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Communicating Without Dramatizing?

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please, do not leave me alone in cumbersome rambling! :bookworm:

LMAO :laugh:... It was one of those : My brain quit working 3 paragraphs ago & I cant even read what I wrote / moving paragraphs around 9 times is sooooo not making this clearer! :confused::wtf::banghead: Okay! Time to step away for a bit!

This is a really good topic and I'm glad you brought it up. I'm just starting to see that my T has been using CBT all along, he just never called it by name. (He seems to prefer thinking of it as "being accurate".)
Yep! Yep!
 
and the equine T suggested we go check on them, just to "make sure they're happy." I couldn't process that at all--it didn't make sense. If
I work with horses for a living. Your interpretation makes more sense to me than the T's. LOL

Now that I've read this response, I'm remembering another of your posts. My family was different than yours in the specifics, but similar in some ways too. Some of this, is stuff you might accurately say that you don't get "yet", because you very well might further on down this road. If you are raised to believe you are only important for what you can do and to believe that allowing others to "feel" however it is they want to feel, it's hard to get past that and find a new job description. It takes time. Just because it's hard to do now doesn't mean it will be equally hard to do always. Eventually, I think you'll find it easier to be comfortable with the idea that people don't absolutely HAVE to be "fixed" and that they really ARE responsible for their own feelings. (It's a relief to let go of that, even though it's not uncomplicated.)

What about your kids? What makes them valuable or worthwhile? Do they have to prove their worth, or is it just enough that they're here?
 
Some of this, is stuff you might accurately say that you don't get "yet", because you very well might further on down this road. If you are raised to believe you are only important for what you can do and to believe that allowing others to "feel" however it is they want to feel, it's hard to get past that and find a new job description. It takes time. Just because it's hard to do now doesn't mean it will be equally hard to do always.

Several years ago when my kids first started watching Thomas the Train, it really irked me when Thomas would spout off about how he wanted to be a "useful engine." I knew that a person's value shouldn't be defined by what they do, and I felt sorry for Thomas that he thought he was only valuable when he was being useful. So...I've understood this concept for a very long time, and tried to implement it in relationships and in my own sense of myself. But...I suck at it.

In trying to find the "real me" under all these layers of masks...my radical honesty-style confession...is that I really do only see myself as being valuable to the extent that I give someone else something they want or need, and I have a very difficult time conceiving of what it would look like to connect instead of serve or be served. Maybe that's just my personality type? Or Asperger's? Or fallout from trauma history/dysfunctional family patterns? I have no clue. But I do know that I've tried to live the other way for the past couple of decades, and just never been able to figure it out.

they really ARE responsible for their own feelings. (It's a relief to let go of that, even though it's not uncomplicated.)

Yes, very true. As I was leaving after a work-related meeting with my mom the other day, I felt quite free from her guilt-tripping. When I arrived that morning, I knew immediately she was grumpy, and had a suspicion as to why (which had nothing to do with me). But I also knew she would most likely blame her mood on me as the meeting progressed, no matter how nice I was. And that's exactly what happened, and I just watched it play out without taking it into my own space. Then I walked out of there, feeling so light, realizing I didn't have to take responsibility for managing her emotions.

What about your kids? What makes them valuable or worthwhile? Do they have to prove their worth, or is it just enough that they're here

Yes, I've thought about this aspect of it for many, many years, and even before we started having kids. I can see their value simply by their existence. They don't have to prove anything, and I've even learned how to separate my sense of myself from their behavior so that I can be there for them instead of feeling like my success as a mother is determined by their success.

My mom feels threatened in her sense of herself any time one of us (my sisters or me) does something that she feels might reflect poorly on her (caused a humongous drama a couple of years ago when one of my sisters moved in with her boyfriend instead of getting married first). I had the revelation about a year ago that my kids make their own choices, both good and bad, and I can only be there for them to the extent that their freedom doesn't threaten my sense of who I am.

So by individualizing myself from them, I can be present to them when they mess up. Their mistakes don't define who I am as their mother. Actually, their mistakes are great learning opportunities for both of us, as I learn to support them through their learning process, and as they progress on their respective journeys of personal growth.

But I don't see myself that way. In my mind, people want me at church because they want another Butt in the Seat (I call them BITS). My family contributes 6 BITS, so that justifies my presence there (and changing churches isn't the solution here--I've tried many different churches in the past 15 years, several of those for a year or longer, and it's never been different for me...the common denominator is me...church hopping won't solve this problem). Small group...where quantity isn't really the issue...I contribute by helping with the music. Family relationships...I'm valued for how much I help other people feel good about themselves. No one ever really wants to know me, the real me, the one that somehow manages to push people away the more I reach out to them. People only enjoy me to the extent that I don't reveal what's inside.

And maybe that's the way it's supposed to be. Maybe I'm going about this all wrong. Maybe the idea is to keep my junk contained within...maybe I've just been sharing too much in general. Maybe I just need to learn to draw the line a little farther out so that people see less of the inside. That doesn't feel authentic, but maybe that's the expectation anyway.

I wrote my T an email last night about something I'm struggling with in our relationship (I feel like my T doesn't like me very much and wants to shift me over to someone else, so I'm trying to express the fear I feel while still giving him the freedom to make whatever decision he thinks is best). I agonized over the thing, trying to make sure I genuinely made space for him to make his own decision, while also expressing that I still very much would prefer to work with him.

It's really hard to see all of this any differently right now anyway. My T still hasn't emailed back from when I asked for clarification on his intent. It's been 2 1/2 days. The longer it takes for him to respond, the more I suspect he plans to send me off to someone else. And I'm sure he has good reasons for it. I know cognitively that he wants to do what's best all the way around. It just really sucks right now, to have worked for 6 months building trust in him, and then be turned away.

He said he would never use silence to communicate with me, but I feel like that's exactly what he's doing. Maybe there's a good explanation...but that doesn't prevent all the questions and fear and hurt feelings running through me right now. I'm really angry at myself for letting myself trust anyone, for letting myself care again what someone thought of me. What the hell was I thinking??
 
Update: So...had my appt yesterday with the T, and the equine T (the one I felt the T was trying to shift me over to), and the horse specialist. Yes, he did get my email. Yes, he realized what I was asking. But...I don't think he realized how stressed out I got over it after I sent it to him. I was pretty calm when I first emailed him, and handled it well for about 2 days. Then I slowly became more and more convinced that his non-response meant he was waiting to break the news to me in person. Which...he did want to talk about it in person, but not with the purpose of dumping me.

He asked if it was okay to talk about the email with everyone there, which caught me off guard. I assumed he had shown it to them already. Then he said he had waited on purpose before responding to me, and I think my reaction caught him off guard. I don't think he had any clue how upset I had been. I told him I figured he had been waiting on purpose, and I think some of the fear showed up in my response.

We talked about how I had been "testing" him the past several months, not in a bad way, but just...calculated moves...reveal a little, see how he handles it, and so on. He recognized this, had pointed it out, and wasn't bothered by it. It made sense to him. This time, it felt like to me, I was taking a bigger chance by voicing my real concerns to him, but I was also looking for reassurance that he planned to stick this out and wasn't looking for a way to get rid of me. Like...I was giving him an out if that's what he wanted, but I couldn't trust him until I knew he intended to stick with it. And then I didn't get a response for several days, and when I got there yesterday, I was convinced that this wasn't going to end well. I had already braced myself, knowing that I wanted him to be free to make his own decision, without guilt trips or manipulative moves from me, but that also I was deeply hurt to be losing someone I had tried to trust and really needed his help. I wasn't sure if I would be able to continue with the equine T or if I just needed to quit for a while and start over with someone completely new down the road.

Turns out, he has no "exit plan" at all except to help me along in the process to the point where I'm ready to leave. He definitely doesn't think this should go on indefinitely, and I can't afford that anyway, so we both agree that it should have an ending at some point. But right now, his only concern is in trying to figure out what is best for me therapeutically...what will help move things along as effectively as possible.

We spent the whole time...and even went way over...just talking instead of working with the horses at all. There was something about this conversation that I can't identify as ever having experienced before. I had already resigned myself to losing him, so it seemed I couldn't do much more damage. So...I just kind of...said what I needed to say. And I wasn't responsible for anyone else's emotions there. I wasn't mean, but I was more honest and forthcoming than usual. And I think they all appreciated that...they all handled it very well. Like...I don't even know how to describe it. My "job" in the conversation was to express "me". Not oversee the whole conversation, not ensure everyone's safety, not make sure everyone walked away from it feeling good (all of those were my "jobs" in conversations growing up). In that sense, anyway, it was peaceful. And even though we talked about hard stuff, it wasn't as traumatizing or overwhelming. I didn't have to be in control, you know?

So...I still don't know what to think of it all. It's like, my feelings about it all haven't even surfaced yet. I keep going over parts of the conversation, and I'm almost scared to start feeling anything about it. I haven't even felt relieved yet...just...not-panicked, which I guess is progress in itself. Maybe, if I can turn this into a reduction of emotional dependency, and use it as a model for how to approach sessions with resolve but without the emotional...I don't know...begging.......just trying to figure this all out. Anyway, I'm babbling, sorry...trying to make sense of it all.

There's so much more that was said, and I haven't engaged emotionally with any of it. Except for this baby bird. We were at the horse barn, and this baby bird fell out of its nest about 20 feet away from where we were. But it was too tiny to fly or barely even to walk, and the nest was way too high for us to put it back in there. And then the cat got it. And last night I kept thinking about all its little, inner parts sitting in that cat's digestive tract. And I was sad for the baby bird. How crazy is that? To have all this other stuff going on, and I keep thinking about that little bird? I know this stuff happens all the time in nature...that's how the food chain works. But...it was sad.
 
I can relate to this. I find I have different "modes" ofer operating. when I am "working" mode I ignore emotional things and prefer to "manage" my language as I understand that it has an effect on my well being and triggers etc..
When I am trying to "get stuff out" and process trauma events sometimes I write stuff then destroy it as its really dramatic and full of rage and hateful stuff about my feelings about whqat happened and why epople did things they did. I find that If I never let that stuff out, then I am completely alone with it, but who to share thaqt with? as language has an effect on the current and the people I love today. so as lonely as it can feel... I keep the "crap" for counsellors and sometimes just write it out and destroy it after... out bettter than in... then I always make sure I Soothe and self calm after writing to ensurfe it doesn't spill over into my world today.

I am a grandmother today and I can't have that toxic shit in my present..
anyhoo

hope that helps... yes drama is appropriate when processing dramatic events from the past... but contain it... so that it doesn't wreck your life today
 
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