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Attachment Issues

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Totally. I agree totally! I'm really terrible - I hardly have a life of my own.

Your post has made me realize the following: Let's imagine one could quantify connectedness/availability, and that 20 units would be good, 30 units would be wonderful, and 50 the best ever. I realise that I hover between 20 and 30, and where the quality is not good enough, I try to make up with time, in other words simply being there and not doing anything 'selfish', which makes me resentful, and which prevents me from going over 30. That sort of thing.

Oy. You're right!
 
Pencil,

Couldn't find much on disorganized. Did find stuff on Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD). I see myself in RAD. How is disorganized much different?

Complications of reactive attachment disorder can continue into adulthood and can include:

Delayed learning or physical growth
Poor self-esteem
Delinquent or antisocial behavior
Relationship problems
Temper or anger problems
Eating problems, which can lead to malnutrition in severe cases
Depression
Anxiety
Academic problems
Drug and alcohol addiction
Unemployment or frequent job changes
Inappropriate sexual behavior

I think we both may have had an "ah-ha" moment there, eh?

Damn why can't they teach this stuff in some sort of online class before you have a baby?? Lol. "Parenting for the Unqualified, Disorganized and Unfit 101," just show up and you will make an A.
 
Hi Raven

Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD) is used mostly for kids and adolescents I think.

Initially I wouldn't believe I had a disorganised attachment pattern because I did not display juvenile delinquent behaviour. I have to admit though that I did show some sort of problems as the school took me to the child guidance centre at the university. BUT, I suffered from extremely severe depression between the ages of 11 - 16 - so perhaps I didn't have the energy for delinquency :)

Do you relate to that?

"Parenting for the Unqualified, Disorganized and Unfit 101,"
I love that!
 
Attachment Style Parental Style Resulting Adult Characteristics
Secure
Aligned with the child; in tune with the child’s emotions
Able to create meaningful relationships; empathetic; able to set appropriate boundaries

Avoidant
Unavailable or rejecting
Avoids closeness or emotional connection; distant; critical; rigid; intolerant

Ambivalent
Inconsistent and sometimes intrusive parent communication
Anxious and insecure; controlling; blaming; erratic; unpredictable; sometimes charming

Disorganized
Ignored or didn’t see child’s needs; parental behavior was frightening/traumatizing
Chaotic; insensitive; explosive; abusive; untrusting even while craving security

Reactive
Extremely unattached or malfunctioning
Cannot establish positive relationships; often misdiagnosed

Honestly, when I first looked at "attachment theory", my gut said, "what an indistinguishable crock of sh*t!" Considering all the overlap and few can coherently explain it (I have yet to see one give simple explanations besides secure and otherwise), I'm gonna stick with the "what an indistinguishable crock of sh*t!" You either have secure attachment or you don't. My advice would be to focus on symptoms not disorders. Just my two cents.
 
Secretly, Pencil, I probably fear that my son will one day think I am unworthy as well which makes the perpetual wheel keep spinning.

All kids want is for someone to love them, spend time with them, and validate their feelings and truly listen. You could be a monster and they would never know the difference. In some truth, that is all any of us really want. I guess that is why children are easy prey bc they want attachment and look for it in anyone who pays them any attention.

Major conversation for me today! Thanks!
 
Rumors, I feel like an idiot for agreeing with everything you say, but I do.

I also have this constant nagging fear that my daughter is finding me inadequate, and she's only 7! And realising that the fear, and the consequences of the fear, - the withholding, the distance, etc. are more damaging than honest, outright mistakes.

Besides - if I think she finds me inadequate, what measure do I use, and what measure do I imagine she is using? :alien:

I have to thank you for the conversation !
 
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Raven, this gives the big picture I think. Disorganised behaviour starts half way down. I believe that a very small percentage of children who have disorganised attachment develop reactive attachment disorder. So in other words Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD) falls under disorganised I think.

Oops. I did not see the other posts on this.
 
It has made me think as well, Pencil. No doubt I think we are harder on ourselves than our compassionate little kids would be. Lol.
 
Nothing anyone has said on this forum has touched me as much as this
Forgive me if I'm getting soppy, but I realise it's not only on this forum, I actually mean anyone in a long long time except for the therapist.

Okay, I'll stop now. :)
 
But I guess my question is, do you attach without meaning, content, sharing, and interaction bc of some pre-destined thought that everyone will eventually leave?
Rumors, sorry, here's a belated answer to your question: No, it is not that - it is that I somehow don't know how to.
 
Rumors,

"But I guess my question is, do you attach without meaning, content, sharing, and interaction bc of some pre-destined thought that everyone will eventually leave?"

If you do believe they'll leave, which I believe myself, that's a self-worth issue. If they see the real me, they'll leave. In my life, I was constantly told I was worthless and everybody did leave/neglected me/abandoned me (no romantic attachments for me), so I have good reason to believe that. I do know I didn't "attach" to anyone, ever. I looked at my mom as a kid and knew down deep she didn't love me. My sperm donor and brother were way more important than me.

Maybe the reason we don't have relationships that are meaningful has more to do with the negative messages we ended up believing about ourselves rather than this attachment theory. It seems far more simple to find why we do what we do and try and fix that rather than fit in some diagnosis. C'mon, something like 50% are misdiagnosed anyway. It just seems to me, since it's that bad, they don't know what they are doing.

And, by the way, that's Shame you learned.

"At the core of all wounds is athought / belief that we are not good enough, that we are bad, that we’ve done something wrong. This thought seed usually gets planted in us as children when our energy fields are wide open and we are scolded for doing something or being a certain way. This generally comes about from innocently rocking the boat of a caregiver and unconsciously triggering their unhealed wounds, which then gets projected out onto us.

Most of us were conditioned to believe that it isn’t okay to feel our feelings, especially the really strong emotions that threatened our caregivers’ world when we expressed them. So, sometimes unconsciously and with good intentions, they did whatever they could to influence us to bury the feelings.

I know I wasn't allowed feelings, period. I wasn't even allowed needs (see Needs below).

Then, as young children we carried this belief seed of “not good enough / bad / did something wrong” and usually another reprimanding “event” occurred that caused the belief seed to take root and grow. Each time we were reprimanded and made wrong for being who we were, the “I am bad” thought was rethought and eventually became a belief."

My worthless thoughts come from sex abuse (I was raped very young) and child abuse (mental, physical, spiritual). Neglect, abandonment, etc. Religion was used as control so I thought God hated me and though I was worthless, too.

What needs were not met?

Four Basic Emotional Needs

The need to love and be loved.
The need to belong and have a sense of purpose in life.
The need to have a positive self image.
The need for autonomy, that is a need for some personal, private space and control.

Some may add the need for security to this list of emotional needs. We believe that people who love and are loved, who have a sense of belonging and can see purpose to their lives, who believe in themselves, and who have a sense of control over their own lives are secure individuals.

· Accepted, acknowledged, admired, appreciated, approved of,
· Believed in,
· Capable, challenged, competent, confident forgiven,
· Forgiving, free, fulfilled,
· Heard, helped, helpful,
· Important, in control, included,
· listened to, loved,
· Needed, noticed,
· Powerful, private, productive / useful,
· Reassured, recognized, respected,
· Safe / secure, supported,
· Treated fairly, trusted,
· Understanding, understood,
· Valued,
· Worthy
 
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