Attached To A Weapon.

[Jimmy1]

It is about where you hit them, but then again, with a 7.62, it did not matter really where you hit them for the damage to be done. But then again, getting shot anywhere would suck.

f*ck I hate violence now

 

[reddevil1111]

You might think the 5.56 works. When you enter an area with lots of vegatation or if you need to clear a trench or house or stop a car ot truck...try it and then tell me 5.56 is ok. I have and its shit. I have also seen .308 go through a truck, a wall and sandbags where the 5.56 wouldnt.
Its great on a range. It also works in a wide open area. But the stopping power of the .308...
The .223 is a wildcat of the .222 the .308 is a .30 cal bullet. Sit the 2 next to each other and look at them. Really? you still like the 5.56? Where did you learn to shoot? Is it the lack of recoil that you like?
Put it another way: You show up at a gun fight with a .22 and I bring a .357sig...(or a .40)if you dont know that round.
We both stand 30 feet away. Do you think you could kill me? Lets talk about 5 feet away but there is a cinderblock wall between us. Who Wins that one?
I can aim a weapon. I know I can and I did it well. And the caliber meant little to me. The training I had taught me proper breathing control, understanding how to properly use both iron sights and scopes. I also learned shooting positions and the proper way to brace and fire. I learned to aim and hit what I aimed at.
I have shot and used a large group of weapons both US, NATO and Soviet Block and even some WW2 weapons from Germany. I used to be a FFL Gun Dealer. I sold class 2 and 3 weapons as well.
I think the .556 is a fun gun to shoot but just like I wouldent want a hk mp5 for anything past 150 meters, I dont think the .223 is a decent round. Maybe for Praire dogs but not for combat. Just like the m-16/m-4 is junk as well.
You can think what you like but I dont think you have used many weapons or I think your opnion might be a lot different.

 

[Ned]

I use a 5.56mm/.223 on foxes. I use 7.62mm/.308 on deer. And .303 British (.30 cal) is a very accurate round and all the horror stories about recoil are bollocks, despite a 174 grn bullet.
.30 cal is my choice. Targets fall when hit.

 

[Jimmy1]

I was not allowed near weapons during my last year serving. They said I was at risk to myself and others. WTF.

Once we move to the country I am going to get a nice rifle, but I am also going to make sure I have a good gun safe.

 

[Wagon]

I liked my old hunting guns when I grew up. Had a Remington 1100 semi auto 12 gauge. Awesome gun for birds, all types. Also a .22 Remington semi auto with a scope. Great for squirrel and rabbit. The scope was flip side so you could use it at night. Used to sit out on a cold full moon and wait for the rabbits to come to daddy. (kill the wabbit)
For larger game I had a Winchester 30/30 lever action. Fantastic gun for heavy forest and under brush as it was so short. Aslo good if you had to climb a tree. Perfect for deer.

Of course in the military all our weapons were ship based. On the Battleship we had 9 x (or 6 depending on the ship) 16" 50 cal guns. 12 x 5" 38 cal. guns. 4 x vulcan phalynx 20mm Gatling guns. 32 x tomohawk missiles, 16 x harpoon missiles, and the awesome SLQ 32. Cook a raw steak on your plate at 200 miles. 3million watts of energy in active mode.
We could basically flatten a major city in half a day. If we didn't kill ourselves first.

 

[reddevil1111]

And the H&K 416 is considered an assault weapon that meets the importation ban. :

1989- "Foreign assault weapons ban began." No more semi-automatic rifles that had bayonet lugs, muzzle brakes, pistol grips, and grenade launching attachments (SKS exempt) could be imported in that configuration

1993- no more "assault pistols" could be imported (i.e. no more Uzi's).

1994- Domestic "assault weapons ban" began, sunset in 2004. The overall crime bill that bans any Chinese, East Asian (S Korea/Japan exempt) firearms and ammo from being imported and heavily regulates Russian imports (no more handguns or Dragunov rifles from them) is still intact. Hence why Chinese rifles are at a premium and still continue to rise. Glad I got mine.

1998- Bans any semi-automatic rifle that can take a capacity greater than 10 rounds since "it is not considered sporting to need more than 10 rounds." The study conducted by the Treasury Department, I kid you not, got these ridiculous regulations from high-end, expensive, hunting brochures from the rich saying "they don't use semi-automatics or AK-47's to hunt with"

. Elitism much? This policy still stands today.

2005- Bans any barrels used for military rifles/machine guns. That means that all the barrels that are here now are only going to increase in price. That is why many builders of foreign kits are using inferior U.S. barrels to original factory barrels because it is now getting harder and harder every year to find originals plus they are not getting any cheaper.
So Answer me this, the H&K is not an issue weapon in the US Military or the UK. So What military were you part of in Iraq? My second question is : Why did you say you bought an H&K 416 When you returned to the US? They are banned from importation to the USA. Then you claimed to have bought another AR-15 rifle. I only ask as something makes me think you are on here messing with us. Did you really join the Military and spend time in Combat? Or are you writing a paper for school and thought this would be a good subject? I can't help but doubt you, your first few postings are very different than most of us in here.

 

[Ned]

It has less to do with what you hit them with than where you hit them.

Mmm. And how precise are you in a scrap? 'Cos I'm not and I have 30+ years experience of it. Basically I'd rather stick with a boring old problem-solver than get technical. Just my opinion but forget your fancy model numbers and look at what happens on the target.
PS, all auto rifles are gas-piston so why did you mention it?

Tootle-pip!

 

[reddevil1111]

He mentioned that but I think he wanted to say it was a piston (sealed) recoil system rather than the buffer and spring most AR platforms use. It is in vogue for the AR as its gets more sales going. (new thing) But its not any better than the spring IMO. We used to fill the hole in the stock with a good 1-2 inches of axle grease. It kept the recoil spring from making noise and it also smoothed up the action some. It did make a bit of a mess if you used too much.
It's the little things like using a bit of intertube on the T&E for the m-60 on a tripod to help it seat properly ...thats the stuff you only learn from using them a lot.
And I will say that the times I spent in combat 3 things always happened:
1 the real need to piss right then (I was always scared at that moment)
2 I would breathe much more rapidly
3 time seemed to stop and things went into slow motion. I regained my control of aiming and situational awareness when this happened but it took 2-3 seconds for it to kick in. I would have sworn some conflicts were hours long but were only 10-15 minutes. I 3ould lose my voice from shouting and be very thirsty afterwards. Not to mention the shakes and rapid talking as the let down happened afterwards.
There is no better high than living through combat the first time.

 

[Jimmy1]

In Australia we have some pretty tough gun laws. It does not stop people getting them though. You can either buy them on the black market, or just join a gun club.

I really want a gun when we move out to the country, but at the moment my dearest future wife does not like weapons of any type. Damn it.

 

[LSUTigerfan]

Mmm. And how precise are you in a scrap?

Very precise, actually. It is a matter of training, training, training.

PS, all auto rifles are gas-piston so why did you mention it? The standard M16 platform rifles like the M4 are gas impingement guns, not piston guns like the L1A1. The gas travels up the tube and hits a cup/key on the bolt carrier that drives it back to cycle the system. All the gas with its carbonized powder fouling gets dumped onto the bolt and carrier. It is a dirty, labor intensive system, but it works if you keep up with it. The M16 platform "piston guns" have a gas piston, like the L1A1, and is runs cooler and cleaner for longer.

 

[LSUTigerfan]

So Answer me this, the H&K is not an issue weapon in the US Military or the UK. So What military were you part of in Iraq? My second question is : Why did you say you bought an H&K 416 When you returned to the US? They are banned from importation to the USA. Then you claimed to have bought another AR-15 rifle. I only ask as something makes me think you are on here messing with us. Did you really join the Military and spend time in Combat? Or are you writing a paper for school and thought this would be a good subject? I can't help but doubt you, your first few postings are very different than most of us in here.

I didn't realize this was a penis measuring contest, but do your f*cking homework. It obvious you don't know as much as you think you know. I refuse to defend myself to some f*cking know it all asshole. I came here hoping for something helpful. I'm sorry I made the mistake of entering this conversation. I have no doubt you are not half the killer you make yourself out to be.

 

[reddevil1111]

Yeah. Maybe you do belong in here after all. You have the asshole part down pat.