitely triggers that inclination.

I agree, yet don't understand, about boundaries. I would have had a stricter boundary, if I had realized that the nice things he had done prior, were not indicative of how he would act later, or being disingenuous (a mean streak). Not sure how I was to do that differently. Except to blanket not-trust anyone.

Thank you for your kindness. Alway always always.

Sometimes, do you wonder, if things would be just easier to go along with what others want, or act like? Because not doing so, seems as difficult or worse. Or, just to go back to "zero-ptsd-knowledge-just-make-the-best-of-it", kind of living?

I sometimes feel not like a human or of any worth but like a volleyball in some others' game, it only stops when I get knocked into the net or smacked out of bounds or they stop for a while. It must be my fault or lack of boundaries, because I am nothing special but get an innordinate number of that type.

I hope you are ok Abstract, you are always giving but get so little back in return. Though you are loved and appreciated, but still, it's not really enough. Big big hugs to you, ((((((Sweet Abstract)))))).

Thanks Abstract, :hug: .
 
I just wonder, perhaps life does not become, nor need to become, hopelessly unbearable due to the blanket of inevitable ptsd intrusions. I mean, triggers and the fall-out are inevtiable, sometimes. Like this situation.

That is different, however, than equating it to sucking-(me)-down-into-the-pit-black-tar-quicksand, which is how I feel about ptsd at times like these.

However, I was not the initiator. Perhaps with or without strong boundaries it still could happen. But most of all, I think I've learned, just as bad people (treatment) or experiences occur but that doesn't mean everyone or even most people are untrustworthy, trustworthy experiences with some people doesn't make it accurate to let one's guard down that much, or pehaps across-the-board. Not really very good at describing it, cannot find the words, but what I mean is, what I noticed was everyone felt 'creepy' afterwards. Even strangers, so many smiled at me today and right away I felt hyper-vigilant and uncomfortable. Or maybe I should say, non-strangers, too. And at one point, I was in a position they asked for 'volunteers'- OMG I could have ran. I know that's (all) just because of this, trigger(s), not feeling well.

But I woke up thinking, well, things could be a lot worse, I don't mean in regards to this, just reminded of one detail for example that could be horrific but is manageable, that is could be a crisis and a death etc, but today, this moment, isn't. I don't want to speak too soon, not because of 'magical thinking' but simply knowing it *can* happen, or (and) it's happened in the past. Anyway, I just mean, it isn't. That, and many other things, are cause to celebrate. In fact, prior to this happening, I was thinking thank God it's so much 'easier' to try to quit smoking these last few days- easier schedule, supervisor was in good mood (I'm not carrying some fear through the weekend), and I'm off til monday. This- well this is just 'this'. Yes, it's ptsd (or past experience) exascerbated, and boy- the inclination is to want to wish I could disappear or wish this whole life was over. But why, in that it's just someone else's actions. And that's what I mean, too, thankfully, I know people who don't act like he did, so not only would I rather concentrate on 99 positives versus one negative. But also, because they are different, I can't assume others are all therefore different, ie trustworthy.

I realize, too, it started at Christmas. I thought Christmas was difficult, it was that. That was when I should have understood the boundaries (mine) were getting squashed. It was by inches, not miles, but I think it was intentional on his part. Because he's still doing it even now, and it was from then on I went against my better judgment.

I think that's part of my trust problem(s): I seem to have some idea that 'trust' is something one either has to apply to all, or apply to no one. Instead of recognizing who I can, or who I just can't. Because it's earned- individually.

And also, as regards worry in advance, my (decent) friend said "don't worry", as regards awaiting the outcome of something I asked him to size up. It didn't mean the outcome would be good (necessarily), but not to worry what the outcome would be. Maybe just "not to worry", like he said.

I DO worry about standing up for myself. Though I don't regret it.

And it's not all self-sabotage, these things make me (physically) sick now, sometimes violently I hate to admit, and then that sabotages what I have planned.
 
Yet, it takes a monumental leaf of faith for me to trust somebody. 'Trust' is not the accurate word I mean here- to trust a stranger.

It's more like, when I am feeling better (ironically), I presume everyone has only good intentions, it doesn't cross my mind they would or could have any other kind.

Which might explain why in 2008 I didn't really see it coming, as I recall feeling better than I had for 2 or 3 years. And also, I went against my gut feeling then, not to hurt his feelings (just like now/ this).
 
Thank you Abstract, not sure if you're 'out there', but to thank you, I feel a little better.

For the record, I don't think that person is a 'terrible person', but, well, just had in mind something more pre-meditated (?, can't think of another word), than I was ever aware. In that way, not nice. Not thinking of me, at all, but himself.

Somewhere I saw, nimkekaa said progress is very small. It takes a long time, traumas don't happen overnight, neither does getting a little better. (Thank you nimkekaa, if you ever see this. (((((Hug))))). )

All my life I thought I had been through nothing whatsoever, and was terribly embarassed to have to reveal even small things, even though they were no fault of my own. Or my throat would close up (literally)- words didn't come or I'd have to cough. Still do. Used to notice that, even when I thought it didn't affect me at all.I always wondered why.

Maybe I not only not "don't have to progress", but it might take me a lifetime, of baby steps. (PS, I hate double negatives, just brain can't express it today). I hope that makes sense. Thank you for your patience, kindness, encouragement (when I can't stand being in my own skin, especially), and support. :hug: :inlove:
 
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