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Bad person after suicide?

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Hello All,

This is my first post here. I felt like skipping the intro for now because I really just wanted to get opinions on a matter I am facing. My wife seems to think that I am a sociopath and am too crazy to be around because after my fathers suicide, that I found, I cleaned up the area that he did it at, including brains and blood. Does anyone else think that someone doing such a thing after a horrific act would make the person become crazy?
 
I think it could impact you psychologically yes. Would it make you crazy? Not necessarily. Could it cause ptsd, quite possibly.
Note that I didn't lump ptsd with 'crazy'
That's important.

Could that change your behavior? Possibly.
Does it make you a sociopath? Not unless you were a sociopath before.
(In otherwords, no)

ETA: I dislike the term 'crazy'
It's overused and isn't discriptive. I just means acting out of the norm really.
 
I cleaned up fluids where people died, though not suicides. Naw it doesn't make ya crazy, what discussions do you all have other than her thinking you're a sociopath?
 
I am a survivor of parent suicide too. I can tell you that from personal experience that it was most likely just how you coped. I got called horrible names by ex because I seemed seemingly unaffected by it at the time. If something is going to cause PTSD it is the suicide, not the act of cleaning it up afterwards. I am guessing you were in a sate of shock while you were doing it?

I didn't have anything to clean up, but I did display behaviors afterwards that scared people because I was in shock, and numb. I didn't cry, I just acted. Went to work took care of everything... dove into extreme efficiency mode.

So no, I think you were just suffering from shock, and adrenaline and all that other stuff that happens after trauma.
 
Sorry for the long response. Dealing with the same type of issues and many more.

desiderata310 - I did not think it did either and I do not feel like, or was ever diagnosed as, one before and surely don't see myself portraying behaviors that say otherwise. I just kind of wondered because my wife kept saying it and now it would seem as though it was just something she was saying to hurt me because now she has moved on to saying other horrible things.

The Albatross - Lately the conversations I have had with her haven't been to pleasant. They usually are just us fighting about random crap throughout the day. Money, trust, work and day to day things.

Fadeaway - I was sure of that as well. I did not have a time to grieve properly for my fathers death as I had never experienced something like this before and did not know what was acceptable. I mainly just fell into substance abuse and reckless behavior until I realized what I was doing and changed it all around. Now I know that I still have not mourned or accepted his death properly but with all the things going on I don't think I will even be able to get around to it.
 
The time that has passed between my first post and this one have given me enough understanding and experience to realize that while she may think this in her head, this is not true and simply one of the many ways she tries to hurt me. She has moved on from this and now says that I am not a good provider (despite being the main provider since our marriage up until 3 months ago when she had to start helping), that I am not a good husband (although she does admit that I love her more and do more in the relationship but that I am not living up to her standards), saying she thinks that I am a homosexual (due to a attempted sexual assault against me as a child that I recently confided in her about and the fact that I have become very emotional since our marriage and birth of our child) and saying a flurry of things about my family which were not only untrue but caused a major rift between me and her due to her acting on her thoughts rather than informing me.

I know that she has PTSD as well and she tells me that she tries to push me away to make sure she does not get hurt and also for me to prove that I love her and I have done so for a long time but I think this is my breaking point. Ever since she has started working and having to help with the bills because of the moves that she decided needed to happen she has been angry. Last night she got mad that I went to sleep (11 PM) because, as she said "You don't have work in the morning". According to her, I must meet with her for lunch or go pick up lunch by the time she gets home for lunch because I did not work during the day. I must go get her food when she gets home from work because she is too tired to go get it herself (She won't get herself food unless she is already out of the house). I must do the shopping because she is already home and comfortable. I have to clean up the house or else she says she will hire a maid (Which I will end up having to pay for). I can't go outside for a smoke break or else I am not giving her attention. I cannot go out to get my own food because "There is food in the fridge you can eat!" and if I do end up going out to get food it is because she has manipulated the situation to where if I wanted burger king and she wants McDonald's I have to go to mcdonalds only because it would take to long for me to go to burger king and McDonald's together and she is hungry now even though before I mentioned going to get something to eat she was perfectly fine ignoring me.

I have been sleeping on the couch ever since we moved into our newest place because she says I snore too loud for her to sleep. I can understand that and really had no problem with it except for the fact that she says I have to stay in the room with her until she goes to sleep because it makes her feel better and then when she goes to sleep I have to leave and go sleep on the couch or on the floor in our child's room because if I go to sleep in the room with her she will either yell at me to wake up or just hit me with a body part until I wake up and leave. When I try to go to sleep before she does then that is when the crap breaks out because she will instantly say I am ignoring her or not showing her attention but when we are in the room together she is just on her phone talking to her friend or looking up stuff on her phone and ignoring me.

I am sorry if this was a lot and off topic. I am just very frustrated. I am not sure what to do anymore. I am always being told how horrible I am, how horrible my experiences have made me and how I do not deserve her. It just kind of breaks you down when you think you are in love and you find out it is only one sided. I have been sitting down chain-smoking and crying all morning. I even messaged her these things but she won't respond (Which is probably for the best because the last time I cried and tried to express my feelings to her she made fun of me through text messages with her friend and said I was trying to manipulate her to not have fun with her friend). I am just kind of done right now. I don't really expect a reply addressing any of the above. I needed to clear my mind and get someone elses perspective.
 
I cleaned up what was left after they took my brother's body away after he killed himself. I didn't find his body. In fact, his body was there for a few days before anyone found him. My husband was with me when I did it. He had to go stand out on the porch because it made him have a panic attack. He kept saying he was afraid of me for being able to do it. But see, I knew that if someone else did it, it would be a gory story that they would tell their friends. I'm sure it was already for whoever took his body away. No one else loved my brother as much as I did, so it was my duty to do that. I'm glad I did. I wish I could have done more for him before and after his death. Most people can't understand a thing like that, and you can't expect them to.

It sounds like you and your wife are just having a rough spot. She's nagging you about little things that don't matter. I've had times like that with my husband and we've even divorced before because we couldn't get it together. But we remarried because we realized we were both acting like a couple of a**h*les. The non-PTSD partner can't understand the trauma, they can just be supportive, and the PTSD partner has to make sure not to be too much of a jerk to non-PTSD person. Like, try to do little nice things for her, even if you don't feel anything inside. Those little nice things build up and things become comfortable again.

Something my husband I always do is say please and thank you to each other and never expect each other to do chores. I always do the laundry and he knows that. But when I do his clothes he always acts surprised and grateful, which is nice. He also knows that I watch my weight, but I have a weakness for chocolate. So he makes sure to bring me home chocolate every day, since I won't do it myself. Little things like that make a big difference.

I would try to do something instead of sitting around smoking and crying. Some people say crying is cathartic. I don't think it is. I always feel worse after I cry. Why don't you try taking a walk instead? Or mow your lawn? Something where you're physically moving around doing something. I know that helps me, but I have heard that it helps men even more because ya'll need to feel like you're in action. Just a thought anyway.
 
I disagree that this is just a rough spot.

She's abusing you.

She's going out of her way to hurt you.

She's manipulating you through other people.

She's dealing low blows.

Calling you homosexual?

Saying you're a sociopath?

This isn't just "rough spot" fighting.

This is a picture of her true personality! (Not a pretty picture, is it?)
 
EveHarrington - You are on the money and that was proven. We just had a huge blowout over me questioning the way she was treating me in public and instead of apologizing she went even deeper into the insult well and pulled out what I am sure she was wanting to say all along. She picked the one topic she knew would hit me the hardest and used it. I must say that I didn't react well and just basically went on a tirade of name calling to try to hit a nerve and I seemed to have accomplished that because now she is asking for a divorce. I cannot say I am shocked. I knew this was coming. I couldn't keep taking all of this abuse and just going back to being her lap dog this time. I am not sure if this talk of divorce will last long as usually she will end up just trying to make me agree to do huge things and buy stuff and then use that later down the line if I fail to deliver. I am still wanting this to work but I see no way for it to, especially after all of the things said. I know I cut bone but to me I feel like she severed a body part.

Justmehere - We are not in therapy. I tried on my own and explained my past as well as my relationship and my therapist told me that this was unhealthy but I was not willing to listen at that time.

Gamera3000 - I am sorry for your loss. I do not think that cleaning changed me either but I know it did affect me very much. One thing I must note is that I do not think this is a rough spot. Rough spots usually don't last several years to me. The thing I think that was not made clear is that I am the one that always does the nice little things. I have had to talk with her several times as even just asking me to do something instead of telling me or saying please and thank you are rare to hear from her. I cook, I clean, I do laundry, I take out trash/recycling, go get groceries, go get carry out or fast food, put gas in the cars, clean the cars, take care of the pets, give massages, do dishes, put groceries away, drop off/pickup the kid from school, drive to meet for lunch and so on. To be completely honest, I do not think that there is much else I can do without just throwing caution to the wind and buying a new car or a vacation or something and at this point that is surely not going to happen. The only time she will show appreciation for any of these things is if I look visibly upset after waiting a long enough period of time and not hearing a thank you for it. Small things I don't care about but when I am woken up at 11:30 PM and told (not asked) to get pick up food from a place that closes in 30 minutes and then not thanked or even acknowleged or even talk to after, I tend to get a bit snippy.

I was recently told that I should be happy to do these things because she is beautiful and if I wanted someone to do those things that I should have married an ugly or fat women. When she was asked to help out with the bills she told me if she has to pay bills then why is she even with me. I don't think there is anything that can fix that. I usually just walk away and smoke or go work out but lately even those things have been a point of conflict. When I go workout she finds ways to upset me (usually by saying I can't go because she thinks I am having an affair). Usually after hearing that I just stay home to avoid fighting because even though I know she doesn't really think that, she will play it out until the morning time just to get me to follow her wishes.
 
Hi Random Dude,

I'm so sorry to hear about your experience and your loss. I can't imagine what that must have been like.

You've been telling us about the way your wife acts and responds to you, but how do you feel (and act?) (Note, in no way am I trying to say that what you said about your wife isn't true or valid!) It seems like you are very busy with her responses more than your own. Do you recognise any of that in what's happening?

I personally am learning slowly how to communicate about what people can expect of me and how I'm feeling. It's tough, but it means that there's less chance of them doing something I can't handle or saying things, out of frustration or otherwise, that are hurtful. It doesn't always work but at least I know that I've done my part in explaining what's going on.

You're not in control of your wife's behaviour, all you can do is explain how you feel and how her actions and words impact you. If you find that she's unwilling or unable to hear it, I would suggest giving counselling another go, or you are welcome to tell us on here.

Sending you strength!
 
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